Comparison of Divisions: Loyal Address — Conservative amendment — rejected — 25 May 2005 at 18:45 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

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Vote (a) : Loyal Address — Conservative amendment — rejected - 25 May 2005 at 18:45 - Division No. 2

The majority No voters rejected a Conservative amendment[1] to the Queen's Loyal Address. The amendment would have added:

  • regret that the Gracious Speech does not contain measures to address the major challenges the British economy now faces to ensure its competitiveness in the light of unprecedented global competition
  • further regret the absence of measures to bridge the skills gap so that the UK has the right skills for tomorrow's economy
  • deplore the failure to include in the Gracious Speech a credible programme for cutting the burden of regulation which stifles business and holds back entrepreneurs
  • condemn the absence of measures to ensure value for taxpayers' money in order to improve public services and remove the need for further tax increases
  • further regret the absence of measures in the Gracious Speech to tackle the pensions crisis to which Government policy has contributed, or to encourage savings to help give people greater security and dignity in retirement.

Those voting Aye were therefore supporting these criticisms; those voting No were disagreeing with them.

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Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by constituency

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Anne BeggAberdeen SouthLab (minister)absent no
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLab (minister)no absent
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLabno absent
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)no aye
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)no absent
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)no absent
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)no absent
Alex SalmondBanff and BuchanSNP (front bench)no absent
Margaret HodgeBarkingLab (minister)no absent
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLabno absent
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLabno absent
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)no absent
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabno aye
Martin LintonBatterseaLabno absent
Patrick HallBedfordLabno absent
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPabsent aye
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLPabsent aye
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)no absent
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)no absent
Clare ShortBirmingham, Ladywoodwhilst Labno absent
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)no absent
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLabno absent
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLabno absent
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLabno absent
Jack StrawBlackburnLab (minister)absent no
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLabno aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabno aye
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentabsent aye
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLabno absent
Joe BentonBootleLab (minister)absent no
John ButterfillBournemouth WestConaye absent
Marsha SinghBradford WestLabno absent
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)no aye
Eric ForthBromley and ChislehurstConaye absent
Bob NeillBromley and ChislehurstConabsent aye
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveConaye absent
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLabno aye
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)no absent
Hywel WilliamsCaernarfonPC (front bench)no aye
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLabno absent
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLabno aye
Adam PriceCarmarthen East and DinefwrPC (front bench)no aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Conaye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independentabsent aye
Mark HunterCheadleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Dame Cheryl GillanChesham and AmershamCon (front bench)absent aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLabno aye
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLabno absent
Kali MountfordColne ValleyLabno absent
Betty WilliamsConwyLabno absent
Jamie ReedCopelandLabno absent
Bob AinsworthCoventry North EastLab (minister)absent no
Gwyneth DunwoodyCrewe and NantwichLabno absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichConabsent aye
Claire Curtis-ThomasCrosbyLabno absent
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Conaye absent
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independentabsent aye
Malcolm WicksCroydon NorthLab (minister)absent no
Jon CruddasDagenhamLab (minister)no absent
Alan MilburnDarlingtonLababsent no
Howard StoateDartfordLababsent no
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)aye absent
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLabno absent
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)aye absent
Willie RennieDunfermline and West FifeLDemabsent aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)no aye
Piara S KhabraEaling, SouthallLabno absent
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLababsent no
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Michael MatesEast HampshireConaye absent
Anne MoffatEast LothianLabno absent
Tim LoughtonEast Worthing and ShorehamCon (front bench)absent aye
Greg KnightEast YorkshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLabno absent
Colin BurgonElmetLabno absent
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLabno absent
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLabno absent
Michael JackFyldeConaye absent
John MasonGlasgow EastSNPabsent aye
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)no absent
John MacDougallGlenrothesLabno absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLababsent no
Peter ViggersGosportConabsent aye
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)no absent
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)absent no
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)no absent
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLabno absent
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabno aye
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabno aye
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLabno absent
Linda RiordanHalifaxLabno aye
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenCon (front bench)aye absent
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabno aye
Tony McNultyHarrow EastLab (minister)absent no
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabno aye
Andrew DismoreHendonLababsent no
John HowellHenleyConabsent aye
Boris JohnsonHenleyConaye absent
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)aye absent
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)aye absent
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLabno absent
James BrokenshireHornchurchConabsent aye
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)aye absent
Jonathan DjanoglyHuntingdonCon (front bench)absent aye
Greg PopeHyndburnLabno absent
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)no absent
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabno aye
Emily ThornberryIslington South and FinsburyLababsent no
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLab (minister)no absent
George HowarthKnowsley North and Sefton EastLab (minister)absent no
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLabno absent
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)no absent
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)no absent
John BattleLeeds WestLabno absent
Keith VazLeicester EastLabno aye
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)no absent
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLabno aye
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentabsent aye
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Labno absent
Robin CookLivingstonLabno absent
Jim DevineLivingstonLababsent no
Andy ReedLoughboroughLababsent aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)no aye
Theresa MayMaidenheadCon (front bench)absent aye
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConabsent aye
Alan MealeMansfieldLabno absent
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabno aye
Elfyn LlwydMeirionnydd Nant ConwyPC (front bench)no aye
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)aye absent
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLabno absent
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)no aye
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLababsent no
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)no absent
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLabno absent
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)no aye
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)no absent
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLabno absent
Robert WalterNorth DorsetCon (front bench)aye absent
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)absent aye
Alistair BurtNorth East BedfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireConaye absent
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLabno absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLabno both
James GrayNorth WiltshireConaye absent
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthConaye absent
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLabno absent
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabno aye
Derek ConwayOld Bexley and Sidcupwhilst Conaye absent
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLabno absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)aye absent
John HoramOrpingtonConaye absent
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabno aye
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)no aye
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)aye absent
Paul TruswellPudseyLabno aye
Martin SalterReading WestLabno absent
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)no absent
Crispin BluntReigateCon (front bench)absent aye
Paul RowenRochdaleLDemaye absent
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Charles KennedyRoss, Skye and LochaberLDem (front bench)aye absent
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLabno absent
Nick HurdRuislip - NorthwoodConabsent aye
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)aye absent
John GreenwayRyedaleConaye absent
Elliot MorleyScunthorpeLab (minister)absent no
Tony BlairSedgefieldLab (minister)no absent
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLababsent no
Paddy TippingSherwoodLabno absent
Philip DaviesShipleyConabsent aye
David MilibandSouth ShieldsLab (minister)no absent
Patrick CormackSouth StaffordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLabno absent
Stephen LadymanSouth ThanetLab (minister)absent no
Anne McGuireStirlingLab (minister)no absent
Frank CookStockton NorthLabno absent
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabno aye
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)aye absent
Siân JamesSwansea EastLabno absent
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLabno aye
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)aye absent
Matthew TaylorTruro and St AustellLDem (front bench)no aye
Angela WatkinsonUpminsterCon (front bench)absent aye
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)no aye
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLabno aye
Claire WardWatfordLab (minister)absent tellno
Mike HallWeaver ValeLabno absent
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)aye absent
Tom WatsonWest Bromwich EastLab (minister)absent no
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)no absent
Neil TurnerWiganLabno absent
Mark OatenWinchesterLDem (front bench)aye absent
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependentno aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 645 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 433 voted the same way, with 36 voting in opposite ways. There were 31 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 145 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
433
(433 + 36 + 0.2x145)
=
433
498
= 0.869 = 86.9 %.


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