Comparison of Divisions: Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat — 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 with Division No. 116 on 4 Mar 2008 at 22:30

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

Vote (b) : Lisbon Treaty — Clause on 'parliamentary control of decisions' to remain in the Bill - 4 Mar 2008 at 22:30 - Division No. 116

The majority Aye voters passed a motion[1] that confirmed the clauses on 'parliamentary control of decisions' (clause 6) and 'short title' (clause 7) should remain in the European Union (Amendment) Bill.

Clause 6 outlines which decisions made at the European Union (EU) level would have to be approved by parliament. This mainly relates to the passerelle clauses which enables the EU to make decisions on certain policy areas via qualified majority voting rather than unanimity.

The Tories were opposed to this clause because they felt that ministers:

  • 'in referring to clause 6, which is entitled "Parliamentary control of decisions", have tried to give the impression that what is happening here is a strengthening of parliamentary control. They refer to the fact that the House and the other place will have to vote on a motion to approve some of those changes, neglecting to point out that the status quo is that an Act of Parliament has to be passed to put through treaty changes.'[2]

However, the government argued that:

  • 'We went further in the Bill's provisions than any other Government anywhere in the European Union who are currently using the process of ratification. The Bill gives Parliament a power that is not given anywhere else in the treaty or for any of the passerelles: prior control over the Government's veto. The treaty does not give national Parliaments prior control of any passerelle decision and a parliamentary lock is set out in the treaty. The Bill also provides a parliamentary lock on six separate passerelles, which, under the treaty, have no parliamentary lock at all—'[3]

The European Union (Amendment) Bill implements the Lisbon Treaty into UK law. The main aims of the Lisbon Treaty were to[4]:

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their inverted vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

Sort by: Name | Constituency | Party | Vote (a) | Vote (b)

NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
David CurrySkipton and RiponCon (front bench)aye absent
John GummerSuffolk CoastalConaye absent
John HowellHenleyCon (front bench)aye absent
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard ShepherdAldridge-BrownhillsCon (front bench)aye absent
Ian TaylorEsher and WaltonConaye absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichCon (front bench)aye absent
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)absent aye
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)absent no
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)absent no
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)absent no
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)absent no
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenConabsent no
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConabsent no
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)absent no
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)absent no
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)absent no
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)absent no
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)absent no
Boris JohnsonHenleyCon (front bench)absent no
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)absent no
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)absent no
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)absent no
Michael MatesEast HampshireCon (front bench)absent no
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)absent no
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent no
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)absent no
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)absent no
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Con (front bench)absent no
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)absent no
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)absent no
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)aye absent
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
David SimpsonUpper BannDUP (front bench)absent no
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye absent
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye aye
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye aye
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye aye
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye aye
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye aye
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye aye
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye aye
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye aye
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye aye
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye aye
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye aye
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabaye aye
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye absent
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye absent
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye absent
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)aye absent
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye absent
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye absent
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye absent
Stuart BellMiddlesbroughLab (minister)no absent
David BlunkettSheffield, BrightsideLabno absent
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)no absent
Dawn ButlerBrent SouthLab (minister)no absent
Mary CreaghWakefieldLab (minister)no absent
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)no absent
Ian DavidsonGlasgow South WestLab (minister)no absent
David DrewStroudLab (minister)no absent
Natascha EngelNorth East DerbyshireLabno absent
Peter HainNeathLabno absent
Dai HavardMerthyr Tydfil and RhymneyLab (minister)no absent
Ian McCartneyMakerfieldLabno absent
Doug NaysmithBristol North WestLab (minister)no absent
Albert OwenYnys MônLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLab (minister)no absent
Joan RyanEnfield NorthLabno absent
Ian StewartEcclesLab (minister)no absent
Jack StrawBlackburnLab (minister)no absent
Graham StringerManchester, BlackleyLab (minister)no absent
Kitty UssherBurnleyLab (minister)no absent
Claire WardWatfordLab (minister)tellno absent
Tony WrightCannock ChaseLab (minister)no absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)both absent
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)absent aye
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)absent aye
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)absent aye
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)absent aye
Colin BurgonElmetLababsent aye
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLababsent aye
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)absent aye
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)absent aye
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)absent aye
Jon CruddasDagenhamLababsent aye
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)absent aye
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)absent aye
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)absent aye
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)absent aye
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)absent aye
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)absent aye
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)absent aye
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)absent aye
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)absent aye
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)absent aye
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)absent aye
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)absent aye
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLababsent aye
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLababsent aye
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Martin LintonBatterseaLababsent aye
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)absent aye
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)absent aye
David MarshallGlasgow EastLababsent aye
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLababsent aye
Anne McGuireStirlingLababsent aye
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLababsent aye
David MilibandSouth ShieldsLab (minister)absent aye
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)absent aye
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)absent aye
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)absent aye
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)absent aye
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLababsent aye
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)absent aye
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)absent aye
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)absent aye
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)absent aye
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)absent aye
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLababsent aye
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)absent aye
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)absent aye
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)absent aye
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLababsent aye
Betty WilliamsConwyLababsent aye
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)absent aye
Danny AlexanderInverness, Nairn, Badenoch and StrathspeyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Norman BakerLewesLDem (front bench)aye absent
John BarrettEdinburgh WestLDem (front bench)aye absent
Colin BreedSouth East CornwallLDem (front bench)aye absent
Lorely BurtSolihullLDem (front bench)aye absent
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Lynne FeatherstoneHornsey and Wood GreenLDem (front bench)aye absent
Don FosterBathLDem (front bench)aye absent
Julia GoldsworthyFalmouth and CamborneLDem (front bench)aye absent
Evan HarrisOxford West and AbingdonLDem (front bench)aye absent
David LawsYeovilLDem (front bench)aye absent
John PughSouthportLDem (front bench)aye absent
Dan RogersonNorth CornwallLDem (front bench)tellaye absent
John ThursoCaithness, Sutherland and Easter RossLDem (front bench)aye absent
Phil WillisHarrogate and KnaresboroughLDem (front bench)aye absent
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)absent no
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)absent no
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)absent no
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)absent no
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)absent no
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)aye absent
Eddie McGradySouth DownSDLPabsent aye
John MasonGlasgow EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)absent no
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)aye absent

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 19 voted the same way, with 436 voting in opposite ways. There were 46 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 145 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up on opposite sides. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
436
(436 + 19 + 0.2x145)
=
436
484
= 0.901 = 90.1 %.


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