Comparison of Divisions: Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat — 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 with Division No. 221 on 29 Oct 2007 at 16:45

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Vote (a) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

Vote (b) (unedited): Orders of the Day — Children - 29 Oct 2007 at 16:45 - Division No. 221

I beg to move, That this House agrees with the Lords in the said amendment.

I beg to move amendment (a) to the Lords amendment, in line 10, at end insert-

'(c) record in documentation when staff and the Agency depart from the code

The House having divided: Ayes 182, Noes 268.

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Sir David AmessSouthend WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter BottomleyWorthing WestCon (front bench)aye absent
James BrokenshireHornchurchCon (front bench)aye absent
Bill CashStoneCon (front bench)aye absent
Patrick CormackSouth StaffordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Geoffrey CoxTorridge and West DevonCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen CrabbPreseli PembrokeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
David CurrySkipton and RiponCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)aye absent
James DuddridgeRochford and Southend EastCon (front bench)aye absent
David EvennettBexleyheath and CrayfordCon (front bench)aye absent
Christopher FraserSouth West NorfolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Edward GarnierHarboroughCon (front bench)aye absent
Nick GibbBognor Regis and LittlehamptonCon (front bench)aye absent
Dame Cheryl GillanChesham and AmershamCon (front bench)aye absent
Robert GoodwillScarborough and WhitbyCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark HarperForest of DeanCon (front bench)aye absent
Nick HerbertArundel and South DownsCon (front bench)aye absent
Douglas HoggSleaford and North HykehamCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael HowardFolkestone and HytheConaye absent
John HowellHenleyCon (front bench)aye absent
David JonesClwyd WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Robert KeySalisburyCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew LansleySouth CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Ian Liddell-GraingerBridgwaterCon (front bench)aye absent
Tim LoughtonEast Worthing and ShorehamCon (front bench)aye absent
Anne McIntoshVale of YorkCon (front bench)aye absent
Maria MillerBasingstokeCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard OttawayCroydon SouthCon (front bench)aye absent
Eric PicklesBrentwood and OngarCon (front bench)aye absent
John RandallUxbridgeCon (front bench)aye absent
Nicholas SoamesMid SussexCon (front bench)aye absent
Caroline SpelmanMeridenCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael SpicerWest WorcestershireCon (front bench)aye absent
Gary StreeterSouth West DevonCon (front bench)aye absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichCon (front bench)aye absent
Shailesh VaraNorth West CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Ben WallaceLancaster and WyreCon (front bench)aye absent
John WhittingdaleMaldon and East ChelmsfordCon (front bench)aye absent
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConaye absent
Bill WigginLeominsterCon (front bench)aye absent
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)absent aye
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)absent aye
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)absent aye
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)absent aye
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConabsent aye
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)absent aye
John GreenwayRyedaleConabsent aye
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)absent aye
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)absent aye
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)absent aye
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)absent aye
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)absent aye
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)absent aye
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)aye absent
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)aye absent
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)aye absent
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPaye absent
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentaye no
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)aye no
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye absent
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye no
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye no
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye no
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye no
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye no
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye no
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)aye no
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye no
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye no
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye no
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye no
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye no
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye no
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye no
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye no
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye no
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye absent
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye absent
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye absent
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye absent
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye absent
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye absent
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye absent
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye absent
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabaye absent
Bob AinsworthCoventry North EastLab (minister)no absent
Janet AndersonRossendale and DarwenLab (minister)no absent
Hugh BayleyCity of YorkLab (minister)no absent
Stuart BellMiddlesbroughLab (minister)no absent
Roberta Blackman-WoodsCity of DurhamLab (minister)no absent
Kevin BrennanCardiff WestLab (minister)no absent
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)no absent
Des BrowneKilmarnock and LoudounLabno absent
David ChaytorBury NorthLab (minister)no absent
Paul ClarkGillinghamLab (minister)no absent
Michael ConnartyLinlithgow and East FalkirkLab (minister)no absent
Rosie CooperWest LancashireLab (minister)no absent
Jim CousinsNewcastle upon Tyne CentralLab (minister)no absent
Mary CreaghWakefieldLab (minister)no absent
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)no absent
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)no absent
John DenhamSouthampton, ItchenLab (minister)no absent
Parmjit DhandaGloucesterLabno absent
Hywel FrancisAberavonLab (minister)no absent
Paul GogginsWythenshawe and Sale EastLab (minister)no absent
