Comparison of Divisions: Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat — 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 with Division No. 240 on 1 Jul 2008 at 18:15

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

Vote (b) : Orders of the Day — Clause 3 — Abolition of starting and savings rates and creation of starting rate for savings - 1 Jul 2008 at 18:15 - Division No. 240

The majority of MPs rejected an amendment that would have compelled the Chancellor of the Exchequer to provide the Commons with an assessment of the effect of the Finance Bill 2008 on those of low-income.

Specifically, Jeremy Browne, the Liberal Democrat Shadow Chief Secretary to the Treasury, wanted to know about the combined impact on individuals with a gross income under £13,000 per annum of:

(a) the increase in personal allowances, and

(b) the abolition of the starting rate of income tax.

The abolition of the 10p rate for the lowest earners had been first announced in the 2007 budget, along with a surprise 2p cut in the basic rate of income tax to 20p in the pound but there was continuing concern that this would severely effect those on the lowest incomes. (See here for more detail).

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Peter AinsworthEast SurreyCon (front bench)aye absent
Sir David AmessSouthend WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael AncramDevizesCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard BaconSouth NorfolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Paul BeresfordMole ValleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Crispin BluntReigateCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter BoneWellingboroughCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter BottomleyWorthing WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Graham BradyAltrincham and Sale WestCon (front bench)aye absent
James BrokenshireHornchurchCon (front bench)aye absent
Simon BurnsWest ChelmsfordCon (front bench)aye absent
David BurrowesEnfield, SouthgateCon (front bench)aye absent
Alistair BurtNorth East BedfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)aye absent
Douglas CarswellHarwichCon (front bench)aye absent
Bill CashStoneCon (front bench)aye absent
Greg ClarkTunbridge WellsCon (front bench)aye absent
Geoffrey Clifton-BrownCotswoldCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen CrabbPreseli PembrokeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
David CurrySkipton and RiponCon (front bench)aye absent
David DaviesMonmouthCon (front bench)aye absent
Jonathan DjanoglyHuntingdonCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)aye absent
Nadine DorriesMid BedfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Alan DuncanRutland and MeltonCon (front bench)aye absent
Iain Duncan SmithChingford and Woodford GreenConaye absent
Mark FieldCities of London and WestminsterCon (front bench)aye absent
Liam FoxWoodspringCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark FrancoisRayleighCon (front bench)aye absent
Roger GaleNorth ThanetCon (front bench)aye absent
Dame Cheryl GillanChesham and AmershamCon (front bench)aye absent
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)aye absent
Dominic GrieveBeaconsfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen HammondWimbledonCon (front bench)aye absent
Charles HendryWealdenCon (front bench)aye absent
Nick HerbertArundel and South DownsCon (front bench)aye absent
Philip HolloboneKetteringCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael HowardFolkestone and HytheConaye absent
Gerald HowarthAldershotCon (front bench)aye absent
Jeremy HuntSouth West SurreyCon (front bench)aye absent
Eleanor LaingEpping ForestCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew LansleySouth CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Edward LeighGainsboroughCon (front bench)aye absent
Julian LewisNew Forest EastCon (front bench)aye absent
Ian Liddell-GraingerBridgwaterCon (front bench)aye absent
David LidingtonAylesburyCon (front bench)aye absent
Tim LoughtonEast Worthing and ShorehamCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew MacKayBracknellCon (front bench)aye absent
David MacleanPenrith and The BorderCon (front bench)aye absent
Anne MainSt AlbansCon (front bench)aye absent
Patrick McLoughlinWest DerbyshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Patrick MercerNewarkCon (front bench)aye absent
Bob NeillBromley and ChislehurstCon (front bench)aye absent
Mike PenningHemel HempsteadCon (front bench)aye absent
Eric PicklesBrentwood and OngarCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark PritchardThe WrekinCon (front bench)aye absent
John RedwoodWokinghamConaye absent
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaConaye absent
Andrew RosindellRomfordCon (front bench)aye absent
David RuffleyBury St EdmundsCon (front bench)aye absent
Lee ScottIlford NorthCon (front bench)aye absent
Grant ShappsWelwyn HatfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard ShepherdAldridge-BrownhillsCon (front bench)aye absent
Caroline SpelmanMeridenCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard SpringWest SuffolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Gary StreeterSouth West DevonCon (front bench)aye absent
Graham StuartBeverley and HoldernessCon (front bench)aye absent
Desmond SwayneNew Forest WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Robert SymsPooleCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter TapsellLouth and HorncastleConaye absent
David TredinnickBosworthConaye absent
Andrew TurnerIsle of WightCon (front bench)aye absent
Ed VaizeyWantageCon (front bench)aye absent
Shailesh VaraNorth West CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Theresa VilliersChipping BarnetCon (front bench)aye absent
Ben WallaceLancaster and WyreCon (front bench)aye absent
Nigel WatersonEastbourneCon (front bench)aye absent
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConaye absent
David WillettsHavantCon (front bench)aye absent
Ann WintertonCongletonCon (front bench)aye absent
Nicholas WintertonMacclesfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)absent aye
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)absent aye
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)absent aye
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)absent aye
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)absent aye
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael MatesEast HampshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)absent aye
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)absent aye
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)aye absent
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)aye absent
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)aye absent
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPaye absent
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
David SimpsonUpper BannDUP (front bench)absent aye
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentaye no
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye absent
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye no
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye no
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye no
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye no
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye no
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye no
