Comparison of Divisions: Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat — 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 with Division No. 77 on 18 Feb 2008 at 18:15

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Vote (a) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

Vote (b) (unedited): Orders of the Day — New Clause 15 — Code of practice relating to malnutrition - 18 Feb 2008 at 18:15 - Division No. 77

I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

Question put, That the clause be read a Second time:-

The House divided: Ayes 186, Noes 263.

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Peter AinsworthEast SurreyCon (front bench)aye absent
Sir David AmessSouthend WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard BenyonNewburyCon (front bench)aye absent
John BercowBuckinghamwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
Crispin BluntReigateCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter BottomleyWorthing WestCon (front bench)aye absent
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen CrabbPreseli PembrokeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
David CurrySkipton and RiponCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)aye absent
Christopher FraserSouth West NorfolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael GoveSurrey HeathCon (front bench)aye absent
Douglas HoggSleaford and North HykehamCon (front bench)aye absent
John HowellHenleyCon (front bench)aye absent
David JonesClwyd WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Jacqui LaitBeckenhamConaye absent
Peter LilleyHitchin and HarpendenConaye absent
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)aye absent
James PaiceSouth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
John RedwoodWokinghamConaye absent
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaConaye absent
Andrew RosindellRomfordCon (front bench)aye absent
David RuffleyBury St EdmundsCon (front bench)aye absent
Caroline SpelmanMeridenCon (front bench)aye absent
Anthony SteenTotnesCon (front bench)aye absent
Graham StuartBeverley and HoldernessCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter TapsellLouth and HorncastleConaye absent
Ian TaylorEsher and WaltonConaye absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew TyrieChichesterCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter ViggersGosportCon (front bench)aye absent
Theresa VilliersChipping BarnetCon (front bench)aye absent
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConaye absent
Ann WintertonCongletonCon (front bench)aye absent
Nicholas WintertonMacclesfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)absent aye
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)absent aye
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)absent aye
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenConabsent aye
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)absent aye
John GreenwayRyedaleConabsent aye
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)absent aye
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)absent aye
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)absent aye
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)aye absent
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)aye absent
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)aye absent
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPaye absent
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentaye no
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye absent
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye no
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye no
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye no
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye no
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)aye no
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye no
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye no
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye no
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye no
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye no
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye no
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye no
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye no
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye no
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye no
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye no
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye no
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye no
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye no
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye absent
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye absent
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye absent
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye absent
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye absent
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye absent
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye absent
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabaye absent
Douglas AlexanderPaisley and Renfrewshire SouthLab (minister)no absent
Graham AllenNottingham NorthLabno absent
Gordon BanksOchil and South PerthshireLab (minister)no absent
Hugh BayleyCity of YorkLab (minister)no absent
Margaret BeckettDerby SouthLab (minister)no absent
Anne BeggAberdeen SouthLab (minister)no absent
Roger BerryKingswoodLab (minister)no absent
Roberta Blackman-WoodsCity of DurhamLab (minister)no absent
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)no absent
Chris BryantRhonddaLab (minister)no absent
Dawn ButlerBrent SouthLab (minister)no absent
Liam ByrneBirmingham, Hodge HillLab (minister)no absent
Paul ClarkGillinghamLab (minister)no absent
Michael ConnartyLinlithgow and East FalkirkLab (minister)no absent
Yvette CooperPontefract and CastlefordLab (minister)no absent
David CrausbyBolton North EastLab (minister)no absent
Mary CreaghWakefieldLab (minister)no absent
Frank DobsonHolborn and St PancrasLabno absent
Frank DoranAberdeen NorthLab (minister)no absent
Natascha EngelNorth East DerbyshireLabno absent
Jeff EnnisBarnsley East and MexboroughLabno absent
Jim FitzpatrickPoplar and Canning TownLab (minister)no absent
Michael Jabez FosterHastings and RyeLab (minister)no absent
Barry GardinerBrent NorthLabno absent
Bruce GeorgeWalsall SouthLabno absent
Paul GogginsWythenshawe and Sale EastLab (minister)no absent
Peter HainNeathLabno absent
