Comparison of Divisions: Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat — 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 with Division No. 50 on 21 Jan 2008 at 21:45

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

Vote (b) : Lisbon Treaty — Second Reading - 21 Jan 2008 at 21:45 - Division No. 50

The majority Aye voters agreed to give a second reading to the European Union (Amendment) Bill. A second reading is where the main principles and purpose of a Bill is discussed. This Bill will give effect in United Kingdom law to the Lisbon Treaty.

The main aims of the Lisbon Treaty were to[1]:

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their inverted vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
David CurrySkipton and RiponCon (front bench)aye aye
Ian TaylorEsher and WaltonConaye aye
John GummerSuffolk CoastalConaye absent
John HowellHenleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichCon (front bench)aye absent
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)absent aye
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)absent no
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)absent no
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)absent no
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)absent no
Derek ConwayOld Bexley and Sidcupwhilst Con (front bench)absent no
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenConabsent no
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConabsent no
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)absent no
John GreenwayRyedaleConabsent no
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)absent no
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)absent no
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)absent no
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)absent no
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)absent no
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)absent no
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)absent no
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)absent no
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)absent no
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent no
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)absent no
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)absent no
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Con (front bench)absent no
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)absent no
Robert WalterNorth DorsetConabsent no
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)absent no
Ian PaisleyNorth AntrimDUPabsent no
Iris RobinsonStrangfordDUP (front bench)absent no
David SimpsonUpper BannDUP (front bench)absent no
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Clare ShortBirmingham, Ladywoodwhilst Independent Labourabsent aye
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye aye
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye aye
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye aye
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye aye
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye aye
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye aye
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye aye
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye aye
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye aye
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye aye
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye aye
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye absent
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye absent
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye absent
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye absent
John CummingsEasingtonLab (minister)no no
Ian DavidsonGlasgow South WestLab (minister)no no
David DrewStroudLab (minister)no no
Dennis SkinnerBolsoverLab (minister)no no
Graham StringerManchester, BlackleyLab (minister)no no
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)no absent
Ben ChapmanWirral SouthLab (minister)no absent
Mary CreaghWakefieldLab (minister)no absent
Ann CryerKeighleyLab (minister)no absent
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)no absent
Natascha EngelNorth East DerbyshireLabno absent
Barry GardinerBrent NorthLabno absent
Tessa JowellDulwich and West NorwoodLab (minister)no absent
Eric MartlewCarlisleLab (minister)no absent
Dan NorrisWansdykeLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLab (minister)no absent
Jon TrickettHemsworthLabno absent
Kitty UssherBurnleyLab (minister)no absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)both no
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)absent aye
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)absent aye
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)absent aye
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)absent aye
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)absent aye
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLababsent aye
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLababsent aye
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)absent aye
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)absent aye
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Frank CookStockton NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Jon CruddasDagenhamLababsent aye
Claire Curtis-ThomasCrosbyLababsent aye
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)absent aye
Bill EtheringtonSunderland NorthLababsent aye
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)absent aye
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)absent aye
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)absent aye
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLababsent aye
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)absent aye
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)absent aye
Margaret HodgeBarkingLababsent aye
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)absent aye
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)absent aye
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)absent aye
