Comparison of Divisions: Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat — 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 with Division No. 229 on 24 Jun 2008 at 21:51

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

Vote (b) (unedited): Opposition Day — [15th Allotted Day] — NHS (60th Anniversary) - 24 Jun 2008 at 21:51 - Division No. 229

I beg to move,

That this House celebrates 60 years of the NHS; recognises the support from all political parties for the NHS during that time; is grateful to NHS staff, past and present, who are the key to its success; commends their commitment and expertise in delivering patient care in often difficult circumstances; acknowledges the unique contribution of volunteers and charitable organisations; is committed to providing the NHS with the funding it needs to deliver European standards of healthcare to all; and recognises an opportunity in future to make the NHS more patient-centred by focusing on outcomes.

I beg to move, To leave out from "all;" to the end of the Question, and to add instead thereof:

"recognises an opportunity to make the NHS more patient-centred by focussing on outcomes; further recognises the defining contribution the NHS has made to the health and wellbeing of the nation since 1948; acknowledges that the principles upon which the NHS was established, funded by general taxation and free at the point of delivery, are immutable; accepts that target reductions in waiting times have significantly improved services to patients; and looks forward to the next 60 years of the NHS characterised by world-class quality healthcare as well as greater personalisation, individual choice and easier access to services.".

Question put, That the original words stand part of the Question:-

The House divided: Ayes 189, Noes 286.