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)aye no
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye no
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye no
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye no
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye no
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye no
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye no
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye no
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye no
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye no
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye no
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye no
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye no
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye no
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye absent
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye absent
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye absent
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye absent
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye absent
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye absent
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabaye absent
Douglas AlexanderPaisley and Renfrewshire SouthLab (minister)no absent
Charlotte AtkinsStaffordshire MoorlandsLab (minister)no absent
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)no absent
Lyn BrownWest HamLabno absent
Dawn ButlerBrent SouthLab (minister)no absent
Colin ChallenMorley and RothwellLab (minister)no absent
Michael ConnartyLinlithgow and East FalkirkLab (minister)no absent
Janet DeanBurtonLab (minister)no absent
Andrew DismoreHendonLab (minister)no absent
Natascha EngelNorth East DerbyshireLabno absent
Hywel FrancisAberavonLab (minister)no absent
Bruce GeorgeWalsall SouthLabno absent
John GroganSelbyLab (minister)no absent
Mark HendrickPrestonLab (minister)no absent
Alan JohnsonKingston upon Hull West and HessleLab (minister)no absent
Andrew MillerEllesmere Port and NestonLab (minister)no absent
Margaret MoranLuton SouthLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLab (minister)no absent
Jonathan R ShawChatham and AylesfordLab (minister)no absent
Andrew SlaughterEaling, Acton and Shepherd's BushLab (minister)no absent
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLab (minister)no absent
John SmithVale of GlamorganLab (minister)no absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)both no
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)absent no
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)absent no
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)absent no
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)absent no
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)absent no
Colin BurgonElmetLababsent no
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLababsent no
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLababsent no
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLababsent no
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)absent no
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)absent no
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)absent no
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLab (minister)absent no
Claire Curtis-ThomasCrosbyLababsent no
Bill EtheringtonSunderland NorthLababsent no
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)absent no
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)absent no
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)absent no
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)absent no
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLababsent no
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)absent no
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)absent no
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)absent no
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLababsent no
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)absent no
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)absent no
Margaret HodgeBarkingLababsent no
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)absent no
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)absent no
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)absent no
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)absent no
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLababsent no
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)absent no
Martin LintonBatterseaLababsent no
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLababsent no
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)absent no
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)absent no
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLababsent no
Anne McGuireStirlingLababsent no
David MilibandSouth ShieldsLab (minister)absent no
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)absent no
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)absent no
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)absent no
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)absent no
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)absent no
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)absent no
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)absent no
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLababsent no
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)absent no
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)absent no
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLababsent no
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)absent no
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)absent no
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)absent no
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLababsent no
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)absent no
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)absent no
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)absent no
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLababsent no
Betty WilliamsConwyLababsent no
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)absent no
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)aye absent
David HeathSomerton and FromeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Michael MooreBerwickshire, Roxburgh and SelkirkLDem (front bench)aye absent
Phil WillisHarrogate and KnaresboroughLDem (front bench)aye absent
Richard Younger-RossTeignbridgeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)absent aye
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)absent aye
Mark OatenWinchesterLDem (front bench)absent aye
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)absent tellaye
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)aye absent
Mark DurkanFoyleSDLP (front bench)absent no
John MasonGlasgow EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst UKIP (front bench)absent aye
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)aye absent

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 367 voted the same way, with 21 voting in opposite ways. There were 47 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 211 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
367
(367 + 21 + 0.2x211)
=
367
430.2
= 0.853 = 85.3 %.


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