Comparison of Divisions: Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat — 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 with Division No. 68 on 4 Feb 2008 at 18:54

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

Vote (b) (unedited): Points of Order — Police Grant - 4 Feb 2008 at 18:54 - Division No. 68

I beg to move,

That the Police Grant Report (England and Wales) 2008-09 (House of Commons Paper No. 265), which was laid before this House on 24th January, be approved.

Question put:-

The House divided: Ayes 280, Noes 171.

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their inverted vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Peter AtkinsonHexhamCon (front bench)aye absent
Gregory BarkerBexhill and BattleCon (front bench)aye absent
John BaronBillericayCon (front bench)aye absent
Paul BeresfordMole ValleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter BottomleyWorthing WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Julian BrazierCanterburyCon (front bench)aye absent
Angela BrowningTiverton and HonitonCon (front bench)aye absent
Alistair BurtNorth East BedfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)aye absent
Geoffrey Clifton-BrownCotswoldCon (front bench)aye absent
Patrick CormackSouth StaffordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen CrabbPreseli PembrokeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)aye absent
Alan DuncanRutland and MeltonCon (front bench)aye absent
Iain Duncan SmithChingford and Woodford GreenConaye absent
David EvennettBexleyheath and CrayfordCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael FallonSevenoaksCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark FrancoisRayleighCon (front bench)aye absent
David GaukeSouth West HertfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Nick GibbBognor Regis and LittlehamptonCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael GoveSurrey HeathCon (front bench)aye absent
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)aye absent
Dominic GrieveBeaconsfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
Philip HolloboneKetteringCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael HowardFolkestone and HytheConaye absent
John HowellHenleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Jeremy HuntSouth West SurreyCon (front bench)aye absent
Bernard JenkinNorth EssexCon (front bench)aye absent
David JonesClwyd WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Daniel KawczynskiShrewsbury and AtchamCon (front bench)aye absent
Greg KnightEast YorkshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Eleanor LaingEpping ForestCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark LancasterNorth East Milton KeynesCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew LansleySouth CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Edward LeighGainsboroughCon (front bench)aye absent
Ian Liddell-GraingerBridgwaterCon (front bench)aye absent
Anne MainSt AlbansCon (front bench)aye absent
Theresa MayMaidenheadCon (front bench)aye absent
Anne McIntoshVale of YorkCon (front bench)aye absent
Patrick MercerNewarkCon (front bench)aye absent
Maria MillerBasingstokeCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew MitchellSutton ColdfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
Brooks NewmarkBraintreeCon (front bench)aye absent
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard OttawayCroydon SouthCon (front bench)aye absent
Mike PenningHemel HempsteadCon (front bench)aye absent
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaConaye absent
Richard ShepherdAldridge-BrownhillsCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark SimmondsBoston and SkegnessCon (front bench)aye absent
Keith SimpsonMid NorfolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Caroline SpelmanMeridenCon (front bench)aye absent
Graham StuartBeverley and HoldernessCon (front bench)aye absent
Desmond SwayneNew Forest WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter TapsellLouth and HorncastleConaye absent
Ian TaylorEsher and WaltonConaye absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichCon (front bench)aye absent
Shailesh VaraNorth West CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Theresa VilliersChipping BarnetCon (front bench)aye absent
David WillettsHavantCon (front bench)aye absent
Rob WilsonReading EastCon (front bench)aye absent
Jeremy WrightRugby and KenilworthCon (front bench)aye absent
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)absent no
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)absent no
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)absent no
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)absent no
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenConabsent no
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)absent no
John GreenwayRyedaleConabsent no
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)absent no
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)absent no
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)absent no
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)absent no
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)absent no
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)absent no
Michael MatesEast HampshireCon (front bench)absent no
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)absent no
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent no
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)absent no
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Con (front bench)absent no
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)absent no
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)absent no
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)aye absent
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)aye absent
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)aye absent
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPaye absent
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye aye
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye aye
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye aye
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye aye
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye aye
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye aye
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)aye aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye aye
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye aye
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye aye
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye aye
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye aye
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye aye
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye aye
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye absent
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye absent
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye absent
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye absent
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye absent
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye absent
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabaye absent
Bob AinsworthCoventry North EastLab (minister)no absent
Douglas AlexanderPaisley and Renfrewshire SouthLab (minister)no absent
David AndersonBlaydonLab (minister)no absent
Janet AndersonRossendale and DarwenLab (minister)no absent
Clive BettsSheffield, AttercliffeLab (minister)no absent
Liz BlackmanErewashLab (minister)no absent
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)no absent
Des BrowneKilmarnock and LoudounLabno absent
Liam ByrneBirmingham, Hodge HillLab (minister)no absent