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)absent aye
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)absent aye
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLababsent aye
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Martin LintonBatterseaLababsent aye
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLababsent aye
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)absent aye
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)absent aye
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLababsent aye
Anne McGuireStirlingLababsent aye
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLababsent aye
David MilibandSouth ShieldsLab (minister)absent aye
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)absent aye
Kali MountfordColne ValleyLab (minister)absent aye
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)absent aye
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)absent aye
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)absent aye
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLababsent aye
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)absent aye
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)absent aye
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLababsent aye
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)absent aye
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)absent aye
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)absent aye
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLababsent aye
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)absent aye
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)absent aye
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)absent aye
Betty WilliamsConwyLababsent aye
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)absent aye
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)absent no
Gwyneth DunwoodyCrewe and NantwichLababsent no
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)absent no
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLababsent no
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)absent no
David MarshallGlasgow EastLababsent no
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)absent no
Danny AlexanderInverness, Nairn, Badenoch and StrathspeyLDem (front bench)aye aye
Norman BakerLewesLDem (front bench)aye aye
John BarrettEdinburgh WestLDem (front bench)aye aye
Alan BeithBerwick-upon-TweedLDem (front bench)aye aye
Tom BrakeCarshalton and WallingtonLDem (front bench)aye aye
Colin BreedSouth East CornwallLDem (front bench)aye aye
Jeremy BrowneTauntonLDem (front bench)aye aye
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)aye aye
Paul BurstowSutton and CheamLDem (front bench)aye aye
Vincent CableTwickenhamLDem (front bench)aye aye
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)aye aye
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)aye aye
Edward DaveyKingston and SurbitonLDem (front bench)aye aye
Lynne FeatherstoneHornsey and Wood GreenLDem (front bench)aye aye
Don FosterBathLDem (front bench)aye aye
Andrew GeorgeSt IvesLDem (front bench)aye aye
Julia GoldsworthyFalmouth and CamborneLDem (front bench)aye aye
Evan HarrisOxford West and AbingdonLDem (front bench)aye aye
Paul HolmesChesterfieldLDem (front bench)aye aye
Martin HorwoodCheltenhamLDem (front bench)aye aye
David HowarthCambridgeLDem (front bench)aye aye
Simon HughesNorth Southwark and BermondseyLDem (front bench)aye aye
Christopher HuhneEastleighLDem (front bench)aye aye
Mark HunterCheadleLDem (front bench)aye aye
Susan KramerRichmond ParkLDemaye aye
Norman LambNorth NorfolkLDem (front bench)aye aye
David LawsYeovilLDem (front bench)aye aye
John LeechManchester, WithingtonLDem (front bench)aye aye
Michael MooreBerwickshire, Roxburgh and SelkirkLDem (front bench)aye aye
Greg MulhollandLeeds North WestLDem (front bench)aye aye
Willie RennieDunfermline and West FifeLDem (front bench)aye aye
Dan RogersonNorth CornwallLDem (front bench)tellaye aye
Bob RussellColchesterLDem (front bench)aye aye
Adrian SandersTorbayLDem (front bench)aye aye
Robert SmithWest Aberdeenshire and KincardineLDem (front bench)aye aye
Andrew StunellHazel GroveLDem (front bench)aye aye
Matthew TaylorTruro and St AustellLDemaye aye
Sarah TeatherBrent EastLDem (front bench)aye aye
Steve WebbNorthavonLDem (front bench)aye aye
Mark WilliamsCeredigionLDem (front bench)aye aye
Stephen WilliamsBristol WestLDem (front bench)aye aye
Phil WillisHarrogate and KnaresboroughLDem (front bench)aye aye
Jennifer WillottCardiff CentralLDem (front bench)aye aye
Richard Younger-RossTeignbridgeLDem (front bench)aye aye
Annette BrookeMid Dorset and North PooleLDem (front bench)aye absent
Lorely BurtSolihullLDem (front bench)aye absent
Tim FarronWestmorland and LonsdaleLDem (front bench)aye absent
Nick HarveyNorth DevonLDem (front bench)aye absent
David HeathSomerton and FromeLDem (front bench)aye absent
John HemmingBirmingham, YardleyLDem (front bench)aye absent
John PughSouthportLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alan ReidArgyll and ButeLDem (front bench)tellaye absent
John ThursoCaithness, Sutherland and Easter RossLDem (front bench)aye absent
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)absent aye
Charles KennedyRoss, Skye and LochaberLDemabsent aye
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)aye absent
Mark DurkanFoyleSDLP (front bench)absent aye
John MasonGlasgow EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)aye absent
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)absent no
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)absent no
Alex SalmondBanff and BuchanSNP (front bench)absent no
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)aye absent

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 69 voted the same way, with 412 voting in opposite ways. There were 24 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 141 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up on opposite sides. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
412
(412 + 69 + 0.2x141)
=
412
509.2
= 0.809 = 80.9 %.


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