Comparison of Divisions: Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat — 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 with Division No. 19 on 21 Jan 2009 at 18:49

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Vote (a) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

Vote (b) (unedited): Opposition Day — [1st Allotted Day] — Savers - 21 Jan 2009 at 18:49 - Division No. 19

I beg to move,

That this House recognises that the reduction in interest rates since October 2008 has been a necessary policy response to the recession, justified by the dramatic reversal of inflationary pressures; believes that the role of Government in a recession is to support those most affected in the short term, while strengthening the economy for the recovery; notes that lower income savers have suffered significant losses as a result of interest rate reductions, and are likely to have a high marginal propensity to spend any increase in post-tax income; further notes that older savers, in particular, are a group who have acted responsibly during the so-called age of irresponsibility, and should be rewarded rather than penalised for their thrift; acknowledges the decline in the savings ratio from 9.9 per cent. to 1.8 per cent. since the second quarter of 1997; believes that more needs to be done to promote a culture of saving during the period of recovery and end Britain's addiction to debt; and calls upon the Government, in the next Budget, to cut taxes for savers by reducing the starting rate and basic rate of tax on savings to zero, paid for by reducing the real growth rate of Government spending in 2009-10, as the Government has already committed to do in 2010-11.

I beg to move an amendment, to leave out from "House" to the end of the Question and add:

"recognises the effects the global financial instability is having across the world and on the UK economy; notes that, as a result of Government action on financial stability, no individual depositor in a UK financial institution has lost savings; notes that the cut in value added tax, increased child benefit and £60 payments to all pensioners are helping families and businesses across the UK; further notes that 60 per cent. of pensioners pay no tax at all; believes savings are important in providing people with independence and security throughout their lives; welcomes cross-party support for the Saving Gateway Accounts Bill to help those of working age on low income; believes that the Saving Gateway will build on the successful pilots since 2002 to create savings accounts with the Government matching each pound saved with a contribution; notes that around eight million people on benefits and tax credits will be eligible for this incentive to save; further recognises the successful role that Individual Savings Accounts have played over the last decade with over 18 million people, including one in five people from low-income groups, choosing this method to save tax-free; welcomes the fact that four million children now have child trust funds and millions more will benefit in future; and notes that the Government contribution to child trust funds increases to £500 both at birth and age seven for lower income families."

The House having divided: Ayes 162, Noes 364.