Mark HendrickPrestonLab (minister)no absent
Patricia HewittLeicester WestLabno absent
John HuttonBarrow and FurnessLab (minister)no absent
Brian IddonBolton South EastLab (minister)no absent
Adam IngramEast Kilbride, Strathaven and LesmahagowLabno absent
Eric JoyceFalkirkLabno absent
David LammyTottenhamLab (minister)no absent
Tom LevittHigh PeakLab (minister)no absent
Shahid MalikDewsburyLab (minister)no absent
Gillian MerronLincolnLab (minister)no absent
Alan MilburnDarlingtonLabno absent
Margaret MoranLuton SouthLab (minister)no absent
Elliot MorleyScunthorpeLabno absent
George MudieLeeds EastLab (minister)no absent
Terry RooneyBradford NorthLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLab (minister)no absent
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLab (minister)no absent
Jacqui SmithRedditchLab (minister)no absent
John SmithVale of GlamorganLab (minister)no absent
Ian StewartEcclesLab (minister)no absent
Howard StoateDartfordLab (minister)no absent
Graham StringerManchester, BlackleyLab (minister)no absent
Mark TamiAlyn and DeesideLab (minister)no absent
Gareth ThomasHarrow WestLab (minister)no absent
Emily ThornberryIslington South and FinsburyLab (minister)no absent
Don TouhigIslwynLab (minister)no absent
Kitty UssherBurnleyLab (minister)no absent
Claire WardWatfordLab (minister)tellno absent
Tony WrightCannock ChaseLab (minister)no absent
Derek WyattSittingbourne and SheppeyLab (minister)no absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)both no
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)absent no
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)absent no
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)absent no
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)absent no
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLababsent no
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLababsent no
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)absent no
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)absent no
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLab (minister)absent no
Jon CruddasDagenhamLababsent no
Claire Curtis-ThomasCrosbyLababsent no
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)absent no
Bill EtheringtonSunderland NorthLababsent no
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)absent no
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)absent no
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)absent no
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)absent no
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)absent no
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLababsent no
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)absent no
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)absent no
Margaret HodgeBarkingLababsent no
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)absent no
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)absent no
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)absent no
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)absent no
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLababsent no
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLababsent no
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)absent no
Martin LintonBatterseaLababsent no
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLababsent no
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)absent no
David MarshallGlasgow EastLababsent no
Anne McGuireStirlingLababsent no
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLababsent no
Alan MealeMansfieldLababsent no
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)absent no
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)absent no
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)absent no
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)absent no
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)absent no
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)absent no
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)absent no
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)absent no
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLababsent no
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)absent no
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)absent no
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLababsent no
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)absent no
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)absent no
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)absent no
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)absent no
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLababsent no
Betty WilliamsConwyLababsent no
Norman BakerLewesLDem (front bench)aye absent
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Paul BurstowSutton and CheamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Vincent CableTwickenhamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Paul HolmesChesterfieldLDem (front bench)aye absent
Martin HorwoodCheltenhamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Christopher HuhneEastleighLDem (front bench)aye absent
Greg MulhollandLeeds North WestLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alan ReidArgyll and ButeLDem (front bench)tellaye absent
Dan RogersonNorth CornwallLDem (front bench)tellaye absent
Robert SmithWest Aberdeenshire and KincardineLDem (front bench)aye absent
Matthew TaylorTruro and St AustellLDemaye absent
Mark WilliamsCeredigionLDem (front bench)aye absent
Phil WillisHarrogate and KnaresboroughLDem (front bench)aye absent
Jennifer WillottCardiff CentralLDem (front bench)aye absent
Richard Younger-RossTeignbridgeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)absent aye
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Hywel WilliamsCaernarfonPC (front bench)aye absent
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)aye absent
John MasonGlasgow EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)aye absent
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)aye absent
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)aye absent
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)aye absent

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 361 voted the same way, with 20 voting in opposite ways. There were 60 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 205 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
361
(361 + 20 + 0.2x205)
=
361
422
= 0.855 = 85.5 %.


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