Comparison of Divisions: Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat — 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 with Division No. 306 on 3 Nov 2008 at 16:30

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

Vote (b) (unedited): Orders of the Day — New Clause 3 — Review and report to Parliament - 3 Nov 2008 at 16:30 - Division No. 306

I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

Question put, That the clause be read a Second time:-

The House divided: Ayes 236, Noes 185.

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their inverted vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Michael AncramDevizesCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter AtkinsonHexhamCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard BaconSouth NorfolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Tony BaldryBanburyConaye absent
Gregory BarkerBexhill and BattleCon (front bench)aye absent
Angela BrowningTiverton and HonitonCon (front bench)aye absent
Alistair BurtNorth East BedfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Bill CashStoneCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)aye absent
James DuddridgeRochford and Southend EastCon (front bench)aye absent
Alan DuncanRutland and MeltonCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark FieldCities of London and WestminsterCon (front bench)aye absent
Edward GarnierHarboroughCon (front bench)aye absent
Robert GoodwillScarborough and WhitbyCon (front bench)aye absent
John GummerSuffolk CoastalConaye absent
William HagueRichmond (Yorks)Con (front bench)aye absent
John HayesSouth Holland and The DeepingsCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael HowardFolkestone and HytheConaye absent
John HowellHenleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Jeremy HuntSouth West SurreyCon (front bench)aye absent
Daniel KawczynskiShrewsbury and AtchamCon (front bench)aye absent
Greg KnightEast YorkshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark LancasterNorth East Milton KeynesCon (front bench)aye absent
David MacleanPenrith and The BorderCon (front bench)aye absent
Patrick MercerNewarkCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard OttawayCroydon SouthCon (front bench)aye absent
James PaiceSouth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
John PenroseWeston-Super-MareCon (front bench)aye absent
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaConaye absent
Lee ScottIlford NorthCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard ShepherdAldridge-BrownhillsCon (front bench)aye absent
Caroline SpelmanMeridenCon (front bench)aye absent
Hugo SwireEast DevonConaye absent
Ian TaylorEsher and WaltonConaye absent
Peter ViggersGosportCon (front bench)aye absent
Ben WallaceLancaster and WyreCon (front bench)aye absent
Rob WilsonReading EastCon (front bench)aye absent
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)absent no
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)absent no
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)absent no
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)absent no
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)absent no
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenConabsent no
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)absent no
John GreenwayRyedaleConabsent no
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)absent no
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)absent no
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)absent no
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)absent no
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)absent no
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)absent no
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)absent no
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent no
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)absent no
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)absent no
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)aye absent
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)aye absent
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)aye absent
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPaye absent
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentaye aye
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye aye
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye aye
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye aye
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye aye
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye aye
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)aye aye
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye aye
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye aye
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye aye
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye aye
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye aye
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye aye
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye absent
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye absent
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye absent
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye absent
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye absent
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye absent
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabaye absent
David AndersonBlaydonLab (minister)no absent
Edward BallsNormantonLab (minister)no absent
Gordon BanksOchil and South PerthshireLab (minister)no absent
Anne BeggAberdeen SouthLab (minister)no absent
Stuart BellMiddlesbroughLab (minister)no absent
Joe BentonBootleLab (minister)no absent
Roberta Blackman-WoodsCity of DurhamLab (minister)no absent
David BorrowSouth RibbleLab (minister)no absent
Ben BradshawExeterLab (minister)no absent
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)no absent
Russell BrownDumfries and GallowayLab (minister)no absent
Des BrowneKilmarnock and LoudounLabno absent
Andy BurnhamLeighLab (minister)no absent
Colin ChallenMorley and RothwellLab (minister)no absent
Ben ChapmanWirral SouthLab (minister)no absent
David ChaytorBury NorthLab (minister)no absent
Tom ClarkeCoatbridge, Chryston and BellshillLab (minister)no absent
Ann ClwydCynon ValleyLab (minister)no absent
Michael ConnartyLinlithgow and East FalkirkLab (minister)no absent
Ian DavidsonGlasgow South WestLab (minister)no absent
Jim DevineLivingstonLab (minister)no absent
Parmjit DhandaGloucesterLabno absent
Frank DobsonHolborn and St PancrasLabno absent
Frank DoranAberdeen NorthLab (minister)no absent
Louise EllmanLiverpool, RiversideLab (minister)no absent
Caroline FlintDon ValleyLab (minister)no absent
Barbara FollettStevenageLab (minister)no absent
Michael Jabez FosterHastings and RyeLab (minister)no absent
Hywel FrancisAberavonLab (minister)no absent
Bruce GeorgeWalsall SouthLabno absent
Paul GogginsWythenshawe and Sale EastLab (minister)no absent
Nigel GriffithsEdinburgh SouthLab (minister)no absent
David HamiltonMidlothianLab (minister)no absent
Tom HarrisGlasgow SouthLabno absent
Mark HendrickPrestonLab (minister)no absent
Patricia HewittLeicester WestLabno absent
Sharon HodgsonGateshead East and Washington WestLab (minister)no absent
Phil HopeCorbyLab (minister)no absent
George HowarthKnowsley North and Sefton EastLab (minister)no absent
