Comparison of Divisions: Loyal Address — Liberal Democrat amendment — rejected — 25 May 2005 at 18:59 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) : Loyal Address — Liberal Democrat amendment — rejected - 25 May 2005 at 18:59 - Division No. 3

The issue in this division was a Liberal Democrat amendment to the Loyal Address thanking the Queen for making the Queen's Speech. The amendment[1] would have added an expression of regret that the speech did not include various proposals which were favoured by the Liberal Democrats. The Liberal Democrat amendment indicated they would liked to have seen proposals:

  • For reform of the electoral system
  • Against compulsory ID Cards
  • For more police on the street
  • For a local income tax
  • For free long term care for the elderly
  • For simplifying the pensions system in a manner which promotes saving
  • To reverse the decision to bring in tuition, and top-up fees for university students
  • For specific measures to tackle climate change
  • To clarify the responsibilities of the Prime Minister, with respect to Parliament particularly in relation to a decision to go to war.

Those voting Aye were agreeing with the Liberal Democrats and calling for these items of legislation to be brought forward. Those voting No were disagreeing.

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Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Adam AfriyieWindsorConabsent aye
Peter AinsworthEast SurreyConabsent aye
Sir David AmessSouthend WestCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael AncramDevizesCon (front bench)absent aye
James ArbuthnotNorth East HampshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter AtkinsonHexhamCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard BaconSouth NorfolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Tony BaldryBanburyConabsent aye
Gregory BarkerBexhill and BattleCon (front bench)absent aye
John BaronBillericayCon (front bench)absent aye
Henry BellinghamNorth West NorfolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard BenyonNewburyConabsent aye
John BercowBuckinghamwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
Paul BeresfordMole ValleyCon (front bench)absent aye
Crispin BluntReigateCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter BoneWellingboroughConabsent aye
Peter BottomleyWorthing WestConabsent aye
Graham BradyAltrincham and Sale WestCon (front bench)absent aye
Julian BrazierCanterburyCon (front bench)absent aye
James BrokenshireHornchurchConabsent aye
Angela BrowningTiverton and HonitonCon (front bench)absent aye
Simon BurnsWest ChelmsfordCon (front bench)absent aye
David BurrowesEnfield, SouthgateConabsent aye
Alistair BurtNorth East BedfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)absent aye
Douglas CarswellHarwichConabsent aye
Bill CashStoneCon (front bench)absent aye
Christopher ChopeChristchurchCon (front bench)absent aye
Greg ClarkTunbridge WellsConabsent aye
Geoffrey Clifton-BrownCotswoldCon (front bench)absent aye
Patrick CormackSouth StaffordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Geoffrey CoxTorridge and West DevonConabsent aye
Stephen CrabbPreseli PembrokeshireConabsent aye
David CurrySkipton and RiponConabsent aye
David DaviesMonmouthConabsent aye
Philip DaviesShipleyConabsent aye
Jonathan DjanoglyHuntingdonCon (front bench)absent aye
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodConabsent aye
Nadine DorriesMid BedfordshireConabsent aye
James DuddridgeRochford and Southend EastConabsent aye
Alan DuncanRutland and MeltonCon (front bench)absent aye
Iain Duncan SmithChingford and Woodford GreenConabsent aye
Philip DunneLudlowConabsent aye
Tobias EllwoodBournemouth EastCon (front bench)absent aye
David EvennettBexleyheath and CrayfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael FabricantLichfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael FallonSevenoaksCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark FieldCities of London and WestminsterCon (front bench)absent aye
Liam FoxWoodspringCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark FrancoisRayleighCon (front bench)absent aye
Christopher FraserSouth West NorfolkConabsent aye
Roger GaleNorth ThanetCon (front bench)absent aye
Edward GarnierHarboroughCon (front bench)absent aye
David GaukeSouth West HertfordshireConabsent aye
Nick GibbBognor Regis and LittlehamptonCon (front bench)absent aye
Dame Cheryl GillanChesham and AmershamCon (front bench)absent aye
Paul GoodmanWycombeCon (front bench)absent aye
Robert GoodwillScarborough and WhitbyConabsent aye
Michael GoveSurrey HeathCon (front bench)absent aye
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)absent aye
Damian GreenAshfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Justine GreeningPutneyConabsent aye
Dominic GrieveBeaconsfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
John GummerSuffolk CoastalConabsent aye
William HagueRichmond (Yorks)Conabsent aye
Philip HammondRunnymede and WeybridgeCon (front bench)absent aye
Stephen HammondWimbledonConabsent aye
Greg HandsHammersmith and FulhamConabsent aye
Mark HarperForest of DeanConabsent aye
John HayesSouth Holland and The DeepingsCon (front bench)absent aye
Charles HendryWealdenCon (front bench)absent aye
Nick HerbertArundel and South DownsCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark HobanFarehamCon (front bench)absent aye
Douglas HoggSleaford and North HykehamConabsent aye
Philip HolloboneKetteringConabsent aye
Adam HollowayGraveshamConabsent aye
Michael HowardFolkestone and HytheCon (front bench)absent aye
Gerald HowarthAldershotCon (front bench)absent aye
John HowellHenleyConabsent aye
Jeremy HuntSouth West SurreyCon (front bench)absent aye
Nick HurdRuislip - NorthwoodConabsent aye
Stewart JacksonPeterboroughConabsent aye
Bernard JenkinNorth EssexCon (front bench)absent aye
David JonesClwyd WestConabsent aye
Daniel KawczynskiShrewsbury and AtchamConabsent aye
Robert KeySalisburyConabsent aye
Greg KnightEast YorkshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Eleanor LaingEpping ForestCon (front bench)absent aye
Jacqui LaitBeckenhamCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark LancasterNorth East Milton KeynesConabsent aye
Andrew LansleySouth CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Edward LeighGainsboroughCon (front bench)absent aye
