Comparison of Divisions: Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat — 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 with Division No. 21 on 4 Dec 2007 at 21:50

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Vote (a) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

Vote (b) (unedited): Opposition Day — [3rd allotted day] — Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs - 4 Dec 2007 at 21:50 - Division No. 21

I beg to move,

That this House deplores the performance of the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs; regrets that it has been responsible for huge and avoidable costs to farmers and taxpayers; notes with concern the significant cost overruns in the Department's programme and administration budgets; and believes that planned budget cuts of £270 million will further undermine efforts to deliver policies which tackle climate change, promote the farming industry and enhance the natural environment.

I beg to move, To leave out from "House" to the end of the Question, and to add instead thereof:

"commends the Government on its swift and effective action to deal with four different disease outbreaks in England in 2007; welcomes the announcement on 8th October 2007 of an aid package to farmers worth £12.5 million through extra support to hill farmers, fallen stock collection, meat promotion and help for farming support charities; congratulates the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) on its effective emergency planning arrangements in conjunction with the emergency services and local authorities to warn those at risk from the recent tidal surge and initiate precautionary evacuation; applauds the increase in spending on flood defences since 1997, a 30 per cent. increase in real terms to around £600 million, and the announcement that spending will rise to a maximum of £800 million by 2010-11; and further congratulates the Government for bringing together environment, rural affairs and food and farming under Defra to create a unified structure essential for the effective delivery of integrated Government policies across these issues.".

Question put accordingly, That the original words stand part of the Question:-

The House divided: Ayes 186, Noes 275.

