Comparison of Divisions: Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat — 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 with Division No. 210 on 15 Oct 2007 at 19:15

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

Vote (b) (unedited): Orders of the Day — Schedule 1 — The Legal Services Board - 15 Oct 2007 at 19:15 - Division No. 210

Question accordingly negatived.

Amendment made: No. 102, in page 120, line 11, at end insert-

'( ) Before appointing an ordinary member, the Lord Chancellor must consult the Lord Chief Justice.'.- [Mr. Wills.]

Amendment proposed: No. 75, in page 120, line 17, leave out 'first'.- [Mr. Kevan Jones.]

Question put, That the amendment be made:-

The House divided: Ayes 304, Noes 129.

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their inverted vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
James ArbuthnotNorth East HampshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Tony BaldryBanburyConaye absent
Gregory BarkerBexhill and BattleCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter BottomleyWorthing WestCon (front bench)aye absent
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)aye absent
Bill CashStoneCon (front bench)aye absent
Greg ClarkTunbridge WellsCon (front bench)aye absent
Patrick CormackSouth StaffordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen CrabbPreseli PembrokeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
David CurrySkipton and RiponCon (front bench)aye absent
David DaviesMonmouthCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)aye absent
Alan DuncanRutland and MeltonCon (front bench)aye absent
Philip DunneLudlowCon (front bench)aye absent
Tobias EllwoodBournemouth EastCon (front bench)aye absent
Liam FoxWoodspringCon (front bench)aye absent
Roger GaleNorth ThanetCon (front bench)aye absent
David GaukeSouth West HertfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
John GummerSuffolk CoastalConaye absent
William HagueRichmond (Yorks)Con (front bench)aye absent
Charles HendryWealdenCon (front bench)aye absent
Adam HollowayGraveshamCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael HowardFolkestone and HytheConaye absent
Gerald HowarthAldershotCon (front bench)aye absent
John HowellHenleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Robert KeySalisburyCon (front bench)aye absent
Edward LeighGainsboroughCon (front bench)aye absent
Oliver LetwinWest DorsetCon (front bench)aye absent
Julian LewisNew Forest EastCon (front bench)aye absent
Tim LoughtonEast Worthing and ShorehamCon (front bench)aye absent
Anne MainSt AlbansCon (front bench)aye absent
Theresa MayMaidenheadCon (front bench)aye absent
Patrick MercerNewarkCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen O'BrienEddisburyCon (front bench)aye absent
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard OttawayCroydon SouthCon (front bench)aye absent
Mike PenningHemel HempsteadCon (front bench)aye absent
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaConaye absent
Grant ShappsWelwyn HatfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard ShepherdAldridge-BrownhillsCon (front bench)aye absent
Nicholas SoamesMid SussexCon (front bench)aye absent
Caroline SpelmanMeridenCon (front bench)aye absent
Anthony SteenTotnesCon (front bench)aye absent
Gary StreeterSouth West DevonCon (front bench)aye absent
Graham StuartBeverley and HoldernessCon (front bench)aye absent
Ian TaylorEsher and WaltonConaye absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichCon (front bench)aye absent
David TredinnickBosworthConaye absent
Ed VaizeyWantageCon (front bench)aye absent
Nicholas WintertonMacclesfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
George YoungNorth West HampshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)absent no
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)absent no
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)absent no
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)absent no
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)absent no
Derek ConwayOld Bexley and Sidcupwhilst Con (front bench)absent no
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConabsent no
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)absent no
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)absent no
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)absent no
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)absent no
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)absent no
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Con (front bench)absent no
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)absent no
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)aye absent
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)aye absent
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)aye absent
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPaye absent
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentaye aye
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)aye aye
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye absent
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye aye
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye aye
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye aye