Colin ChallenMorley and RothwellLab (minister)no absent
Ben ChapmanWirral SouthLab (minister)no absent
David ChaytorBury NorthLab (minister)no absent
Mary CreaghWakefieldLab (minister)no absent
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)no absent
John DenhamSouthampton, ItchenLab (minister)no absent
Clive EffordElthamLabno absent
Natascha EngelNorth East DerbyshireLabno absent
Jeff EnnisBarnsley East and MexboroughLabno absent
Jim FitzpatrickPoplar and Canning TownLab (minister)no absent
Barbara FollettStevenageLab (minister)no absent
Linda GilroyPlymouth, SuttonLab (minister)no absent
Paul GogginsWythenshawe and Sale EastLab (minister)no absent
John HeppellNottingham EastLab (minister)no absent
John HuttonBarrow and FurnessLab (minister)no absent
Helen JonesWarrington NorthLab (minister)no absent
Sally KeebleNorthampton NorthLab (minister)no absent
Alan KeenFeltham and HestonLab (minister)no absent
Ann KeenBrentford and IsleworthLab (minister)no absent
Ruth KellyBolton WestLabno absent
Jane KennedyLiverpool, WavertreeLab (minister)no absent
Stephen LadymanSouth ThanetLabno absent
Andrew LoveEdmontonLab (minister)no absent
Ian LucasWrexhamLab (minister)no absent
Shahid MalikDewsburyLab (minister)no absent
Gillian MerronLincolnLab (minister)no absent
Alan MilburnDarlingtonLabno absent
Margaret MoranLuton SouthLab (minister)no absent
Dan NorrisWansdykeLab (minister)no absent
Mike O'BrienNorth WarwickshireLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLab (minister)no absent
Jonathan R ShawChatham and AylesfordLab (minister)no absent
Barry SheermanHuddersfieldLab (minister)no absent
Ian StewartEcclesLab (minister)no absent
Jack StrawBlackburnLab (minister)no absent
Mark TamiAlyn and DeesideLab (minister)no absent
Gareth ThomasHarrow WestLab (minister)no absent
Emily ThornberryIslington South and FinsburyLab (minister)no absent
Desmond TurnerBrighton, KemptownLab (minister)no absent
Kitty UssherBurnleyLab (minister)no absent
Joan WalleyStoke-on-Trent NorthLab (minister)no absent
Claire WardWatfordLab (minister)tellno absent
Tony WrightCannock ChaseLab (minister)no absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)both aye
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)absent aye
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)absent aye
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)absent aye
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Colin BurgonElmetLababsent aye
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLababsent aye
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLababsent aye
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLababsent aye
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)absent aye
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)absent aye
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)absent aye
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Frank CookStockton NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Jon CruddasDagenhamLababsent aye
Claire Curtis-ThomasCrosbyLababsent aye
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)absent aye
Bill EtheringtonSunderland NorthLababsent aye
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)absent aye
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)absent aye
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLababsent aye
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)absent aye
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)absent aye
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)absent aye
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)absent aye
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)absent aye
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)absent aye
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)absent aye
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)absent aye
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)absent aye
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)absent aye
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLababsent aye
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLababsent aye
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Martin LintonBatterseaLababsent aye
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLababsent aye
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)absent aye
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)absent aye
David MarshallGlasgow EastLababsent aye
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLababsent aye
Anne McGuireStirlingLababsent aye
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLababsent aye
Alan MealeMansfieldLababsent aye
David MilibandSouth ShieldsLab (minister)absent aye
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)absent aye
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)absent aye
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)absent aye
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)absent aye
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)absent aye
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)absent aye
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLababsent aye
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)absent aye
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)absent aye
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)absent aye
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLababsent aye
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)absent aye
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)absent aye
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)absent aye
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)absent aye
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLababsent aye
Betty WilliamsConwyLababsent aye
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)absent aye
Norman BakerLewesLDem (front bench)aye absent
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Tim FarronWestmorland and LonsdaleLDem (front bench)aye absent
Andrew GeorgeSt IvesLDem (front bench)aye absent
John HemmingBirmingham, YardleyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Paul HolmesChesterfieldLDem (front bench)aye absent
John LeechManchester, WithingtonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Michael MooreBerwickshire, Roxburgh and SelkirkLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alan ReidArgyll and ButeLDem (front bench)tellaye absent
Bob RussellColchesterLDem (front bench)aye absent
Andrew StunellHazel GroveLDem (front bench)aye absent
Matthew TaylorTruro and St AustellLDemaye absent
Phil WillisHarrogate and KnaresboroughLDem (front bench)aye absent
Richard Younger-RossTeignbridgeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)absent no
Charles KennedyRoss, Skye and LochaberLDemabsent no
Mark OatenWinchesterLDem (front bench)absent no
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)absent no
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)absent no
Adam PriceCarmarthen East and DinefwrPC (front bench)aye absent
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)aye absent
John MasonGlasgow EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)aye absent
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)aye absent
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)aye absent
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)aye absent

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 21 voted the same way, with 344 voting in opposite ways. There were 42 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 239 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up on opposite sides. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
344
(344 + 21 + 0.2x239)
=
344
412.8
= 0.833 = 83.3 %.


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