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Michael AncramDevizesCon (front bench)aye absent
James ArbuthnotNorth East HampshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard BaconSouth NorfolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard BenyonNewburyCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter BottomleyWorthing WestCon (front bench)aye absent
James BrokenshireHornchurchCon (front bench)aye absent
Angela BrowningTiverton and HonitonCon (front bench)aye absent
Alistair BurtNorth East BedfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)aye absent
Bill CashStoneCon (front bench)aye absent
Christopher ChopeChristchurchCon (front bench)aye absent
Greg ClarkTunbridge WellsCon (front bench)aye absent
Geoffrey Clifton-BrownCotswoldCon (front bench)aye absent
Patrick CormackSouth StaffordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
David CurrySkipton and RiponCon (front bench)aye absent
Alan DuncanRutland and MeltonCon (front bench)aye absent
Philip DunneLudlowCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael FabricantLichfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
Liam FoxWoodspringCon (front bench)aye absent
Roger GaleNorth ThanetCon (front bench)aye absent
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)aye absent
Adam HollowayGraveshamCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael HowardFolkestone and HytheConaye absent
Gerald HowarthAldershotCon (front bench)aye absent
John HowellHenleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Bernard JenkinNorth EssexCon (front bench)aye absent
Edward LeighGainsboroughCon (front bench)aye absent
David LidingtonAylesburyCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter LilleyHitchin and HarpendenConaye absent
Theresa MayMaidenheadCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew MitchellSutton ColdfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)aye absent
Eric PicklesBrentwood and OngarCon (front bench)aye absent
David RuffleyBury St EdmundsCon (front bench)aye absent
Lee ScottIlford NorthCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard ShepherdAldridge-BrownhillsCon (front bench)aye absent
Nicholas SoamesMid SussexCon (front bench)aye absent
David TredinnickBosworthConaye absent
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConaye absent
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)absent aye
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)absent aye
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)absent aye
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)absent aye
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)absent aye
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael MatesEast HampshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)absent aye
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)absent aye
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)aye absent
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
David SimpsonUpper BannDUP (front bench)absent aye
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentaye no
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye absent
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye no
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye no
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye no
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye no
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye no
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye no
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)aye no
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye no
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye no
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye no
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye no
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye no
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye no
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye no
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye no
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye no
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye no
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye no
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye no
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye no
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye no
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye absent
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye absent
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye absent
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye absent
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabaye absent
Bob AinsworthCoventry North EastLab (minister)no absent
Charlotte AtkinsStaffordshire MoorlandsLab (minister)no absent
Kevin BarronRother ValleyLab (minister)no absent
Hugh BayleyCity of YorkLab (minister)no absent
Stuart BellMiddlesbroughLab (minister)no absent
David BorrowSouth RibbleLab (minister)no absent
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)no absent
Des BrowneKilmarnock and LoudounLabno absent
Dawn ButlerBrent SouthLab (minister)no absent
Paul ClarkGillinghamLab (minister)no absent
Yvette CooperPontefract and CastlefordLab (minister)no absent
David CrausbyBolton North EastLab (minister)no absent
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)no absent
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)no absent
Natascha EngelNorth East DerbyshireLabno absent
Jim FitzpatrickPoplar and Canning TownLab (minister)no absent
John GroganSelbyLab (minister)no absent
Dai HavardMerthyr Tydfil and RhymneyLab (minister)no absent
Kevan JonesNorth DurhamLab (minister)no absent
David LammyTottenhamLab (minister)no absent
Fiona MactaggartSloughLab (minister)no absent
Shahid MalikDewsburyLab (minister)no absent
Ian McCartneyMakerfieldLabno absent
Rosemary McKennaCumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch EastLab (minister)no absent
Tony McNultyHarrow EastLab (minister)no absent
Alan MilburnDarlingtonLabno absent
Jim MurphyEast RenfrewshireLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLab (minister)no absent
Andrew SlaughterEaling, Acton and Shepherd's BushLab (minister)no absent
John SmithVale of GlamorganLab (minister)no absent
Emily ThornberryIslington South and FinsburyLab (minister)no absent
Derek TwiggHaltonLab (minister)no absent
Kitty UssherBurnleyLab (minister)no absent
Claire WardWatfordLab (minister)tellno absent
Derek WyattSittingbourne and SheppeyLab (minister)no absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)both no
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)absent no
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)absent no
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)absent no
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)absent no
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)absent no
Colin BurgonElmetLababsent no
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLababsent no
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLababsent no
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)absent no
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)absent no
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)absent no
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLab (minister)absent no
Frank CookStockton NorthLab (minister)absent no
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)absent no
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)absent no
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLababsent no
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)absent no
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)absent no
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)absent no
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)absent no
Margaret HodgeBarkingLababsent no
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)absent no
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)absent no
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)absent no
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)absent no
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)absent no
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLababsent no
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLababsent no
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)absent no
Martin LintonBatterseaLababsent no
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)absent no
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)absent no
Anne McGuireStirlingLababsent no
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLababsent no
David MilibandSouth ShieldsLab (minister)absent no
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)absent no
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)absent no
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)absent no
Kali MountfordColne ValleyLab (minister)absent no
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)absent no
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)absent no
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)absent no
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLababsent no
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)absent no
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)absent no
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)absent no
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)absent no
Betty WilliamsConwyLababsent no
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)absent no
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)absent no
Norman BakerLewesLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alan BeithBerwick-upon-TweedLDem (front bench)aye absent
Tom BrakeCarshalton and WallingtonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Lorely BurtSolihullLDem (front bench)aye absent
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Edward DaveyKingston and SurbitonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Julia GoldsworthyFalmouth and CamborneLDem (front bench)aye absent
Evan HarrisOxford West and AbingdonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Paul HolmesChesterfieldLDem (front bench)aye absent
Simon HughesNorth Southwark and BermondseyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Christopher HuhneEastleighLDem (front bench)aye absent
Michael MooreBerwickshire, Roxburgh and SelkirkLDem (front bench)aye absent
Sarah TeatherBrent EastLDem (front bench)aye absent
Mark WilliamsCeredigionLDem (front bench)aye absent
Phil WillisHarrogate and KnaresboroughLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)absent aye
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Adam PriceCarmarthen East and DinefwrPC (front bench)aye absent
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)aye absent
Mark DurkanFoyleSDLP (front bench)absent no
Eddie McGradySouth DownSDLPabsent no
John MasonGlasgow EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)aye absent
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)aye absent
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst UKIP (front bench)absent no
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)aye absent

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 384 voted the same way, with 23 voting in opposite ways. There were 59 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 180 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
384
(384 + 23 + 0.2x180)
=
384
443
= 0.867 = 86.7 %.


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