Comparison of Divisions: Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat — 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 with Division No. 268 on 7 Oct 2008 at 18:41

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Vote (a) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

Vote (b) : Government's Fiscal Rules — new fiscal framework — rejected - 7 Oct 2008 at 18:41 - Division No. 268

The majority of MPs voted against the motion, which read:[1]

  • This House
  • notes with concern the successive criticisms by the IMF, the EU and the OECD of the state of the UK's public finances;
  • further notes that the Government are reviewing the fiscal rules and calls on the Government to announce the outcome of that review first to this House;
  • further calls on the Government to clarify whether or not the Sustainable Investment rule will be met and to implement a full and independent review of the public finances, including off-balance sheet liabilities under the private finance initiative and public sector pension schemes; and
  • further calls for the fiscal rules to be scrapped and replaced with a forward-looking fiscal framework with an independent mechanism for monitoring and assessing the sustainability of the Government's fiscal position.

In its place an alternative motion was proposed:

  • This House
  • notes that the purpose of the fiscal framework is to smooth the path of the economy in the short term, to secure sustainable public finances in the medium term and to ensure that spending and taxation impact fairly between generations;
  • recognises the success of the framework over the past decade, reversing historical under-investment in the infrastructure of public services, reducing debt from 43 per cent. of GDP in 1997 to below 37 per cent. last year and allowing borrowing to increase this year in order to support the economy;
  • welcomes the £4 billion of tax cuts helping families and businesses this year;
  • further notes the turmoil in the world economy and financial markets;
  • recognises that Government is rightly focused on the turbulence in the financial markets and helping families and businesses with the twin shocks of the credit crunch and high commodity prices; and
  • welcomes the Government's commitment to take whatever steps are necessary to protect the stability of the financial system.

which passed without a further vote.

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Michael AncramDevizesCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard BaconSouth NorfolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Crispin BluntReigateCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter BottomleyWorthing WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Graham BradyAltrincham and Sale WestCon (front bench)aye absent
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)aye absent
Philip DunneLudlowCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael FallonSevenoaksCon (front bench)aye absent
Liam FoxWoodspringCon (front bench)aye absent
Christopher FraserSouth West NorfolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Damian GreenAshfordCon (front bench)aye absent
Adam HollowayGraveshamCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael HowardFolkestone and HytheConaye absent
Daniel KawczynskiShrewsbury and AtchamCon (front bench)aye absent
Julian LewisNew Forest EastCon (front bench)aye absent
Patrick MercerNewarkCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew MurrisonWestburyCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard OttawayCroydon SouthCon (front bench)aye absent
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaConaye absent
Richard SpringWest SuffolkCon (front bench)aye absent
David TredinnickBosworthConaye absent
Nicholas WintertonMacclesfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)absent aye
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)absent aye
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)absent aye
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)absent aye
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)absent aye
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConabsent aye
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)absent aye
John GreenwayRyedaleConabsent aye
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)absent aye
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)absent aye
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)absent aye
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)absent aye
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)absent aye
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)absent aye
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)absent aye
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)absent aye
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)absent aye
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)aye absent
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)aye absent
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)aye absent
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPaye absent
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentaye no
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye absent
Derek ConwayOld Bexley and Sidcupwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye no
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye no
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye no
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye no
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye no
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye no
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye no
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)aye no
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye no
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye no
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye no
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye no
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye no
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye no
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye no
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye no
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye no
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye no
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye no
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye no
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye no
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye no
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye no
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye absent
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye absent
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye absent
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabaye absent
Nick AingerCarmarthen West and South PembrokeshireLab (minister)no absent
Bob AinsworthCoventry North EastLab (minister)no absent
Gordon BanksOchil and South PerthshireLab (minister)no absent
Margaret BeckettDerby SouthLab (minister)no absent
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)no absent
Andy BurnhamLeighLab (minister)no absent
Ben ChapmanWirral SouthLab (minister)no absent
Jim CousinsNewcastle upon Tyne CentralLab (minister)no absent
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)no absent
Paul GogginsWythenshawe and Sale EastLab (minister)no absent
David HamiltonMidlothianLab (minister)no absent
Stephen HepburnJarrowLab (minister)no absent
Adam IngramEast Kilbride, Strathaven and LesmahagowLabno absent
Ann KeenBrentford and IsleworthLab (minister)no absent
Ruth KellyBolton WestLabno absent
Andrew LoveEdmontonLab (minister)no absent
Ian McCartneyMakerfieldLabno absent
John McFallWest DunbartonshireLab (minister)no absent
Jim McGovernDundee WestLab (minister)no absent
Alan MilburnDarlingtonLabno absent
Margaret MoranLuton SouthLab (minister)no absent
Jessica MordenNewport EastLab (minister)no absent
Jim MurphyEast RenfrewshireLab (minister)no absent
Gwyn ProsserDoverLab (minister)no absent
Ken PurchaseWolverhampton North EastLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLab (minister)no absent
John SmithVale of GlamorganLab (minister)no absent
Dari TaylorStockton SouthLab (minister)no absent
Gareth ThomasHarrow WestLab (minister)no absent
Derek WyattSittingbourne and SheppeyLab (minister)no absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)both no
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)absent no
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)absent no
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)absent no
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)absent no
Colin BurgonElmetLababsent no
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLababsent no
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLababsent no
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLababsent no
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)absent no
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)absent no
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)absent no
Jon CruddasDagenhamLababsent no
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)absent no
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)absent no
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)absent no
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)absent no
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)absent no
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)absent no
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLababsent no
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)absent no
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)absent no
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)absent no
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)absent no
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)absent no
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)absent no
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)absent no
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)absent no
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLababsent no
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)absent no
Martin LintonBatterseaLababsent no
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLababsent no
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLababsent no
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)absent no
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)absent no
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLababsent no
Anne McGuireStirlingLababsent no
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLababsent no
David MilibandSouth ShieldsLab (minister)absent no
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)absent no
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)absent no
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)absent no
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)absent no
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)absent no
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLababsent no
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)absent no
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)absent no
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)absent no
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)absent no
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLababsent no
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)absent no
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)absent no
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)absent no
Betty WilliamsConwyLababsent no
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)absent no
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)absent no
Danny AlexanderInverness, Nairn, Badenoch and StrathspeyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Norman BakerLewesLDem (front bench)aye absent
Paul BurstowSutton and CheamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Vincent CableTwickenhamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Simon HughesNorth Southwark and BermondseyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Michael MooreBerwickshire, Roxburgh and SelkirkLDem (front bench)aye absent
Greg MulhollandLeeds North WestLDem (front bench)aye absent
Steve WebbNorthavonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Phil WillisHarrogate and KnaresboroughLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)absent aye
Mark OatenWinchesterLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)aye absent
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)aye absent
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst UKIP (front bench)absent both
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)aye absent

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 413 voted the same way, with 24 voting in opposite ways. There were 48 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 161 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
413
(413 + 24 + 0.2x161)
=
413
469.2
= 0.880 = 88.0 %.


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