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
James ArbuthnotNorth East HampshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Graham BradyAltrincham and Sale WestCon (front bench)aye absent
James DuddridgeRochford and Southend EastCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael FallonSevenoaksCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark FrancoisRayleighCon (front bench)aye absent
Paul GoodmanWycombeCon (front bench)aye absent
Dominic GrieveBeaconsfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
Greg HandsHammersmith and FulhamCon (front bench)aye absent
Douglas HoggSleaford and North HykehamCon (front bench)aye absent
Adam HollowayGraveshamCon (front bench)aye absent
John HowellHenleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Jeremy HuntSouth West SurreyCon (front bench)aye absent
Nick HurdRuislip - NorthwoodCon (front bench)aye absent
Bernard JenkinNorth EssexCon (front bench)aye absent
Robert KeySalisburyCon (front bench)aye absent
Eleanor LaingEpping ForestCon (front bench)aye absent
Oliver LetwinWest DorsetCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter LilleyHitchin and HarpendenConaye absent
Anne MiltonGuildfordCon (front bench)aye absent
John PenroseWeston-Super-MareCon (front bench)aye absent
Eric PicklesBrentwood and OngarCon (front bench)aye absent
John RandallUxbridgeCon (front bench)aye absent
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaConaye absent
David RuffleyBury St EdmundsCon (front bench)aye absent
Caroline SpelmanMeridenCon (front bench)aye absent
Gary StreeterSouth West DevonCon (front bench)aye absent
Desmond SwayneNew Forest WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter ViggersGosportCon (front bench)aye absent
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)absent aye
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)absent aye
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)absent aye
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)absent aye
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)absent aye
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConabsent aye
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)absent aye
John GreenwayRyedaleConabsent aye
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)absent aye
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)absent aye
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)absent aye
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael MatesEast HampshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)absent aye
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)absent aye
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)absent aye
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)absent aye
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)aye absent
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)aye absent
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPaye absent
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentaye no
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)aye no
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)aye no
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)aye both
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye absent
Derek ConwayOld Bexley and Sidcupwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye no
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye no
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye no
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye no
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye no
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)aye no
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye no
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye no
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye no
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye no
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye no
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye no
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye no
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye no
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye no
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye no
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye no
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye no
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye no
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye no
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye no
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabaye no
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye absent
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye absent
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye absent
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye absent
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye absent
Nick AingerCarmarthen West and South PembrokeshireLab (minister)no absent
Joe BentonBootleLab (minister)no absent
David BlunkettSheffield, BrightsideLabno absent
David BorrowSouth RibbleLab (minister)no absent
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)no absent
Colin ChallenMorley and RothwellLab (minister)no absent
David ChaytorBury NorthLab (minister)no absent
Tom ClarkeCoatbridge, Chryston and BellshillLab (minister)no absent
David ClellandTyne BridgeLab (minister)no absent
Ann CoffeyStockportLabno absent
Rosie CooperWest LancashireLab (minister)no absent
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)no absent
David DrewStroudLab (minister)no absent
Michael Jabez FosterHastings and RyeLab (minister)no absent
Nigel GriffithsEdinburgh SouthLab (minister)no absent
Dai HavardMerthyr Tydfil and RhymneyLab (minister)no absent
Brian JenkinsTamworthLab (minister)no absent
Mark LazarowiczEdinburgh North and LeithLab (minister)no absent
Andrew LoveEdmontonLab (minister)no absent
Eric MartlewCarlisleLab (minister)no absent
Steve McCabeBirmingham, Hall GreenLab (minister)no absent
John McFallWest DunbartonshireLab (minister)no absent
Alan MilburnDarlingtonLabno absent
Jessica MordenNewport EastLab (minister)no absent
Elliot MorleyScunthorpeLabno absent
Jim MurphyEast RenfrewshireLab (minister)no absent
Terry RooneyBradford NorthLab (minister)no absent
John SmithVale of GlamorganLab (minister)no absent
Desmond TurnerBrighton, KemptownLab (minister)no absent
Joan WalleyStoke-on-Trent NorthLab (minister)no absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)both no
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)absent no
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)absent no
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)absent no
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)absent no
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)absent no
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)absent no
Colin BurgonElmetLababsent no
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLababsent no
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLababsent no
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLababsent no
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)absent no
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)absent no
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)absent no
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLab (minister)absent no
Frank CookStockton NorthLab (minister)absent no