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye aye
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye aye
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye aye
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye aye
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye aye
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye aye
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye aye
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye aye
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye absent
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye absent
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)aye absent
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye absent
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye absent
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye absent
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye absent
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye absent
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabaye absent
Nick AingerCarmarthen West and South PembrokeshireLab (minister)no absent
Bob AinsworthCoventry North EastLab (minister)no absent
David AndersonBlaydonLab (minister)no absent
Margaret BeckettDerby SouthLab (minister)no absent
Stuart BellMiddlesbroughLab (minister)no absent
Joe BentonBootleLab (minister)no absent
Roberta Blackman-WoodsCity of DurhamLab (minister)no absent
Hazel BlearsSalfordLab (minister)no absent
David BorrowSouth RibbleLab (minister)no absent
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)no absent
Des BrowneKilmarnock and LoudounLabno absent
Michael ConnartyLinlithgow and East FalkirkLab (minister)no absent
Jim CousinsNewcastle upon Tyne CentralLab (minister)no absent
David CrausbyBolton North EastLab (minister)no absent
Mary CreaghWakefieldLab (minister)no absent
Ann CryerKeighleyLab (minister)no absent
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)no absent
Janet DeanBurtonLab (minister)no absent
Barry GardinerBrent NorthLabno absent
Linda GilroyPlymouth, SuttonLab (minister)no absent
Paul GogginsWythenshawe and Sale EastLab (minister)no absent
Peter HainNeathLabno absent
Tom HarrisGlasgow SouthLabno absent
Dai HavardMerthyr Tydfil and RhymneyLab (minister)no absent
John HealeyWentworthLab (minister)no absent
Stephen HepburnJarrowLab (minister)no absent
Kim HowellsPontypriddLabno absent
John HuttonBarrow and FurnessLab (minister)no absent
Brian JenkinsTamworthLab (minister)no absent
Jane KennedyLiverpool, WavertreeLab (minister)no absent
David LammyTottenhamLab (minister)no absent
David LepperBrighton, PavilionLab (minister)no absent
Rob MarrisWolverhampton South WestLabno absent
Alan MilburnDarlingtonLabno absent
Margaret MoranLuton SouthLab (minister)no absent
Elliot MorleyScunthorpeLabno absent
Meg MunnSheffield, HeeleyLabno absent
Denis MurphyWansbeckLab (minister)no absent
Jim MurphyEast RenfrewshireLab (minister)no absent
Ian PearsonDudley SouthLab (minister)no absent
Gwyn ProsserDoverLab (minister)no absent
Ken PurchaseWolverhampton North EastLab (minister)no absent
Geoffrey RobinsonCoventry North WestLabno absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLab (minister)no absent
Barry SheermanHuddersfieldLab (minister)no absent
John SmithVale of GlamorganLab (minister)no absent
Howard StoateDartfordLab (minister)no absent
Gerry SutcliffeBradford SouthLab (minister)no absent
Mark TamiAlyn and DeesideLab (minister)no absent
Stephen TimmsEast HamLab (minister)no absent
Mark ToddSouth DerbyshireLab (minister)no absent
Kitty UssherBurnleyLab (minister)no absent
Claire WardWatfordLab (minister)tellno absent
Malcolm WicksCroydon NorthLabno absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)both aye
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)absent aye
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)absent aye
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)absent aye
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)absent aye
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)absent aye
Colin BurgonElmetLababsent aye
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLababsent aye
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLababsent aye
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLababsent aye
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)absent aye
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)absent aye
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)absent aye
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Jon CruddasDagenhamLababsent aye
Claire Curtis-ThomasCrosbyLababsent aye
Gwyneth DunwoodyCrewe and NantwichLababsent aye
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)absent aye
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLababsent aye
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)absent aye
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)absent aye
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)absent aye
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)absent aye
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)absent aye
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)absent aye
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)absent aye
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)absent aye
