Comparison of Divisions: Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat — 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 with Division No. 79 on 18 Feb 2008 at 21:15

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

Vote (b) (unedited): Delegated Legislation — Local Government - 18 Feb 2008 at 21:15 - Division No. 79

The House having divided: Ayes 287, Noes 116.

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their inverted vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Peter AinsworthEast SurreyCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard BaconSouth NorfolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Tony BaldryBanburyConaye absent
John BaronBillericayCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard BenyonNewburyCon (front bench)aye absent
Paul BeresfordMole ValleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Crispin BluntReigateCon (front bench)aye absent
Simon BurnsWest ChelmsfordCon (front bench)aye absent
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)aye absent
Patrick CormackSouth StaffordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen CrabbPreseli PembrokeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
David CurrySkipton and RiponCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)aye absent
Nadine DorriesMid BedfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Alan DuncanRutland and MeltonCon (front bench)aye absent
Iain Duncan SmithChingford and Woodford GreenConaye absent
David EvennettBexleyheath and CrayfordCon (front bench)aye absent
Christopher FraserSouth West NorfolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael GoveSurrey HeathCon (front bench)aye absent
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)aye absent
Damian GreenAshfordCon (front bench)aye absent
John GummerSuffolk CoastalConaye absent
William HagueRichmond (Yorks)Con (front bench)aye absent
Philip HammondRunnymede and WeybridgeCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen HammondWimbledonCon (front bench)aye absent
Douglas HoggSleaford and North HykehamCon (front bench)aye absent
John HowellHenleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Nick HurdRuislip - NorthwoodCon (front bench)aye absent
David JonesClwyd WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Robert KeySalisburyCon (front bench)aye absent
Jacqui LaitBeckenhamConaye absent
Peter LilleyHitchin and HarpendenConaye absent
David MacleanPenrith and The BorderCon (front bench)aye absent
Patrick MercerNewarkCon (front bench)aye absent
Maria MillerBasingstokeCon (front bench)aye absent
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)aye absent
James PaiceSouth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Mike PenningHemel HempsteadCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark PritchardThe WrekinCon (front bench)aye absent
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaConaye absent
Andrew RobathanBlabyCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew RosindellRomfordCon (front bench)aye absent
David RuffleyBury St EdmundsCon (front bench)aye absent
Lee ScottIlford NorthCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard ShepherdAldridge-BrownhillsCon (front bench)aye absent
Keith SimpsonMid NorfolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Nicholas SoamesMid SussexCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard SpringWest SuffolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Anthony SteenTotnesCon (front bench)aye absent
Graham StuartBeverley and HoldernessCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter TapsellLouth and HorncastleConaye absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew TyrieChichesterCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter ViggersGosportCon (front bench)aye absent
Theresa VilliersChipping BarnetCon (front bench)aye absent
Nigel WatersonEastbourneCon (front bench)aye absent
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConaye absent
David WillettsHavantCon (front bench)aye absent
Ann WintertonCongletonCon (front bench)aye absent
Nicholas WintertonMacclesfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)aye absent
George YoungNorth West HampshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)absent no
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenConabsent no
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)absent no
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)absent no
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)absent no
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)absent no
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)absent no
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent no
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)absent no
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Con (front bench)absent no
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)aye absent
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)aye absent
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)aye absent
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPaye absent
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentaye absent
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)aye absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye absent
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye aye
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye aye
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye aye
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye aye
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye aye
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye aye
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye aye
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye aye
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye aye
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye aye
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye aye
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye absent
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye absent
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)aye absent
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye absent
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye absent
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye absent
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye absent
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabaye absent
Douglas AlexanderPaisley and Renfrewshire SouthLab (minister)no absent
Graham AllenNottingham NorthLabno absent
David AndersonBlaydonLab (minister)no absent
Janet AndersonRossendale and DarwenLab (minister)no absent
Vera BairdRedcarLab (minister)no absent
Gordon BanksOchil and South PerthshireLab (minister)no absent
Hugh BayleyCity of YorkLab (minister)no absent
Stuart BellMiddlesbroughLab (minister)no absent
Roger BerryKingswoodLab (minister)no absent
David BlunkettSheffield, BrightsideLabno absent
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)no absent
Dawn ButlerBrent SouthLab (minister)no absent
David ChaytorBury NorthLab (minister)no absent
Paul ClarkGillinghamLab (minister)no absent
Michael ConnartyLinlithgow and East FalkirkLab (minister)no absent
David CrausbyBolton North EastLab (minister)no absent
Mary CreaghWakefieldLab (minister)no absent
John DenhamSouthampton, ItchenLab (minister)no absent
Jim DevineLivingstonLab (minister)no absent
Frank DobsonHolborn and St PancrasLabno absent
Natascha EngelNorth East DerbyshireLabno absent
Jeff EnnisBarnsley East and MexboroughLabno absent
Jim FitzpatrickPoplar and Canning TownLab (minister)no absent
Barry GardinerBrent NorthLabno absent
Paul GogginsWythenshawe and Sale EastLab (minister)no absent
Peter HainNeathLabno absent
Mark HendrickPrestonLab (minister)no absent
Patricia HewittLeicester WestLabno absent
Kim HowellsPontypriddLabno absent
John HuttonBarrow and FurnessLab (minister)no absent
