Comparison of Divisions: Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat — 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 with Division No. 21 on 26 Jan 2009 at 21:48

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

Vote (b) : Coroners and Justice Bill — Condemn the Coroners and Justice Bill — rejected - 26 Jan 2009 at 21:48 - Division No. 21

The majority of MPs voted against the motion to condemn the Coroners and Justice Bill.

The motion, which was rejected, said:[1]

  • This House declines to give a Second Reading to the Coroners and Justice Bill
  • because it provides for inquests in private and without a jury, at the behest of the Secretary of State and on grounds that are overbroad;[2]
  • because it unduly restricts what coroners and inquest juries may say about a death; because it proposes reforms to the law of murder that are ill-thought through and incomplete;
  • because it fails to deal with legitimate criticisms of the legislation on anonymous witnesses, and in particular because it fails to make adequate provision for the use of special counsel;
  • because the system of sentencing guidelines it proposes fails to incorporate adequately the aim of reducing re-offending;
  • because it will allow unlimited data sharing to occur between any organisations or persons for the purposes of supporting unspecified government policies, regardless of the safeguards contained in other legislation; and
  • because, to the extent that other measures proposed in the Bill are welcome and not merely symbolic, those measures should have been brought forward in separate Bills to allow them to be scrutinised more carefully.

No Conservative MP voted on this motion.

Although the government has not been forced to point to specific examples of past inquests which it would have chosen to hold in private without a jury had it had the power, the best candidate of such an inquest is the case of Lance Corporal Matty Hull killed by U.S. "friendly fire"[3] where the government could have certified the case under Clause 11(2)(a)(ii): "in order to protect the interests of the relationship between the United Kingdom and another country", since there is no limitation as to how little the relationship with the other country is harmed.

The other extremely contentious issue[4] is the provision found in Clause 152 which would allow a ministers to order the over-riding of the Data Protection Act to "secure a relevant policy objective".[5]

The main provisions of the Coroners and Justice Bill were to[6]:

  • Allow secret inquests although the Lord Chief Justice can veto requests for private inquests and decide who the judge is
  • Prevent criminals from profiting from publications about their crimes
  • Allow courts to grant anonymity to vulnerable or intimidated witnesses as long as this still ensured a fair trial