Jon CruddasDagenhamLababsent no
Claire Curtis-ThomasCrosbyLababsent no
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)absent no
Bill EtheringtonSunderland NorthLababsent no
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)absent no
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)absent no
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)absent no
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)absent no
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLababsent no
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)absent no
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)absent no
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLababsent no
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)absent no
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)absent no
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)absent no
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)absent no
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)absent no
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)absent no
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)absent no
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)absent no
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)absent no
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLababsent no
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLababsent no
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)absent no
Martin LintonBatterseaLababsent no
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLababsent no
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)absent no
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)absent no
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLababsent no
Anne McGuireStirlingLababsent no
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLababsent no
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)absent no
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)absent no
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)absent no
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)absent no
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)absent no
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)absent no
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)absent no
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLababsent no
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)absent no
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLababsent no
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)absent no
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)absent no
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)absent no
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)absent no
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)absent no
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)absent no
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLababsent no
Betty WilliamsConwyLababsent no
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)absent no
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)absent no
John BarrettEdinburgh WestLDem (front bench)aye no
Alan BeithBerwick-upon-TweedLDem (front bench)aye no
Tom BrakeCarshalton and WallingtonLDem (front bench)aye no
Annette BrookeMid Dorset and North PooleLDem (front bench)aye no
Jeremy BrowneTauntonLDem (front bench)aye no
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)aye no
Lorely BurtSolihullLDem (front bench)aye no
Vincent CableTwickenhamLDem (front bench)aye no
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)aye no
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)aye no
Edward DaveyKingston and SurbitonLDem (front bench)aye no
Lynne FeatherstoneHornsey and Wood GreenLDem (front bench)aye no
Don FosterBathLDem (front bench)aye no
Andrew GeorgeSt IvesLDem (front bench)aye no
Evan HarrisOxford West and AbingdonLDem (front bench)aye no
Nick HarveyNorth DevonLDem (front bench)aye no
David HeathSomerton and FromeLDem (front bench)aye no
John HemmingBirmingham, YardleyLDem (front bench)aye no
Paul HolmesChesterfieldLDem (front bench)aye no
Martin HorwoodCheltenhamLDem (front bench)aye no
David HowarthCambridgeLDem (front bench)aye no
Simon HughesNorth Southwark and BermondseyLDem (front bench)aye no
Mark HunterCheadleLDem (front bench)aye no
Norman LambNorth NorfolkLDem (front bench)aye no
David LawsYeovilLDem (front bench)aye no
Michael MooreBerwickshire, Roxburgh and SelkirkLDem (front bench)aye no
Greg MulhollandLeeds North WestLDem (front bench)aye no
Alan ReidArgyll and ButeLDem (front bench)tellaye no
Willie RennieDunfermline and West FifeLDem (front bench)aye no
Dan RogersonNorth CornwallLDem (front bench)tellaye no
Bob RussellColchesterLDem (front bench)aye no
Adrian SandersTorbayLDem (front bench)aye no
Robert SmithWest Aberdeenshire and KincardineLDem (front bench)aye no
Andrew StunellHazel GroveLDem (front bench)aye no
Matthew TaylorTruro and St AustellLDemaye no
Sarah TeatherBrent EastLDem (front bench)aye no
John ThursoCaithness, Sutherland and Easter RossLDem (front bench)aye no
Mark WilliamsCeredigionLDem (front bench)aye no
Stephen WilliamsBristol WestLDem (front bench)aye no
Phil WillisHarrogate and KnaresboroughLDem (front bench)aye no
Jennifer WillottCardiff CentralLDem (front bench)aye no
Richard Younger-RossTeignbridgeLDem (front bench)aye no
Danny AlexanderInverness, Nairn, Badenoch and StrathspeyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Norman BakerLewesLDem (front bench)aye absent
Colin BreedSouth East CornwallLDem (front bench)aye absent
Paul BurstowSutton and CheamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Tim FarronWestmorland and LonsdaleLDem (front bench)aye absent
Julia GoldsworthyFalmouth and CamborneLDem (front bench)aye absent
Christopher HuhneEastleighLDem (front bench)aye absent
Susan KramerRichmond ParkLDemaye absent
John LeechManchester, WithingtonLDem (front bench)aye absent
John PughSouthportLDem (front bench)aye absent
Steve WebbNorthavonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)absent no
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)absent no
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)absent no
Charles KennedyRoss, Skye and LochaberLDemabsent no
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)absent no
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)absent no
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)absent no
Elfyn LlwydMeirionnydd Nant ConwyPC (front bench)aye no
Hywel WilliamsCaernarfonPC (front bench)aye no
Adam PriceCarmarthen East and DinefwrPC (front bench)aye absent
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)aye absent
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)aye no
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)aye no
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)aye no
John MasonGlasgow EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)absent no
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)absent no
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)aye absent

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 357 voted the same way, with 72 voting in opposite ways. There were 32 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 185 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
357
(357 + 72 + 0.2x185)
=
357
466
= 0.766 = 76.6 %.


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