Keith HillStreathamLab (minister)no absent
Beverley HughesStretford and UrmstonLab (minister)no absent
John HuttonBarrow and FurnessLab (minister)no absent
Adam IngramEast Kilbride, Strathaven and LesmahagowLabno absent
Alan JohnsonKingston upon Hull West and HessleLab (minister)no absent
Helen JonesWarrington NorthLab (minister)no absent
Tessa JowellDulwich and West NorwoodLab (minister)no absent
Gerald KaufmanManchester, GortonLab (minister)no absent
Mark LazarowiczEdinburgh North and LeithLab (minister)no absent
Eric MartlewCarlisleLab (minister)no absent
Ian McCartneyMakerfieldLabno absent
Jim McGovernDundee WestLab (minister)no absent
Ann McKechinGlasgow NorthLab (minister)no absent
Alan MilburnDarlingtonLabno absent
Elliot MorleyScunthorpeLabno absent
George MudieLeeds EastLab (minister)no absent
Gordon PrenticePendleLab (minister)no absent
Geoffrey RobinsonCoventry North WestLabno absent
Terry RooneyBradford NorthLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLab (minister)no absent
Mohammad SarwarGlasgow CentralLab (minister)no absent
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLab (minister)no absent
Jonathan R ShawChatham and AylesfordLab (minister)no absent
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLab (minister)no absent
John SmithVale of GlamorganLab (minister)no absent
Howard StoateDartfordLab (minister)no absent
Emily ThornberryIslington South and FinsburyLab (minister)no absent
Kitty UssherBurnleyLab (minister)no absent
Malcolm WicksCroydon NorthLabno absent
Michael WillsNorth SwindonLab (minister)no absent
David WrightTelfordLab (minister)no absent
Tony WrightCannock ChaseLab (minister)no absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)both no
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)absent no
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)absent no
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)absent no
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)absent no
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)absent no
Colin BurgonElmetLababsent no
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLababsent no
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLababsent no
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)absent no
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)absent no
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)absent no
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLab (minister)absent no
Jon CruddasDagenhamLababsent no
Claire Curtis-ThomasCrosbyLababsent no
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)absent no
Gwyneth DunwoodyCrewe and NantwichLababsent no
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)absent no
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)absent no
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)absent no
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)absent no
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)absent no
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLababsent no
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)absent no
Margaret HodgeBarkingLababsent no
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)absent no
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)absent no
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)absent no
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)absent no
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)absent no
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLababsent no
Martin LintonBatterseaLababsent no
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLababsent no
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)absent no
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)absent no
David MarshallGlasgow EastLababsent no
Anne McGuireStirlingLababsent no
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)absent no
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)absent no
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)absent no
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)absent no
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)absent no
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)absent no
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLababsent no
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)absent no
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)absent no
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLababsent no
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)absent no
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)absent no
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLababsent no
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)absent no
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)absent no
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)absent no
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)absent no
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLababsent no
Betty WilliamsConwyLababsent no
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)absent no
Danny AlexanderInverness, Nairn, Badenoch and StrathspeyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Norman BakerLewesLDem (front bench)aye absent
John BarrettEdinburgh WestLDem (front bench)aye absent
Tom BrakeCarshalton and WallingtonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Lorely BurtSolihullLDem (front bench)aye absent
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Tim FarronWestmorland and LonsdaleLDem (front bench)aye absent
John HemmingBirmingham, YardleyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Susan KramerRichmond ParkLDemaye absent
David LawsYeovilLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alan ReidArgyll and ButeLDem (front bench)tellaye absent
Willie RennieDunfermline and West FifeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Dan RogersonNorth CornwallLDem (front bench)tellaye absent
Bob RussellColchesterLDem (front bench)aye absent
Robert SmithWest Aberdeenshire and KincardineLDem (front bench)aye absent
Andrew StunellHazel GroveLDem (front bench)aye absent
Sarah TeatherBrent EastLDem (front bench)aye absent
John ThursoCaithness, Sutherland and Easter RossLDem (front bench)aye absent
Stephen WilliamsBristol WestLDem (front bench)aye absent
Jennifer WillottCardiff CentralLDem (front bench)aye absent
Richard Younger-RossTeignbridgeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Hywel WilliamsCaernarfonPC (front bench)aye absent
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)aye absent
John MasonGlasgow EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)aye absent
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)aye absent
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)absent aye
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)aye absent

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 357 voted the same way, with 18 voting in opposite ways. There were 54 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 217 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
357
(357 + 18 + 0.2x217)
=
357
418.4
= 0.853 = 85.3 %.


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