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Adam AfriyieWindsorCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter AinsworthEast SurreyCon (front bench)aye absent
Sir David AmessSouthend WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael AncramDevizesCon (front bench)aye absent
James ArbuthnotNorth East HampshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter AtkinsonHexhamCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard BaconSouth NorfolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Tony BaldryBanburyConaye absent
Gregory BarkerBexhill and BattleCon (front bench)aye absent
John BaronBillericayCon (front bench)aye absent
Henry BellinghamNorth West NorfolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard BenyonNewburyCon (front bench)aye absent
John BercowBuckinghamwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
Paul BeresfordMole ValleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Crispin BluntReigateCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter BoneWellingboroughCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter BottomleyWorthing WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Graham BradyAltrincham and Sale WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Julian BrazierCanterburyCon (front bench)aye absent
James BrokenshireHornchurchCon (front bench)aye absent
Angela BrowningTiverton and HonitonCon (front bench)aye absent
Simon BurnsWest ChelmsfordCon (front bench)aye absent
David BurrowesEnfield, SouthgateCon (front bench)aye absent
Alistair BurtNorth East BedfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)aye absent
Douglas CarswellHarwichCon (front bench)aye absent
Bill CashStoneCon (front bench)aye absent
Christopher ChopeChristchurchCon (front bench)aye absent
Greg ClarkTunbridge WellsCon (front bench)aye absent
Geoffrey Clifton-BrownCotswoldCon (front bench)aye absent
Patrick CormackSouth StaffordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Geoffrey CoxTorridge and West DevonCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen CrabbPreseli PembrokeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
David CurrySkipton and RiponCon (front bench)aye absent
David DaviesMonmouthCon (front bench)aye absent
Philip DaviesShipleyConaye absent
Jonathan DjanoglyHuntingdonCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)aye absent
Nadine DorriesMid BedfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
James DuddridgeRochford and Southend EastCon (front bench)aye absent
Alan DuncanRutland and MeltonCon (front bench)aye absent
Iain Duncan SmithChingford and Woodford GreenConaye absent
Philip DunneLudlowCon (front bench)aye absent
Tobias EllwoodBournemouth EastCon (front bench)aye absent
David EvennettBexleyheath and CrayfordCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael FabricantLichfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael FallonSevenoaksCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark FieldCities of London and WestminsterCon (front bench)aye absent
Liam FoxWoodspringCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark FrancoisRayleighCon (front bench)aye absent
Christopher FraserSouth West NorfolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Roger GaleNorth ThanetCon (front bench)aye absent
Edward GarnierHarboroughCon (front bench)aye absent
David GaukeSouth West HertfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Nick GibbBognor Regis and LittlehamptonCon (front bench)aye absent
Dame Cheryl GillanChesham and AmershamCon (front bench)aye absent
Paul GoodmanWycombeCon (front bench)aye absent
Robert GoodwillScarborough and WhitbyCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael GoveSurrey HeathCon (front bench)aye absent
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)aye absent
Damian GreenAshfordCon (front bench)aye absent
Justine GreeningPutneyCon (front bench)aye absent
Dominic GrieveBeaconsfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
John GummerSuffolk CoastalConaye absent
William HagueRichmond (Yorks)Con (front bench)aye absent
Philip HammondRunnymede and WeybridgeCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen HammondWimbledonCon (front bench)aye absent
Greg HandsHammersmith and FulhamCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark HarperForest of DeanCon (front bench)aye absent
John HayesSouth Holland and The DeepingsCon (front bench)aye absent
Charles HendryWealdenCon (front bench)aye absent
Nick HerbertArundel and South DownsCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark HobanFarehamCon (front bench)aye absent
Douglas HoggSleaford and North HykehamCon (front bench)aye absent
Philip HolloboneKetteringCon (front bench)aye absent
Adam HollowayGraveshamCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael HowardFolkestone and HytheConaye absent
Gerald HowarthAldershotCon (front bench)aye absent
John HowellHenleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Jeremy HuntSouth West SurreyCon (front bench)aye absent
Nick HurdRuislip - NorthwoodCon (front bench)aye absent
Stewart JacksonPeterboroughCon (front bench)aye absent
Bernard JenkinNorth EssexCon (front bench)aye absent
David JonesClwyd WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Daniel KawczynskiShrewsbury and AtchamCon (front bench)aye absent
Robert KeySalisburyCon (front bench)aye absent
Greg KnightEast YorkshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Eleanor LaingEpping ForestCon (front bench)aye absent
Jacqui LaitBeckenhamConaye absent
Mark LancasterNorth East Milton KeynesCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew LansleySouth CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Edward LeighGainsboroughCon (front bench)aye absent
Oliver LetwinWest DorsetCon (front bench)aye absent
Julian LewisNew Forest EastCon (front bench)aye absent
Ian Liddell-GraingerBridgwaterCon (front bench)aye absent
David LidingtonAylesburyCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter LilleyHitchin and HarpendenConaye absent
Tim LoughtonEast Worthing and ShorehamCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew MacKayBracknellCon (front bench)aye absent
David MacleanPenrith and The BorderCon (front bench)aye absent
Anne MainSt AlbansCon (front bench)aye absent
Theresa MayMaidenheadCon (front bench)aye absent
