Comparison of Divisions: Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat — 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 with Division No. 9 on 17 Dec 2008 at 16:05

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

Vote (b) : Reduction of VAT from 17.5% to 15% - 17 Dec 2008 at 16:05 - Division No. 9

The majority of MPs voted in favour of reducing the VAT rate from 17.5% to 15%.

They did this by voting against the motion[1] to annul the Order (Statutory Instrument) laid before the house for the reduction of the rate by fourteen and two sevenths of a percent (2.5 out of 17.5) which came into force on 1 December 2008.[2]

The Order was made under the powers in Value Added Tax Act 1994[3] where it says:

  • The Treasury may by order increase or decrease the rate of VAT for the time being in force by such percentage thereof not exceeding 25 per cent. as may be specified in the order, but any such order shall cease to be in force at the expiration of a period of one year from the date on which it takes effect, unless continued in force by a further order under this subsection.

This explains the strange formulation of the tax change statement, as well as the reason varying the VAT was chosen -- the powers to do it require the minimum of Parliamentary hassle.

As part of the order, the VAT on imported works of art went up from 28.58% to 33.34%,[4] which is compensatory increase by fourteen and two sevenths of a percent.

If I'm guessing right, this issue is going to be all over the next election about "How the Conservatives voted against a tax cut" in 2008, and it will go on and on and on to the point that nobody understands it and it doesn't matter.

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

Sort by: Name | Constituency | Party | Vote (a) | Vote (b)

NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Richard BenyonNewburyCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter BoneWellingboroughCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter BottomleyWorthing WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Patrick CormackSouth StaffordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Geoffrey CoxTorridge and West DevonCon (front bench)aye absent
Nadine DorriesMid BedfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Liam FoxWoodspringCon (front bench)aye absent
Christopher FraserSouth West NorfolkCon (front bench)aye absent
David GaukeSouth West HertfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen HammondWimbledonCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark LancasterNorth East Milton KeynesCon (front bench)aye absent
Julian LewisNew Forest EastCon (front bench)aye absent
Mike PenningHemel HempsteadCon (front bench)aye absent
John PenroseWeston-Super-MareCon (front bench)aye absent
Eric PicklesBrentwood and OngarCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark PriskHertford and StortfordCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark PritchardThe WrekinCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark SimmondsBoston and SkegnessCon (front bench)aye absent
Nicholas SoamesMid SussexCon (front bench)aye absent
Caroline SpelmanMeridenCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard SpringWest SuffolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Gary StreeterSouth West DevonCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter TapsellLouth and HorncastleConaye absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichCon (front bench)aye absent
Nigel WatersonEastbourneCon (front bench)aye absent
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConaye absent
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)absent aye
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)absent aye
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)absent aye
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)absent aye
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)absent aye
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)absent aye
John GreenwayRyedaleConabsent aye
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)absent aye
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)absent aye
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)absent aye
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)absent aye
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael MatesEast HampshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)absent aye
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)absent aye
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)absent aye
Robert WalterNorth DorsetConabsent aye
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)aye no
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPaye no
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)aye no
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)aye absent
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)aye absent
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentaye no
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)aye absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye absent
Derek ConwayOld Bexley and Sidcupwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye no
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye no
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye no
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye no
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye no
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye no
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye no
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)aye no
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye no
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye no
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye no
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye no
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye no
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye no
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye no
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye no
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye no
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye no
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye no
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye no
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye no
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye no
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabaye no
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye absent
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye absent
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye absent
Bob AinsworthCoventry North EastLab (minister)no absent
Charlotte AtkinsStaffordshire MoorlandsLab (minister)no absent
Vera BairdRedcarLab (minister)no absent
Celia BarlowHoveLab (minister)no absent
Stuart BellMiddlesbroughLab (minister)no absent
Joe BentonBootleLab (minister)no absent
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)no absent
Tom ClarkeCoatbridge, Chryston and BellshillLab (minister)no absent
Rosie CooperWest LancashireLab (minister)no absent
John CummingsEasingtonLab (minister)no absent
Ian DavidsonGlasgow South WestLab (minister)no absent
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)no absent
David HamiltonMidlothianLab (minister)no absent
Huw Irranca-DaviesOgmoreLab (minister)no absent
Alan JohnsonKingston upon Hull West and HessleLab (minister)no absent
Tessa JowellDulwich and West NorwoodLab (minister)no absent
Sally KeebleNorthampton NorthLab (minister)no absent
Ruth KellyBolton WestLabno absent
Jane KennedyLiverpool, WavertreeLab (minister)no absent
Bob LaxtonDerby NorthLab (minister)no absent
Pat McFaddenWolverhampton South EastLab (minister)no absent
Alan MilburnDarlingtonLabno absent
Jessica MordenNewport EastLab (minister)no absent
Geoffrey RobinsonCoventry North WestLabno absent
Mohammad SarwarGlasgow CentralLab (minister)no absent
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLab (minister)no absent
Jonathan R ShawChatham and AylesfordLab (minister)no absent
Barry SheermanHuddersfieldLab (minister)no absent
Jacqui SmithRedditchLab (minister)no absent
Ian StewartEcclesLab (minister)no absent
Mark ToddSouth DerbyshireLab (minister)no absent
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLab (minister)no absent
Tony WrightCannock ChaseLab (minister)no absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)both no
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)absent aye
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)absent aye
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)absent no
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)absent no
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)absent no
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)absent no
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)absent no
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)absent no
Colin BurgonElmetLababsent no
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLababsent no
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLababsent no
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)absent no
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)absent no
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)absent no
Frank CookStockton NorthLab (minister)absent no
Jon CruddasDagenhamLababsent no
Claire Curtis-ThomasCrosbyLababsent no
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)absent no
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)absent no
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)absent no
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)absent no
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLababsent no
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)absent no
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)absent no
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)absent no
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLababsent no
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)absent no
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)absent no
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)absent no
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)absent no
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)absent no
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)absent no
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)absent no
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLababsent no
Martin LintonBatterseaLababsent no
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLababsent no
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)absent no
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)absent no
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLababsent no
Anne McGuireStirlingLababsent no
David MilibandSouth ShieldsLab (minister)absent no
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)absent no
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)absent no
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)absent no
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)absent no
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)absent no
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLababsent no
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)absent no
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)absent no
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLababsent no
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)absent no
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)absent no
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)absent no
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)absent no
Betty WilliamsConwyLababsent no
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)absent no
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)absent no
Annette BrookeMid Dorset and North PooleLDem (front bench)aye absent
Steve WebbNorthavonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Mark WilliamsCeredigionLDem (front bench)aye absent
Phil WillisHarrogate and KnaresboroughLDem (front bench)aye absent
Richard Younger-RossTeignbridgeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)absent aye
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)absent aye
Charles KennedyRoss, Skye and LochaberLDemabsent aye
Mark OatenWinchesterLDem (front bench)absent aye
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Elfyn LlwydMeirionnydd Nant ConwyPC (front bench)aye no
Adam PriceCarmarthen East and DinefwrPC (front bench)aye no
Hywel WilliamsCaernarfonPC (front bench)aye no
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)aye absent
John MasonGlasgow EastSNP (front bench)aye no
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)aye no
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)aye no
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)aye absent
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)absent no
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)absent no
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)aye absent

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 407 voted the same way, with 33 voting in opposite ways. There were 41 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 165 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
407
(407 + 33 + 0.2x165)
=
407
473
= 0.860 = 86.0 %.


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