Comparison of Divisions: Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat — 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 with Division No. 213 on 22 Oct 2007 at 17:15

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

Vote (b) (unedited): Orders of the Day — New Clause 1 — Compliance with orders: authorised monitors - 22 Oct 2007 at 17:15 - Division No. 213

I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

The House having divided: Ayes 277, Noes 204.

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their inverted vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Sir David AmessSouthend WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter AtkinsonHexhamCon (front bench)aye absent
Tony BaldryBanburyConaye absent
John BaronBillericayCon (front bench)aye absent
John BercowBuckinghamwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
Geoffrey Clifton-BrownCotswoldCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)aye absent
Nadine DorriesMid BedfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark FrancoisRayleighCon (front bench)aye absent
Dame Cheryl GillanChesham and AmershamCon (front bench)aye absent
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)aye absent
John GummerSuffolk CoastalConaye absent
Philip HammondRunnymede and WeybridgeCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen HammondWimbledonCon (front bench)aye absent
Douglas HoggSleaford and North HykehamCon (front bench)aye absent
Adam HollowayGraveshamCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael HowardFolkestone and HytheConaye absent
John HowellHenleyCon (front bench)aye absent
David JonesClwyd WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Greg KnightEast YorkshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Ian Liddell-GraingerBridgwaterCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter LilleyHitchin and HarpendenConaye absent
Tim LoughtonEast Worthing and ShorehamCon (front bench)aye absent
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard OttawayCroydon SouthCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark PritchardThe WrekinCon (front bench)aye absent
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaConaye absent
Andrew RobathanBlabyCon (front bench)aye absent
Laurence RobertsonTewkesburyCon (front bench)aye absent
Nicholas SoamesMid SussexCon (front bench)aye absent
Caroline SpelmanMeridenCon (front bench)aye absent
Hugo SwireEast DevonConaye absent
Ian TaylorEsher and WaltonConaye absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichCon (front bench)aye absent
David TredinnickBosworthConaye absent
Peter ViggersGosportCon (front bench)aye absent
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)absent no
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)absent no
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)absent no
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)absent no
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConabsent no
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)absent no
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)absent no
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)absent no
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)absent no
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)absent no
Boris JohnsonHenleyCon (front bench)absent no
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)absent no
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)absent no
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)absent no
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)absent no
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent no
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)absent no
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Con (front bench)absent no
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)absent no
Robert WalterNorth DorsetConabsent no
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)absent no
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)aye absent
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)aye absent
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)aye absent
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPaye absent
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentaye aye
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)aye aye
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye absent
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye aye
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye aye
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye aye
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye aye
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)aye aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye aye
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye aye
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye aye
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye aye
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye aye
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye aye
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye aye
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye absent
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye absent
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye absent
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye absent
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye absent
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye absent
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye absent
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabaye absent
Douglas AlexanderPaisley and Renfrewshire SouthLab (minister)no absent
Hilary ArmstrongNorth West DurhamLabno absent
Charlotte AtkinsStaffordshire MoorlandsLab (minister)no absent
Joe BentonBootleLab (minister)no absent
David BlunkettSheffield, BrightsideLabno absent
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)no absent
Lyn BrownWest HamLabno absent
Chris BryantRhonddaLab (minister)no absent
David CairnsInverclydeLabno absent
David ChaytorBury NorthLab (minister)no absent
Paul ClarkGillinghamLab (minister)no absent
Ann ClwydCynon ValleyLab (minister)no absent
Michael ConnartyLinlithgow and East FalkirkLab (minister)no absent
Jim CousinsNewcastle upon Tyne CentralLab (minister)no absent
Mary CreaghWakefieldLab (minister)no absent
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)no absent
Ian DavidsonGlasgow South WestLab (minister)no absent
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)no absent
Parmjit DhandaGloucesterLabno absent
Natascha EngelNorth East DerbyshireLabno absent
Jim FitzpatrickPoplar and Canning TownLab (minister)no absent
Hywel FrancisAberavonLab (minister)no absent
Paul GogginsWythenshawe and Sale EastLab (minister)no absent
Nia GriffithLlanelliLab (minister)no absent
John GroganSelbyLab (minister)no absent
Peter HainNeathLabno absent
Harriet HarmanCamberwell and PeckhamLab (minister)no absent
Patricia HewittLeicester WestLabno absent
Kim HowellsPontypriddLabno absent
Beverley HughesStretford and UrmstonLab (minister)no absent
Adam IngramEast Kilbride, Strathaven and LesmahagowLabno absent
Tessa JowellDulwich and West NorwoodLab (minister)no absent
Mark LazarowiczEdinburgh North and LeithLab (minister)no absent
Steve McCabeBirmingham, Hall GreenLab (minister)no absent
Madeleine MoonBridgendLab (minister)no absent
Elliot MorleyScunthorpeLabno absent
Chris MullinSunderland SouthLab (minister)no absent
Meg MunnSheffield, HeeleyLabno absent
Dan NorrisWansdykeLab (minister)no absent
Albert OwenYnys MônLab (minister)no absent
Ian PearsonDudley SouthLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLab (minister)no absent
Joan RuddockLewisham, DeptfordLab (minister)no absent
Jonathan R ShawChatham and AylesfordLab (minister)no absent
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLab (minister)no absent
Howard StoateDartfordLab (minister)no absent
Desmond TurnerBrighton, KemptownLab (minister)no absent
Phil WoolasOldham East and SaddleworthLab (minister)no absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)both aye
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)absent aye
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)absent aye
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)absent aye
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Colin BurgonElmetLababsent aye
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLababsent aye
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLababsent aye
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)absent aye
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)absent aye
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)absent aye
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Claire Curtis-ThomasCrosbyLababsent aye
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)absent aye
Gwyneth DunwoodyCrewe and NantwichLababsent aye
Bill EtheringtonSunderland NorthLababsent aye
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)absent aye
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)absent aye
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLababsent aye
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)absent aye
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)absent aye
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)absent aye
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)absent aye
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)absent aye
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)absent aye
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)absent aye
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)absent aye
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)absent aye
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)absent aye
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)absent aye
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLababsent aye
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLababsent aye
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Martin LintonBatterseaLababsent aye
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLababsent aye
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)absent aye
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLababsent aye
Anne McGuireStirlingLababsent aye
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)absent aye
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)absent aye
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)absent aye
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)absent aye
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)absent aye
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)absent aye
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)absent aye
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)absent aye
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)absent aye
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLababsent aye
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)absent aye
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)absent aye
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)absent aye
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)absent aye
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLababsent aye
Betty WilliamsConwyLababsent aye
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)absent aye
Annette BrookeMid Dorset and North PooleLDem (front bench)aye absent
John PughSouthportLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alan ReidArgyll and ButeLDem (front bench)tellaye absent
Matthew TaylorTruro and St AustellLDemaye absent
Mark WilliamsCeredigionLDem (front bench)aye absent
Stephen WilliamsBristol WestLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)absent no
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)absent no
Mark OatenWinchesterLDem (front bench)absent no
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)absent no
Hywel WilliamsCaernarfonPC (front bench)aye absent
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)aye absent
John MasonGlasgow EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)aye absent
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)aye absent
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)aye absent
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)aye absent

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 21 voted the same way, with 381 voting in opposite ways. There were 50 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 194 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up on opposite sides. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
381
(381 + 21 + 0.2x194)
=
381
440.8
= 0.864 = 86.4 %.


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