Anne McIntoshVale of YorkCon (front bench)aye absent
Patrick McLoughlinWest DerbyshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Patrick MercerNewarkCon (front bench)aye absent
Maria MillerBasingstokeCon (front bench)aye absent
Anne MiltonGuildfordCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew MitchellSutton ColdfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew MurrisonWestburyCon (front bench)aye absent
Bob NeillBromley and ChislehurstCon (front bench)aye absent
Brooks NewmarkBraintreeCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen O'BrienEddisburyCon (front bench)aye absent
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard OttawayCroydon SouthCon (front bench)aye absent
James PaiceSouth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Mike PenningHemel HempsteadCon (front bench)aye absent
John PenroseWeston-Super-MareCon (front bench)aye absent
Eric PicklesBrentwood and OngarCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark PriskHertford and StortfordCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark PritchardThe WrekinCon (front bench)aye absent
John RandallUxbridgeCon (front bench)aye absent
John RedwoodWokinghamConaye absent
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaConaye absent
Andrew RobathanBlabyCon (front bench)aye absent
Hugh RobertsonFaversham and Mid KentCon (front bench)aye absent
Laurence RobertsonTewkesburyCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew RosindellRomfordCon (front bench)aye absent
David RuffleyBury St EdmundsCon (front bench)aye absent
Lee ScottIlford NorthCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew SelousSouth West BedfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Grant ShappsWelwyn HatfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard ShepherdAldridge-BrownhillsCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark SimmondsBoston and SkegnessCon (front bench)aye absent
Keith SimpsonMid NorfolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Nicholas SoamesMid SussexCon (front bench)aye absent
Caroline SpelmanMeridenCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael SpicerWest WorcestershireCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard SpringWest SuffolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Anthony SteenTotnesCon (front bench)aye absent
Gary StreeterSouth West DevonCon (front bench)aye absent
Graham StuartBeverley and HoldernessCon (front bench)aye absent
Desmond SwayneNew Forest WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Hugo SwireEast DevonConaye absent
Robert SymsPooleCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter TapsellLouth and HorncastleConaye absent
Ian TaylorEsher and WaltonConaye absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichCon (front bench)aye absent
David TredinnickBosworthConaye absent
Andrew TurnerIsle of WightCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew TyrieChichesterCon (front bench)aye absent
Ed VaizeyWantageCon (front bench)aye absent
Shailesh VaraNorth West CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter ViggersGosportCon (front bench)aye absent
Theresa VilliersChipping BarnetCon (front bench)aye absent
Charles WalkerBroxbourneCon (front bench)aye absent
Ben WallaceLancaster and WyreCon (front bench)aye absent
Nigel WatersonEastbourneCon (front bench)aye absent
Angela WatkinsonUpminsterCon (front bench)aye absent
John WhittingdaleMaldon and East ChelmsfordCon (front bench)aye absent
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConaye absent
Bill WigginLeominsterCon (front bench)aye absent
David WillettsHavantCon (front bench)aye absent
Rob WilsonReading EastCon (front bench)aye absent
Ann WintertonCongletonCon (front bench)aye absent
Nicholas WintertonMacclesfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
Jeremy WrightRugby and KenilworthCon (front bench)aye absent
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)aye absent
George YoungNorth West HampshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)aye absent
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)aye absent
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)aye absent
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPaye absent
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)aye no
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)aye no
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye absent
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye no
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye no
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye no
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye no
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)aye no
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye no
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye no
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye no
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye no
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye no
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye no
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye no
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye no
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye no
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye no
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye no
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye no
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye no
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye no
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabaye no
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye absent
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye absent
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye absent
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye absent
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Hilary ArmstrongNorth West DurhamLabno absent
Stuart BellMiddlesbroughLab (minister)no absent
Joe BentonBootleLab (minister)no absent
Roger BerryKingswoodLab (minister)no absent
Hazel BlearsSalfordLab (minister)no absent
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)no absent
Lyn BrownWest HamLabno absent
Tom ClarkeCoatbridge, Chryston and BellshillLab (minister)no absent