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
James ArbuthnotNorth East HampshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Tony BaldryBanburyConaye absent
Henry BellinghamNorth West NorfolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter BottomleyWorthing WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Graham BradyAltrincham and Sale WestCon (front bench)aye absent
James BrokenshireHornchurchCon (front bench)aye absent
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)aye absent
Christopher ChopeChristchurchCon (front bench)aye absent
Greg ClarkTunbridge WellsCon (front bench)aye absent
Patrick CormackSouth StaffordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen CrabbPreseli PembrokeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
David CurrySkipton and RiponCon (front bench)aye absent
David DaviesMonmouthCon (front bench)aye absent
Jonathan DjanoglyHuntingdonCon (front bench)aye absent
Nadine DorriesMid BedfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Iain Duncan SmithChingford and Woodford GreenConaye absent
Tobias EllwoodBournemouth EastCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark FieldCities of London and WestminsterCon (front bench)aye absent
Liam FoxWoodspringCon (front bench)aye absent
Edward GarnierHarboroughCon (front bench)aye absent
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)aye absent
John GummerSuffolk CoastalConaye absent
Greg HandsHammersmith and FulhamCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael HowardFolkestone and HytheConaye absent
Gerald HowarthAldershotCon (front bench)aye absent
John HowellHenleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Jeremy HuntSouth West SurreyCon (front bench)aye absent
David JonesClwyd WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Daniel KawczynskiShrewsbury and AtchamCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark LancasterNorth East Milton KeynesCon (front bench)aye absent
David LidingtonAylesburyCon (front bench)aye absent
Tim LoughtonEast Worthing and ShorehamCon (front bench)aye absent
David MacleanPenrith and The BorderCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew MitchellSutton ColdfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
Bob NeillBromley and ChislehurstCon (front bench)aye absent
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard OttawayCroydon SouthCon (front bench)aye absent
Hugh RobertsonFaversham and Mid KentCon (front bench)aye absent
Laurence RobertsonTewkesburyCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark SimmondsBoston and SkegnessCon (front bench)aye absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichCon (front bench)aye absent
Ed VaizeyWantageCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter ViggersGosportCon (front bench)aye absent
Charles WalkerBroxbourneCon (front bench)aye absent
John WhittingdaleMaldon and East ChelmsfordCon (front bench)aye absent
Nicholas WintertonMacclesfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)absent aye
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)absent aye
Derek ConwayOld Bexley and Sidcupwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenConabsent aye
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)absent aye
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)absent aye
Boris JohnsonHenleyCon (front bench)absent aye
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)absent aye
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael MatesEast HampshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)absent aye
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)absent aye
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)aye absent
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)aye absent
Iris RobinsonStrangfordDUP (front bench)absent aye
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentaye no
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)aye absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye absent
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye no
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye no
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye no
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye no
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye no
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye no
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye no
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye no
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye no
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye no
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye no
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye no
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye no
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye no
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye no
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye no
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye no
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye no
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye no
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye no
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye no
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabaye no
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye absent
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye absent
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)aye absent
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye absent
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye absent
Hilary ArmstrongNorth West DurhamLabno absent
Kevin BarronRother ValleyLab (minister)no absent
Stuart BellMiddlesbroughLab (minister)no absent
Roger BerryKingswoodLab (minister)no absent
Clive BettsSheffield, AttercliffeLab (minister)no absent
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)no absent
Dawn ButlerBrent SouthLab (minister)no absent
Colin ChallenMorley and RothwellLab (minister)no absent
Ben ChapmanWirral SouthLab (minister)no absent
Yvette CooperPontefract and CastlefordLab (minister)no absent
Mary CreaghWakefieldLab (minister)no absent
Ann CryerKeighleyLab (minister)no absent
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)no absent
John DenhamSouthampton, ItchenLab (minister)no absent
David DrewStroudLab (minister)no absent
Natascha EngelNorth East DerbyshireLabno absent
Rob FlelloStoke-on-Trent SouthLabno absent
Barry GardinerBrent NorthLabno absent
Nigel GriffithsEdinburgh SouthLab (minister)no absent
John GroganSelbyLab (minister)no absent
Peter HainNeathLabno absent
John HealeyWentworthLab (minister)no absent
Stephen HepburnJarrowLab (minister)no absent
John HeppellNottingham EastLab (minister)no absent
Keith HillStreathamLab (minister)no absent
Sharon HodgsonGateshead East and Washington WestLab (minister)no absent
John HuttonBarrow and FurnessLab (minister)no absent
Sally KeebleNorthampton NorthLab (minister)no absent
Barbara KeeleyWorsleyLab (minister)no absent
Fraser KempHoughton and Washington EastLabno absent
Bob LaxtonDerby NorthLab (minister)no absent
Ian McCartneyMakerfieldLabno absent
Pat McFaddenWolverhampton South EastLab (minister)no absent
Jim MurphyEast RenfrewshireLab (minister)no absent
Albert OwenYnys MônLab (minister)no absent
James PurnellStalybridge and HydeLab (minister)no absent
Terry RooneyBradford NorthLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLab (minister)no absent
Mohammad SarwarGlasgow CentralLab (minister)no absent
Andrew SlaughterEaling, Acton and Shepherd's BushLab (minister)no absent
Angela SmithSheffield, HillsboroughLab (minister)no absent
John SpellarWarleyLab (minister)no absent
Ian StewartEcclesLab (minister)no absent
Emily ThornberryIslington South and FinsburyLab (minister)no absent
Kitty UssherBurnleyLab (minister)no absent
Claire WardWatfordLab (minister)tellno absent
Malcolm WicksCroydon NorthLabno absent
Tony WrightCannock ChaseLab (minister)no absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)both absent
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)absent no
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)absent no
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)absent no
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)absent no
Colin BurgonElmetLababsent no
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLababsent no
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLababsent no
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)absent no
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)absent no
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)absent no
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLab (minister)absent no
Jon CruddasDagenhamLababsent no
Claire Curtis-ThomasCrosbyLababsent no
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)absent no
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)absent no
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)absent no
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)absent no
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLababsent no
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)absent no
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)absent no
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)absent no
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)absent no
Margaret HodgeBarkingLababsent no
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)absent no
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)absent no
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)absent no
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)absent no
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)absent no
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)absent no
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLababsent no
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLababsent no
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)absent no
Martin LintonBatterseaLababsent no
John MacDougallGlenrothesLababsent no
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)absent no
Anne McGuireStirlingLababsent no
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLababsent no
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)absent no
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)absent no
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)absent no
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)absent no
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)absent no
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)absent no
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)absent no
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)absent no
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)absent no
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLababsent no
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)absent no
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)absent no
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)absent no
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)absent no
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)absent no
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)absent no
Norman BakerLewesLDem (front bench)aye absent
Colin BreedSouth East CornwallLDem (front bench)aye absent
Jeremy BrowneTauntonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Paul BurstowSutton and CheamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Lorely BurtSolihullLDem (front bench)aye absent
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Edward DaveyKingston and SurbitonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Evan HarrisOxford West and AbingdonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Christopher HuhneEastleighLDem (front bench)aye absent
Susan KramerRichmond ParkLDemaye absent
David LawsYeovilLDem (front bench)aye absent
John LeechManchester, WithingtonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Greg MulhollandLeeds North WestLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alan ReidArgyll and ButeLDem (front bench)tellaye absent
Sarah TeatherBrent EastLDem (front bench)aye absent
Mark WilliamsCeredigionLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)absent aye
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Elfyn LlwydMeirionnydd Nant ConwyPC (front bench)aye absent
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)aye no
John MasonGlasgow EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)aye absent
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)absent aye
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)absent aye
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)aye absent

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 366 voted the same way, with 24 voting in opposite ways. There were 58 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 198 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
366
(366 + 24 + 0.2x198)
=
366
429.6
= 0.852 = 85.2 %.


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