Comparison of Divisions: Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat — 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 with Division No. 42 on 9 Jan 2008 at 19:30

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

Vote (b) : Protection of freedom of expression (sexual orientation) - 9 Jan 2008 at 19:30 - Division No. 42

The majority voted against including a freedom of speech clause into Part III (racial hatred) of the Public Order Act 1986,[1][2] which would have said:

Nothing in this Part shall be read or given effect in a way which prohibits or restricts discussion of, criticism of or expressions of antipathy towards, conduct relating to a particular sexual orientation, or urging persons of a particular sexual orientation to refrain from or modify conduct related to that orientation.

The precise implementation of this motion, had it been passed, would have been to insert a new section 13A into schedule 22 of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill[3] that, when enforced, would have inserted a new section 29JA into the part of the Public Order Act 1986 which had been heavily amended by the Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006.[4]

There doesn't appear to be an up to date version of the Public Order Act 1986 which is anywhere accessible to the public.

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
John BercowBuckinghamwhilst Con (front bench)aye no
Crispin BluntReigateCon (front bench)aye no
Michael FabricantLichfieldCon (front bench)aye no
Robert KeySalisburyCon (front bench)aye no
Ed VaizeyWantageCon (front bench)aye no
Adam AfriyieWindsorCon (front bench)aye absent
James ArbuthnotNorth East HampshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard BaconSouth NorfolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Gregory BarkerBexhill and BattleCon (front bench)aye absent
John BaronBillericayCon (front bench)aye absent
Simon BurnsWest ChelmsfordCon (front bench)aye absent
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)aye absent
Douglas CarswellHarwichCon (front bench)aye absent
Patrick CormackSouth StaffordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
David CurrySkipton and RiponCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)aye absent
Liam FoxWoodspringCon (front bench)aye absent
Nick GibbBognor Regis and LittlehamptonCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael GoveSurrey HeathCon (front bench)aye absent
William HagueRichmond (Yorks)Con (front bench)aye absent
Douglas HoggSleaford and North HykehamCon (front bench)aye absent
John HowellHenleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Jeremy HuntSouth West SurreyCon (front bench)aye absent
Julian LewisNew Forest EastCon (front bench)aye absent
Anne MainSt AlbansCon (front bench)aye absent
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard OttawayCroydon SouthCon (front bench)aye absent
James PaiceSouth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
David RuffleyBury St EdmundsCon (front bench)aye absent
Grant ShappsWelwyn HatfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
Caroline SpelmanMeridenCon (front bench)aye absent
Gary StreeterSouth West DevonCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter TapsellLouth and HorncastleConaye absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter ViggersGosportCon (front bench)aye absent
Nigel WatersonEastbourneCon (front bench)aye absent
John WhittingdaleMaldon and East ChelmsfordCon (front bench)aye absent
Nicholas WintertonMacclesfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)absent aye
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)absent aye
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)absent aye
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)absent aye
Derek ConwayOld Bexley and Sidcupwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenConabsent aye
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConabsent aye
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)absent aye
John GreenwayRyedaleConabsent aye
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)absent aye
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)absent aye
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)absent aye
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael MatesEast HampshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
Robert WalterNorth DorsetConabsent aye
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)absent aye
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)aye absent
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPaye absent
David SimpsonUpper BannDUP (front bench)absent aye
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentaye no
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)aye no
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye absent
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye no
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye no
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye no
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye no
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye no
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye no
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye no
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye no
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye no
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye no
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye no
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye no
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye no
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye no
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye no
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye no
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye no
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye no
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye no
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye no
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye no
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye absent
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye absent
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye absent
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabaye absent
Joe BentonBootleLab (minister)no aye
David DrewStroudLab (minister)no aye
Geoffrey RobinsonCoventry North WestLabno aye
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLab (minister)no aye
Douglas AlexanderPaisley and Renfrewshire SouthLab (minister)no absent
Hilary ArmstrongNorth West DurhamLabno absent
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)no absent
Dawn ButlerBrent SouthLab (minister)no absent
Mary CreaghWakefieldLab (minister)no absent
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)no absent
Clive EffordElthamLabno absent
Natascha EngelNorth East DerbyshireLabno absent
Phil HopeCorbyLab (minister)no absent
George HowarthKnowsley North and Sefton EastLab (minister)no absent
Kim HowellsPontypriddLabno absent
Gerald KaufmanManchester, GortonLab (minister)no absent
Ann KeenBrentford and IsleworthLab (minister)no absent
Jim KnightSouth DorsetLab (minister)no absent
Eric MartlewCarlisleLab (minister)no absent
Rosemary McKennaCumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch EastLab (minister)no absent
Tony McNultyHarrow EastLab (minister)no absent
Madeleine MoonBridgendLab (minister)no absent
Margaret MoranLuton SouthLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLab (minister)no absent
Joan RyanEnfield NorthLabno absent
Mohammad SarwarGlasgow CentralLab (minister)no absent
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLab (minister)no absent
Barry SheermanHuddersfieldLab (minister)no absent
Jacqui SmithRedditchLab (minister)no absent