Ann ClwydCynon ValleyLab (minister)no absent
David CrausbyBolton North EastLab (minister)no absent
Mary CreaghWakefieldLab (minister)no absent
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)no absent
Natascha EngelNorth East DerbyshireLabno absent
Jim FitzpatrickPoplar and Canning TownLab (minister)no absent
Caroline FlintDon ValleyLab (minister)no absent
Barbara FollettStevenageLab (minister)no absent
Michael FosterWorcesterLab (minister)no absent
Paul GogginsWythenshawe and Sale EastLab (minister)no absent
John GroganSelbyLab (minister)no absent
John HealeyWentworthLab (minister)no absent
John HuttonBarrow and FurnessLab (minister)no absent
Kevan JonesNorth DurhamLab (minister)no absent
Ruth KellyBolton WestLabno absent
Bob LaxtonDerby NorthLab (minister)no absent
Mark LazarowiczEdinburgh North and LeithLab (minister)no absent
Fiona MactaggartSloughLab (minister)no absent
Steve McCabeBirmingham, Hall GreenLab (minister)no absent
Margaret MoranLuton SouthLab (minister)no absent
Jessica MordenNewport EastLab (minister)no absent
Denis MurphyWansbeckLab (minister)no absent
Dan NorrisWansdykeLab (minister)no absent
Albert OwenYnys MônLab (minister)no absent
James PurnellStalybridge and HydeLab (minister)no absent
Joan RyanEnfield NorthLabno absent
Howard StoateDartfordLab (minister)no absent
Mark ToddSouth DerbyshireLab (minister)no absent
Kitty UssherBurnleyLab (minister)no absent
Michael WillsNorth SwindonLab (minister)no absent
Tony WrightCannock ChaseLab (minister)no absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)both no
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)absent no
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)absent no
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)absent no
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)absent no
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)absent no
Colin BurgonElmetLababsent no
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLababsent no
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)absent no
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)absent no
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)absent no
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLab (minister)absent no
Jon CruddasDagenhamLababsent no
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)absent no
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)absent no
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)absent no
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)absent no
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)absent no
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)absent no
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)absent no
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)absent no
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)absent no
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)absent no
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)absent no
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)absent no
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)absent no
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLababsent no
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLababsent no
Martin LintonBatterseaLababsent no
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)absent no
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)absent no
Anne McGuireStirlingLababsent no
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLababsent no
David MilibandSouth ShieldsLab (minister)absent no
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)absent no
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)absent no
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)absent no
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)absent no
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)absent no
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)absent no
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLababsent no
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)absent no
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)absent no
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)absent no
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLababsent no
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)absent no
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)absent no
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)absent no
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)absent no
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)absent no
Norman BakerLewesLDem (front bench)aye absent
Jeremy BrowneTauntonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Tim FarronWestmorland and LonsdaleLDem (front bench)aye absent
Julia GoldsworthyFalmouth and CamborneLDem (front bench)aye absent
Martin HorwoodCheltenhamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Simon HughesNorth Southwark and BermondseyLDem (front bench)aye absent
David LawsYeovilLDem (front bench)aye absent
John LeechManchester, WithingtonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Michael MooreBerwickshire, Roxburgh and SelkirkLDem (front bench)aye absent
John PughSouthportLDem (front bench)aye absent
Mark WilliamsCeredigionLDem (front bench)aye absent
Stephen WilliamsBristol WestLDem (front bench)aye absent
Phil WillisHarrogate and KnaresboroughLDem (front bench)aye absent
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Charles KennedyRoss, Skye and LochaberLDemabsent aye
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Adam PriceCarmarthen East and DinefwrPC (front bench)aye absent
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)aye absent
John MasonGlasgow EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)aye absent
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)aye absent
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)aye absent
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)aye absent

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 253 voted the same way, with 22 voting in opposite ways. There were 77 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 294 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
253
(253 + 22 + 0.2x294)
=
253
333.8
= 0.758 = 75.8 %.


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