Adam IngramEast Kilbride, Strathaven and LesmahagowLabno absent
Eric JoyceFalkirkLabno absent
Ruth KellyBolton WestLabno absent
David LammyTottenhamLab (minister)no absent
Gillian MerronLincolnLab (minister)no absent
Alan MilburnDarlingtonLabno absent
Margaret MoranLuton SouthLab (minister)no absent
Elliot MorleyScunthorpeLabno absent
George MudieLeeds EastLab (minister)no absent
James PurnellStalybridge and HydeLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLab (minister)no absent
Mohammad SarwarGlasgow CentralLab (minister)no absent
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLab (minister)no absent
Ian StewartEcclesLab (minister)no absent
Howard StoateDartfordLab (minister)no absent
Mark TamiAlyn and DeesideLab (minister)no absent
Gareth ThomasHarrow WestLab (minister)no absent
Emily ThornberryIslington South and FinsburyLab (minister)no absent
Don TouhigIslwynLab (minister)no absent
Kitty UssherBurnleyLab (minister)no absent
Claire WardWatfordLab (minister)tellno absent
Alan WilliamsSwansea WestLab (minister)no absent
Michael WillsNorth SwindonLab (minister)no absent
Phil WoolasOldham East and SaddleworthLab (minister)no absent
Tony WrightCannock ChaseLab (minister)no absent
Derek WyattSittingbourne and SheppeyLab (minister)no absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)both aye
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)absent aye
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)absent aye
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)absent aye
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLababsent aye
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)absent aye
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)absent aye
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Jon CruddasDagenhamLababsent aye
Claire Curtis-ThomasCrosbyLababsent aye
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)absent aye
Bill EtheringtonSunderland NorthLababsent aye
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)absent aye
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)absent aye
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)absent aye
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLababsent aye
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)absent aye
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)absent aye
Margaret HodgeBarkingLababsent aye
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)absent aye
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)absent aye
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)absent aye
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLababsent aye
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLababsent aye
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Martin LintonBatterseaLababsent aye
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)absent aye
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)absent aye
David MarshallGlasgow EastLababsent aye
Anne McGuireStirlingLababsent aye
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLababsent aye
Alan MealeMansfieldLababsent aye
David MilibandSouth ShieldsLab (minister)absent aye
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)absent aye
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)absent aye
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)absent aye
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)absent aye
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)absent aye
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLababsent aye
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)absent aye
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLababsent aye
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)absent aye
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)absent aye
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)absent aye
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)absent aye
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLababsent aye
Betty WilliamsConwyLababsent aye
Danny AlexanderInverness, Nairn, Badenoch and StrathspeyLDem (front bench)aye aye
Annette BrookeMid Dorset and North PooleLDem (front bench)aye aye
Edward DaveyKingston and SurbitonLDem (front bench)aye aye
Tim FarronWestmorland and LonsdaleLDem (front bench)aye aye
Don FosterBathLDem (front bench)aye aye
Evan HarrisOxford West and AbingdonLDem (front bench)aye aye
Nick HarveyNorth DevonLDem (front bench)aye aye
David HeathSomerton and FromeLDem (front bench)aye aye
John HemmingBirmingham, YardleyLDem (front bench)aye aye
Martin HorwoodCheltenhamLDem (front bench)aye aye
Simon HughesNorth Southwark and BermondseyLDem (front bench)aye aye
Susan KramerRichmond ParkLDemaye aye
Norman LambNorth NorfolkLDem (front bench)aye aye
David LawsYeovilLDem (front bench)aye aye
John LeechManchester, WithingtonLDem (front bench)aye aye
Michael MooreBerwickshire, Roxburgh and SelkirkLDem (front bench)aye aye
Greg MulhollandLeeds North WestLDem (front bench)aye aye
John PughSouthportLDem (front bench)aye aye
Willie RennieDunfermline and West FifeLDem (front bench)aye aye
Bob RussellColchesterLDem (front bench)aye aye
Sarah TeatherBrent EastLDem (front bench)aye aye
Mark WilliamsCeredigionLDem (front bench)aye aye
Stephen WilliamsBristol WestLDem (front bench)aye aye
Phil WillisHarrogate and KnaresboroughLDem (front bench)aye aye
Jennifer WillottCardiff CentralLDem (front bench)aye aye
Richard Younger-RossTeignbridgeLDem (front bench)aye aye
Norman BakerLewesLDem (front bench)aye absent
John BarrettEdinburgh WestLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alan BeithBerwick-upon-TweedLDem (front bench)aye absent
Tom BrakeCarshalton and WallingtonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Colin BreedSouth East CornwallLDem (front bench)aye absent
Jeremy BrowneTauntonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Paul BurstowSutton and CheamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Lorely BurtSolihullLDem (front bench)aye absent
Vincent CableTwickenhamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Lynne FeatherstoneHornsey and Wood GreenLDem (front bench)aye absent
Julia GoldsworthyFalmouth and CamborneLDem (front bench)aye absent
Paul HolmesChesterfieldLDem (front bench)aye absent
David HowarthCambridgeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Christopher HuhneEastleighLDem (front bench)aye absent
Mark HunterCheadleLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alan ReidArgyll and ButeLDem (front bench)tellaye absent
Dan RogersonNorth CornwallLDem (front bench)tellaye absent
Adrian SandersTorbayLDem (front bench)aye absent
Robert SmithWest Aberdeenshire and KincardineLDem (front bench)aye absent
Andrew StunellHazel GroveLDem (front bench)aye absent
Matthew TaylorTruro and St AustellLDemaye absent
John ThursoCaithness, Sutherland and Easter RossLDem (front bench)aye absent
Steve WebbNorthavonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Elfyn LlwydMeirionnydd Nant ConwyPC (front bench)aye absent
Adam PriceCarmarthen East and DinefwrPC (front bench)aye absent
Hywel WilliamsCaernarfonPC (front bench)aye absent
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)aye absent
John MasonGlasgow EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)aye absent
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)aye absent
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)aye absent
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)aye absent

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 647 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 44 voted the same way, with 300 voting in opposite ways. There were 69 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 234 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up on opposite sides. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
300
(300 + 44 + 0.2x234)
=
300
390.8
= 0.768 = 76.8 %.


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