Oliver LetwinWest DorsetCon (front bench)absent aye
Julian LewisNew Forest EastCon (front bench)absent aye
Ian Liddell-GraingerBridgwaterCon (front bench)absent aye
David LidingtonAylesburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter LilleyHitchin and HarpendenConabsent aye
Tim LoughtonEast Worthing and ShorehamCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew MacKayBracknellCon (front bench)absent aye
David MacleanPenrith and The BorderCon (front bench)absent aye
Anne MainSt AlbansConabsent aye
Theresa MayMaidenheadCon (front bench)absent aye
Anne McIntoshVale of YorkCon (front bench)absent aye
Patrick McLoughlinWest DerbyshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Patrick MercerNewarkCon (front bench)absent aye
Maria MillerBasingstokeCon (front bench)absent aye
Anne MiltonGuildfordConabsent aye
Andrew MitchellSutton ColdfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew MurrisonWestburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Bob NeillBromley and ChislehurstConabsent aye
Brooks NewmarkBraintreeConabsent aye
Stephen O'BrienEddisburyCon (front bench)absent aye
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard OttawayCroydon SouthCon (front bench)absent aye
James PaiceSouth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Mike PenningHemel HempsteadConabsent aye
John PenroseWeston-Super-MareConabsent aye
Eric PicklesBrentwood and OngarCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark PriskHertford and StortfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark PritchardThe WrekinConabsent aye
John RandallUxbridgeCon (front bench)absent aye
John RedwoodWokinghamConabsent aye
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew RobathanBlabyCon (front bench)absent aye
Hugh RobertsonFaversham and Mid KentCon (front bench)absent aye
Laurence RobertsonTewkesburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew RosindellRomfordCon (front bench)absent aye
David RuffleyBury St EdmundsCon (front bench)absent aye
Lee ScottIlford NorthConabsent aye
Andrew SelousSouth West BedfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Grant ShappsWelwyn HatfieldConabsent aye
Richard ShepherdAldridge-BrownhillsCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark SimmondsBoston and SkegnessCon (front bench)absent aye
Keith SimpsonMid NorfolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Nicholas SoamesMid SussexConabsent aye
Caroline SpelmanMeridenCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael SpicerWest WorcestershireCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard SpringWest SuffolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Anthony SteenTotnesConabsent aye
Gary StreeterSouth West DevonConabsent aye
Graham StuartBeverley and HoldernessConabsent aye
Desmond SwayneNew Forest WestCon (front bench)absent aye
Hugo SwireEast DevonCon (front bench)absent aye
Robert SymsPooleCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter TapsellLouth and HorncastleConabsent aye
Ian TaylorEsher and WaltonConabsent aye
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichConabsent aye
David TredinnickBosworthCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew TurnerIsle of WightCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew TyrieChichesterCon (front bench)absent aye
Ed VaizeyWantageConabsent aye
Shailesh VaraNorth West CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter ViggersGosportConabsent aye
Theresa VilliersChipping BarnetCon (front bench)absent aye
Charles WalkerBroxbourneConabsent aye
Ben WallaceLancaster and WyreConabsent aye
Nigel WatersonEastbourneCon (front bench)absent aye
Angela WatkinsonUpminsterCon (front bench)absent aye
John WhittingdaleMaldon and East ChelmsfordConabsent aye
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConabsent aye
Bill WigginLeominsterCon (front bench)absent aye
David WillettsHavantCon (front bench)absent aye
Rob WilsonReading EastConabsent aye
Ann WintertonCongletonConabsent aye
Nicholas WintertonMacclesfieldConabsent aye
Jeremy WrightRugby and KenilworthConabsent aye
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkConabsent aye
George YoungNorth West HampshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)no aye
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)no aye
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)no aye
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUPno aye
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPabsent aye
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentabsent aye
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independentabsent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independentabsent aye
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentabsent aye
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabno aye
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)no aye
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLabno aye
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabno aye
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)no aye
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabno aye
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLabno aye
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)no aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)no aye
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLabno aye
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabno aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLabno aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabno aye
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabno aye
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabno aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLabno aye
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLabno aye
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLabno aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)no aye
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabno aye
Linda RiordanHalifaxLabno aye
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabno aye
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabno aye
Paul TruswellPudseyLabno aye
Keith VazLeicester EastLabno aye
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabno aye