Helen SouthworthWarrington SouthLab (minister)no absent
Ian StewartEcclesLab (minister)no absent
Howard StoateDartfordLab (minister)no absent
Mark TamiAlyn and DeesideLab (minister)no absent
Dari TaylorStockton SouthLab (minister)no absent
Emily ThornberryIslington South and FinsburyLab (minister)no absent
Don TouhigIslwynLab (minister)no absent
Kitty UssherBurnleyLab (minister)no absent
Claire WardWatfordLab (minister)tellno absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)both aye
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLababsent aye
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)absent tellaye
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)absent aye
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLababsent aye
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLababsent aye
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)absent aye
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)absent no
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)absent no
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)absent no
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)absent no
Colin BurgonElmetLababsent no
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLababsent no
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLababsent no
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)absent no
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)absent no
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)absent no
Jon CruddasDagenhamLababsent no
Bill EtheringtonSunderland NorthLababsent no
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)absent no
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)absent no
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)absent no
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)absent no
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)absent no
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)absent no
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)absent no
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)absent no
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)absent no
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)absent no
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)absent no
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLababsent no
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)absent no
Martin LintonBatterseaLababsent no
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLababsent no
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLababsent no
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)absent no
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)absent no
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLababsent no
Anne McGuireStirlingLababsent no
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLababsent no
Alan MealeMansfieldLababsent no
David MilibandSouth ShieldsLab (minister)absent no
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)absent no
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)absent no
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)absent no
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLababsent no
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)absent no
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)absent no
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)absent no
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLababsent no
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)absent no
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)absent no
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)absent no
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)absent no
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLababsent no
Betty WilliamsConwyLababsent no
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)absent no
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)absent no
Danny AlexanderInverness, Nairn, Badenoch and StrathspeyLDem (front bench)aye no
Norman BakerLewesLDem (front bench)aye no
Tom BrakeCarshalton and WallingtonLDem (front bench)aye no
Annette BrookeMid Dorset and North PooleLDem (front bench)aye no
Jeremy BrowneTauntonLDem (front bench)aye no
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)aye no
Paul BurstowSutton and CheamLDem (front bench)aye no
Lorely BurtSolihullLDem (front bench)aye no
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)aye no
Edward DaveyKingston and SurbitonLDem (front bench)aye no
Lynne FeatherstoneHornsey and Wood GreenLDem (front bench)aye no
Don FosterBathLDem (front bench)aye no
Andrew GeorgeSt IvesLDem (front bench)aye no
Evan HarrisOxford West and AbingdonLDem (front bench)aye no
Nick HarveyNorth DevonLDem (front bench)aye no
David HeathSomerton and FromeLDem (front bench)aye no
John HemmingBirmingham, YardleyLDem (front bench)aye no
Paul HolmesChesterfieldLDem (front bench)aye no
David HowarthCambridgeLDem (front bench)aye no
Simon HughesNorth Southwark and BermondseyLDem (front bench)aye no
Christopher HuhneEastleighLDem (front bench)aye no
Mark HunterCheadleLDem (front bench)aye no
Susan KramerRichmond ParkLDemaye no
Norman LambNorth NorfolkLDem (front bench)aye no
David LawsYeovilLDem (front bench)aye no
John LeechManchester, WithingtonLDem (front bench)aye no
Michael MooreBerwickshire, Roxburgh and SelkirkLDem (front bench)aye no
Alan ReidArgyll and ButeLDem (front bench)tellaye no
Willie RennieDunfermline and West FifeLDem (front bench)aye no
Dan RogersonNorth CornwallLDem (front bench)tellaye no
Bob RussellColchesterLDem (front bench)aye no
Adrian SandersTorbayLDem (front bench)aye no
Robert SmithWest Aberdeenshire and KincardineLDem (front bench)aye no
Andrew StunellHazel GroveLDem (front bench)aye no
Matthew TaylorTruro and St AustellLDemaye no
Sarah TeatherBrent EastLDem (front bench)aye no
John ThursoCaithness, Sutherland and Easter RossLDem (front bench)aye no
Mark WilliamsCeredigionLDem (front bench)aye no
Stephen WilliamsBristol WestLDem (front bench)aye no
Phil WillisHarrogate and KnaresboroughLDem (front bench)aye no
Jennifer WillottCardiff CentralLDem (front bench)aye no
Richard Younger-RossTeignbridgeLDem (front bench)aye no
John BarrettEdinburgh WestLDem (front bench)aye absent
Vincent CableTwickenhamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Julia GoldsworthyFalmouth and CamborneLDem (front bench)aye absent
Martin HorwoodCheltenhamLDem (front bench)aye absent
John PughSouthportLDem (front bench)aye absent
Steve WebbNorthavonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)absent no
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)absent no
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)absent no
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)absent no
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)absent no
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)absent no
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)absent no
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)absent no
Elfyn LlwydMeirionnydd Nant ConwyPC (front bench)aye no
Adam PriceCarmarthen East and DinefwrPC (front bench)aye no
Hywel WilliamsCaernarfonPC (front bench)aye absent
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)aye absent
John MasonGlasgow EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)aye absent
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)aye absent
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)aye absent
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)aye absent

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 349 voted the same way, with 76 voting in opposite ways. There were 45 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 176 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
349
(349 + 76 + 0.2x176)
=
349
460.2
= 0.758 = 75.8 %.


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