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLababsent aye
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLababsent aye
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Martin LintonBatterseaLababsent aye
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLababsent aye
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)absent aye
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)absent aye
David MarshallGlasgow EastLababsent aye
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLababsent aye
Anne McGuireStirlingLababsent aye
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLababsent aye
Alan MealeMansfieldLababsent aye
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Kali MountfordColne ValleyLab (minister)absent aye
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)absent aye
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)absent aye
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLababsent aye
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)absent aye
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)absent aye
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)absent aye
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)absent aye
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)absent aye
Betty WilliamsConwyLababsent aye
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)absent aye
Norman BakerLewesLDem (front bench)aye aye
John BarrettEdinburgh WestLDem (front bench)aye aye
Alan BeithBerwick-upon-TweedLDem (front bench)aye aye
Colin BreedSouth East CornwallLDem (front bench)aye aye
Annette BrookeMid Dorset and North PooleLDem (front bench)aye aye
Jeremy BrowneTauntonLDem (front bench)aye aye
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)aye aye
Paul BurstowSutton and CheamLDem (front bench)aye aye
Lorely BurtSolihullLDem (front bench)aye aye
Lynne FeatherstoneHornsey and Wood GreenLDem (front bench)aye aye
Don FosterBathLDem (front bench)aye aye
Andrew GeorgeSt IvesLDem (front bench)aye aye
Julia GoldsworthyFalmouth and CamborneLDem (front bench)aye aye
Evan HarrisOxford West and AbingdonLDem (front bench)aye aye
Nick HarveyNorth DevonLDem (front bench)aye aye
David HeathSomerton and FromeLDem (front bench)aye aye
John HemmingBirmingham, YardleyLDem (front bench)aye aye
Paul HolmesChesterfieldLDem (front bench)aye aye
Martin HorwoodCheltenhamLDem (front bench)aye aye
David HowarthCambridgeLDem (front bench)aye aye
Christopher HuhneEastleighLDem (front bench)aye aye
Mark HunterCheadleLDem (front bench)aye aye
Norman LambNorth NorfolkLDem (front bench)aye aye
John LeechManchester, WithingtonLDem (front bench)aye aye
Michael MooreBerwickshire, Roxburgh and SelkirkLDem (front bench)aye aye
Greg MulhollandLeeds North WestLDem (front bench)aye aye
John PughSouthportLDem (front bench)aye aye
Adrian SandersTorbayLDem (front bench)aye aye
Robert SmithWest Aberdeenshire and KincardineLDem (front bench)aye aye
Andrew StunellHazel GroveLDem (front bench)aye aye
Sarah TeatherBrent EastLDem (front bench)aye aye
John ThursoCaithness, Sutherland and Easter RossLDem (front bench)aye aye
Steve WebbNorthavonLDem (front bench)aye aye
Mark WilliamsCeredigionLDem (front bench)aye aye
Phil WillisHarrogate and KnaresboroughLDem (front bench)aye aye
Jennifer WillottCardiff CentralLDem (front bench)aye aye
Danny AlexanderInverness, Nairn, Badenoch and StrathspeyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Tom BrakeCarshalton and WallingtonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Vincent CableTwickenhamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Edward DaveyKingston and SurbitonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Tim FarronWestmorland and LonsdaleLDem (front bench)aye absent
Simon HughesNorth Southwark and BermondseyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Susan KramerRichmond ParkLDemaye absent
David LawsYeovilLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alan ReidArgyll and ButeLDem (front bench)tellaye absent
Willie RennieDunfermline and West FifeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Dan RogersonNorth CornwallLDem (front bench)tellaye absent
Bob RussellColchesterLDem (front bench)aye absent
Matthew TaylorTruro and St AustellLDemaye absent
Stephen WilliamsBristol WestLDem (front bench)aye absent
Richard Younger-RossTeignbridgeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Elfyn LlwydMeirionnydd Nant ConwyPC (front bench)aye aye
Hywel WilliamsCaernarfonPC (front bench)aye aye
Adam PriceCarmarthen East and DinefwrPC (front bench)aye absent
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)aye absent
John MasonGlasgow EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)aye absent
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)aye absent
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)aye absent
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)aye absent

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 57 voted the same way, with 311 voting in opposite ways. There were 63 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 215 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up on opposite sides. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
311
(311 + 57 + 0.2x215)
=
311
411
= 0.757 = 75.7 %.


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