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLabno both
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLabno absent
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)no absent
John BattleLeeds WestLabno absent
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)no absent
Tony BlairSedgefieldLab (minister)no absent
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)no absent
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)no absent
Colin BurgonElmetLabno absent
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLabno absent
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLabno absent
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)no absent
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLabno absent
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLabno absent
Frank CookStockton NorthLabno absent
Robin CookLivingstonLabno absent
Jon CruddasDagenhamLab (minister)no absent
Claire Curtis-ThomasCrosbyLabno absent
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLabno absent
Gwyneth DunwoodyCrewe and NantwichLabno absent
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)no absent
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)no absent
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)no absent
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLabno absent
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLabno absent
Mike HallWeaver ValeLabno absent
Patrick HallBedfordLabno absent
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)no absent
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLabno absent
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)no absent
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLabno absent
Margaret HodgeBarkingLab (minister)no absent
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)no absent
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLabno absent
Siân JamesSwansea EastLabno absent
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLabno absent
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLabno absent
Piara S KhabraEaling, SouthallLabno absent
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLabno absent
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)no absent
Martin LintonBatterseaLabno absent
John MacDougallGlenrothesLabno absent
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLabno absent
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLabno absent
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLabno absent
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)no absent
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLabno absent
Anne McGuireStirlingLab (minister)no absent
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLabno absent
David MilibandSouth ShieldsLab (minister)no absent
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLabno absent
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)no absent
Anne MoffatEast LothianLabno absent
Kali MountfordColne ValleyLabno absent
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLabno absent
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)no absent
Greg PopeHyndburnLabno absent
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)no absent
Jamie ReedCopelandLabno absent
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLab (minister)no absent
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)no absent
Martin SalterReading WestLabno absent
Clare ShortBirmingham, Ladywoodwhilst Labno absent
Marsha SinghBradford WestLabno absent
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLabno absent
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLabno absent
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)no absent
Paddy TippingSherwoodLabno absent
Neil TurnerWiganLabno absent
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLabno absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Labno absent
Betty WilliamsConwyLabno absent
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLabno absent
Andy ReedLoughboroughLababsent aye
Bob AinsworthCoventry North EastLab (minister)absent no
Anne BeggAberdeen SouthLab (minister)absent no
Joe BentonBootleLab (minister)absent no
Ann ClwydCynon ValleyLab (minister)absent no
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)absent no
Jim DevineLivingstonLababsent no
Andrew DismoreHendonLababsent no
George HowarthKnowsley North and Sefton EastLab (minister)absent no
Tony McNultyHarrow EastLab (minister)absent no
Alan MilburnDarlingtonLababsent no
Elliot MorleyScunthorpeLab (minister)absent no
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLababsent no
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLababsent no
Barry SheermanHuddersfieldLab (minister)absent no
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLababsent no
Howard StoateDartfordLababsent no
Jack StrawBlackburnLab (minister)absent no
Claire WardWatfordLab (minister)absent tellno
Tom WatsonWest Bromwich EastLab (minister)absent no
Malcolm WicksCroydon NorthLab (minister)absent no
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLababsent no
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)aye absent
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)aye absent
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)aye absent
Charles KennedyRoss, Skye and LochaberLDem (front bench)aye absent
Mark OatenWinchesterLDem (front bench)aye absent
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Paul RowenRochdaleLDemaye absent
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Mark HunterCheadleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Willie RennieDunfermline and West FifeLDemabsent aye
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLPabsent aye
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)aye absent
Alex SalmondBanff and BuchanSNP (front bench)aye absent
John MasonGlasgow EastSNPabsent aye
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)absent aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 645 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 283 voted the same way, with 31 voting in opposite ways. There were 58 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 273 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
283
(283 + 31 + 0.2x273)
=
283
368.6
= 0.768 = 76.8 %.


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