Comparison of Divisions: Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat — 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 with Division No. 38 on 9 Jan 2008 at 13:23

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Vote (a) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

Vote (b) (unedited): Prime Minister — Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill (Programme) (No. 3) - 9 Jan 2008 at 13:23 - Division No. 38

I beg to move,

That the Order of 8th October 2007, in the last Session of Parliament, (Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill (Programme)), as varied by the Order of 11th October 2007 in that Session (Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill (Programme) (No. 2)), be further varied as follows:

The House having divided: Ayes 279, Noes 224.

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their inverted vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Richard BaconSouth NorfolkCon (front bench)aye absent
John BercowBuckinghamwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
Simon BurnsWest ChelmsfordCon (front bench)aye absent
Douglas CarswellHarwichCon (front bench)aye absent
Patrick CormackSouth StaffordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Geoffrey CoxTorridge and West DevonCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)aye absent
Nadine DorriesMid BedfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Alan DuncanRutland and MeltonCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark FieldCities of London and WestminsterCon (front bench)aye absent
Dame Cheryl GillanChesham and AmershamCon (front bench)aye absent
Dominic GrieveBeaconsfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
Philip HammondRunnymede and WeybridgeCon (front bench)aye absent
John HayesSouth Holland and The DeepingsCon (front bench)aye absent
Adam HollowayGraveshamCon (front bench)aye absent
Gerald HowarthAldershotCon (front bench)aye absent
John HowellHenleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Bernard JenkinNorth EssexCon (front bench)aye absent
Edward LeighGainsboroughCon (front bench)aye absent
Julian LewisNew Forest EastCon (front bench)aye absent
Anne MainSt AlbansCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew MitchellSutton ColdfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard OttawayCroydon SouthCon (front bench)aye absent
Eric PicklesBrentwood and OngarCon (front bench)aye absent
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaConaye absent
Andrew RosindellRomfordCon (front bench)aye absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichCon (front bench)aye absent
Nigel WatersonEastbourneCon (front bench)aye absent
John WhittingdaleMaldon and East ChelmsfordCon (front bench)aye absent
David WillettsHavantCon (front bench)aye absent
Nicholas WintertonMacclesfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)absent no
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)absent no
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)absent no
Derek ConwayOld Bexley and Sidcupwhilst Con (front bench)absent no
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenConabsent no
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConabsent no
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)absent no
John GreenwayRyedaleConabsent no
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)absent no
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)absent no
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)absent no
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)absent no
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)absent no
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)absent no
Michael MatesEast HampshireCon (front bench)absent no
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)absent no
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Con (front bench)absent no
Robert WalterNorth DorsetConabsent no
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)absent no
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPaye absent
David SimpsonUpper BannDUP (front bench)absent no
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye absent
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye aye
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye aye
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye aye
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye aye
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye aye
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye aye
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye absent
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye absent
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye absent
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye absent
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye absent
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)aye absent
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye absent
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye absent
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye absent
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye absent
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye absent
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye absent
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye absent
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabaye absent
Fiona MactaggartSloughLab (minister)no no
Douglas AlexanderPaisley and Renfrewshire SouthLab (minister)no absent
Hilary ArmstrongNorth West DurhamLabno absent
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)no absent
Ann ClwydCynon ValleyLab (minister)no absent
Mary CreaghWakefieldLab (minister)no absent
Ian DavidsonGlasgow South WestLab (minister)no absent
David DrewStroudLab (minister)no absent
Natascha EngelNorth East DerbyshireLabno absent
Barbara FollettStevenageLab (minister)no absent
David HamiltonMidlothianLab (minister)no absent
John HealeyWentworthLab (minister)no absent
Phil HopeCorbyLab (minister)no absent
Kim HowellsPontypriddLabno absent
Tessa JowellDulwich and West NorwoodLab (minister)no absent
Gerald KaufmanManchester, GortonLab (minister)no absent
Sally KeebleNorthampton NorthLab (minister)no absent
Ann KeenBrentford and IsleworthLab (minister)no absent
Jim KnightSouth DorsetLab (minister)no absent
David LammyTottenhamLab (minister)no absent
Pat McFaddenWolverhampton South EastLab (minister)no absent
Rosemary McKennaCumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch EastLab (minister)no absent
Margaret MoranLuton SouthLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLab (minister)no absent
Christine RussellCity of ChesterLab (minister)no absent
Joan RyanEnfield NorthLabno absent
Mohammad SarwarGlasgow CentralLab (minister)no absent
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLab (minister)no absent
John SmithVale of GlamorganLab (minister)no absent
Peter SoulsbyLeicester SouthLab (minister)no absent
Helen SouthworthWarrington SouthLab (minister)no absent
Ian StewartEcclesLab (minister)no absent
Jon TrickettHemsworthLabno absent
Kitty UssherBurnleyLab (minister)no absent
Alan WilliamsSwansea WestLab (minister)no absent
David WinnickWalsall NorthLab (minister)no absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)both aye
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)absent aye
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)absent aye
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)absent aye
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)absent aye
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)absent aye
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLababsent aye
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLababsent aye
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)absent aye
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)absent aye
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)absent aye
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Jon CruddasDagenhamLababsent aye
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)absent aye
Bill EtheringtonSunderland NorthLababsent aye
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)absent aye
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)absent aye
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)absent aye
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)absent aye
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)absent aye
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)absent aye
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)absent aye
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)absent aye
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLababsent aye
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Martin LintonBatterseaLababsent aye
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLababsent aye
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)absent aye
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)absent aye
David MarshallGlasgow EastLababsent aye
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLababsent aye
Anne McGuireStirlingLababsent aye
Alan MealeMansfieldLababsent aye
David MilibandSouth ShieldsLab (minister)absent aye
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)absent aye
Kali MountfordColne ValleyLab (minister)absent aye
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)absent aye
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)absent aye
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLababsent aye
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)absent aye
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)absent aye
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)absent aye
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)absent aye
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)absent aye
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLababsent aye
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)absent aye
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)absent aye
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)absent aye
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)absent aye
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLababsent aye
Betty WilliamsConwyLababsent aye
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)absent aye
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)absent no
Danny AlexanderInverness, Nairn, Badenoch and StrathspeyLDem (front bench)aye absent
John BarrettEdinburgh WestLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alan BeithBerwick-upon-TweedLDem (front bench)aye absent
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Martin HorwoodCheltenhamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Simon HughesNorth Southwark and BermondseyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)absent no
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)absent no
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)absent no
Mark OatenWinchesterLDem (front bench)absent no
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)absent no
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)absent no
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)absent no
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)absent no
Adam PriceCarmarthen East and DinefwrPC (front bench)aye absent
Mark DurkanFoyleSDLP (front bench)absent no
John MasonGlasgow EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)aye absent
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)absent no
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)aye absent

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 14 voted the same way, with 406 voting in opposite ways. There were 45 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 181 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up on opposite sides. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
406
(406 + 14 + 0.2x181)
=
406
456.2
= 0.890 = 89.0 %.


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