Kim HowellsPontypriddLabno absent
Beverley HughesStretford and UrmstonLab (minister)no absent
Tessa JowellDulwich and West NorwoodLab (minister)no absent
Barbara KeeleyWorsleyLab (minister)no absent
Jane KennedyLiverpool, WavertreeLab (minister)no absent
Jim KnightSouth DorsetLab (minister)no absent
Mark LazarowiczEdinburgh North and LeithLab (minister)no absent
Kerry McCarthyBristol EastLabno absent
Pat McFaddenWolverhampton South EastLab (minister)no absent
Jim McGovernDundee WestLab (minister)no absent
Rosemary McKennaCumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch EastLab (minister)no absent
Gillian MerronLincolnLab (minister)no absent
Alan MilburnDarlingtonLabno absent
Laura MoffattCrawleyLabno absent
Margaret MoranLuton SouthLab (minister)no absent
Jessica MordenNewport EastLab (minister)no absent
Jim MurphyEast RenfrewshireLab (minister)no absent
Gordon PrenticePendleLab (minister)no absent
Ken PurchaseWolverhampton North EastLab (minister)no absent
Terry RooneyBradford NorthLab (minister)no absent
Frank RoyMotherwell and WishawLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLab (minister)no absent
Mohammad SarwarGlasgow CentralLab (minister)no absent
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLab (minister)no absent
Jacqui SmithRedditchLab (minister)no absent
John SmithVale of GlamorganLab (minister)no absent
Peter SoulsbyLeicester SouthLab (minister)no absent
Ian StewartEcclesLab (minister)no absent
Howard StoateDartfordLab (minister)no absent
Graham StringerManchester, BlackleyLab (minister)no absent
Dari TaylorStockton SouthLab (minister)no absent
Stephen TimmsEast HamLab (minister)no absent
Desmond TurnerBrighton, KemptownLab (minister)no absent
Joan WalleyStoke-on-Trent NorthLab (minister)no absent
Lynda WalthoStourbridgeLab (minister)no absent
Tom WatsonWest Bromwich EastLab (minister)no absent
Alan WhiteheadSouthampton, TestLab (minister)no absent
Malcolm WicksCroydon NorthLabno absent
David WrightTelfordLab (minister)no absent
Iain WrightHartlepoolLab (minister)no absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)both aye
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)absent aye
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)absent aye
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)absent aye
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)absent aye
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLababsent aye
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLababsent aye
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)absent aye
Frank CookStockton NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Jon CruddasDagenhamLababsent aye
Claire Curtis-ThomasCrosbyLababsent aye
Bill EtheringtonSunderland NorthLababsent aye
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)absent aye
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLababsent aye
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)absent aye
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)absent aye
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)absent aye
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)absent aye
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)absent aye
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)absent aye
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)absent aye
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)absent aye
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLababsent aye
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Martin LintonBatterseaLababsent aye
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLababsent aye
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)absent aye
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)absent aye
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLababsent aye
Alan MealeMansfieldLababsent aye
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)absent aye
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)absent aye
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)absent aye
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)absent aye
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)absent aye
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLababsent aye
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)absent aye
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)absent aye
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)absent aye
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)absent aye
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLababsent aye
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)absent aye
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)absent aye
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)absent aye
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLababsent aye
Betty WilliamsConwyLababsent aye
Norman BakerLewesLDem (front bench)aye absent
John BarrettEdinburgh WestLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alan BeithBerwick-upon-TweedLDem (front bench)aye absent
Tom BrakeCarshalton and WallingtonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Paul BurstowSutton and CheamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Lorely BurtSolihullLDem (front bench)aye absent
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Tim FarronWestmorland and LonsdaleLDem (front bench)aye absent
Lynne FeatherstoneHornsey and Wood GreenLDem (front bench)aye absent
Andrew GeorgeSt IvesLDem (front bench)aye absent
David HeathSomerton and FromeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Martin HorwoodCheltenhamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Mark HunterCheadleLDem (front bench)aye absent
David LawsYeovilLDem (front bench)aye absent
Michael MooreBerwickshire, Roxburgh and SelkirkLDem (front bench)aye absent
Greg MulhollandLeeds North WestLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alan ReidArgyll and ButeLDem (front bench)tellaye absent
Willie RennieDunfermline and West FifeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Robert SmithWest Aberdeenshire and KincardineLDem (front bench)aye absent
Mark WilliamsCeredigionLDem (front bench)aye absent
Jennifer WillottCardiff CentralLDem (front bench)aye absent
Richard Younger-RossTeignbridgeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Mark OatenWinchesterLDem (front bench)absent no
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)absent no
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)absent no
Adam PriceCarmarthen East and DinefwrPC (front bench)aye absent
Hywel WilliamsCaernarfonPC (front bench)aye absent
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)aye absent
John MasonGlasgow EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)aye absent
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)aye absent
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst UKIP (front bench)absent no
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)aye absent

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 20 voted the same way, with 334 voting in opposite ways. There were 60 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 232 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up on opposite sides. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
334
(334 + 20 + 0.2x232)
=
334
400.4
= 0.834 = 83.4 %.


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