Comparison of Divisions: Identity Cards Bill — Timetable — 28 Jun 2005 at 21:59 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

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Vote (a) : Identity Cards Bill — Timetable - 28 Jun 2005 at 21:59 - Division No. 21

The Aye-voters agreed to set a timetable for Standing Committee D and "Third Reading" debate of the Identity Cards Bill.

The Standing Committee is to finish its work by Tuesday 19th July 2005. Afterwards, when the "Third Reading" is held in the main chamber, the debate must finish one hour before the end of the Parliamentary day.

MPs could have demanded a longer timetable with more scrutiny had they chosen to vote this motion down.

Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by name

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their inverted vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLabaye absent
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)aye absent
John BattleLeeds WestLabaye absent
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)aye absent
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthConno absent
Tony BlairSedgefieldLab (minister)aye absent
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)no absent
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)aye absent
Colin BurgonElmetLabaye absent
John ButterfillBournemouth WestConno absent
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLabaye absent
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLab (minister)aye absent
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLabaye absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)no absent
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)aye absent
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)tellaye aye
Ben ChapmanWirral SouthLababsent no
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)no absent
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLabno absent
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Geoffrey Clifton-BrownCotswoldCon (front bench)absent aye
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLabaye aye
Derek ConwayOld Bexley and Sidcupwhilst Conno absent
Frank CookStockton NorthLabno absent
Robin CookLivingstonLabaye absent
Jon CruddasDagenhamLab (minister)aye absent
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentabsent aye
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Con (front bench)no absent
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)absent no
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenCon (front bench)no absent
Jim DevineLivingstonLababsent no
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLabaye absent
David DrewStroudLab (minister)absent no
Gwyneth DunwoodyCrewe and NantwichLabno absent
Mark DurkanFoyleSDLP (front bench)no absent
Bill EtheringtonSunderland NorthLabaye absent
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyCon (front bench)no absent
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye aye
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)aye absent
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)no absent
Eric ForthBromley and ChislehurstConno absent
Roger GaleNorth ThanetCon (front bench)absent aye
George GallowayBethnal Green and BowRespectno absent
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Bruce GeorgeWalsall SouthLababsent no
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLabno absent
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)no absent
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLabaye absent
James GrayNorth WiltshireConno absent
John GreenwayRyedaleConno absent
John GummerSuffolk CoastalConabsent aye
William HagueRichmond (Yorks)Conabsent aye
Peter HainNeathLab (minister)absent no
Mike HallWeaver ValeLabaye absent
Patrick HallBedfordLabaye absent
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)aye absent
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)no absent
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)no absent
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLabaye absent
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)aye absent
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLabaye absent
Margaret HodgeBarkingLab (minister)aye absent
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)aye absent
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)aye absent
John HoramOrpingtonConno absent
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)no absent
John HowellHenleyConabsent aye
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)aye absent
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLabaye aye
Mark HunterCheadleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLabaye absent
Adam IngramEast Kilbride, Strathaven and LesmahagowLab (minister)absent no
Michael JackFyldeConno absent
Siân JamesSwansea EastLabaye absent
Boris JohnsonHenleyConno absent
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLabno absent
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLabaye absent
Paul KeetchHerefordLDemno absent
Charles KennedyRoss, Skye and LochaberLDem (front bench)no absent
Piara S KhabraEaling, SouthallLabaye absent
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLabaye absent
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveConno absent
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLabaye absent
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Julian LewisNew Forest EastCon (front bench)absent aye
Martin LintonBatterseaLabaye absent
Andrew LoveEdmontonLab (minister)absent no
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)no absent
John MacDougallGlenrothesLabaye absent
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLabaye aye
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)no absent
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLabaye absent
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLabaye absent
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)no absent
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLabaye absent
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)aye absent
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)no absent
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye aye
David MarshallGlasgow EastLabaye absent
John MasonGlasgow EastSNPabsent aye
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)no absent
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLabaye absent
Eddie McGradySouth DownSDLPno absent
Anne McGuireStirlingLab (minister)aye absent
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLabaye aye
Alan MealeMansfieldLabaye absent
David MilibandSouth ShieldsLab (minister)aye absent
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLabaye absent
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)no absent
Anne MoffatEast LothianLabaye absent
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLabaye aye
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)no absent
Kali MountfordColne ValleyLabaye absent
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)no absent
Bob NeillBromley and ChislehurstConabsent aye
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLabaye absent
Mark OatenWinchesterLDem (front bench)no absent
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)no absent
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)absent aye
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)aye absent
Richard OttawayCroydon SouthCon (front bench)absent aye
Albert OwenYnys MônLab (minister)absent no
Ian PaisleyNorth AntrimDUP (front bench)no absent
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLabaye aye
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireConno absent
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Conno absent
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independentabsent aye
Greg PopeHyndburnLabaye absent
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)aye absent
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)aye absent
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLabaye aye
Jamie ReedCopelandLabaye absent
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLab (minister)aye absent
Willie RennieDunfermline and West FifeLDemabsent aye
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)aye absent
Iris RobinsonStrangfordDUPno absent
Paul RowenRochdaleLDemno absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLababsent no
Alex SalmondBanff and BuchanSNP (front bench)no absent
Martin SalterReading WestLabaye absent
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLababsent no
Clare ShortBirmingham, Ladywoodwhilst Labno absent
David SimpsonUpper BannDUP (front bench)no absent
Marsha SinghBradford WestLabaye absent
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye aye
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLababsent no
John SmithVale of GlamorganLababsent no
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLabaye absent
Nicholas SoamesMid SussexConabsent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Conno absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independentabsent aye
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)no absent
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLabaye absent
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)aye absent
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)no absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLabno both
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichConabsent aye
Paddy TippingSherwoodLabaye absent
Paul TruswellPudseyLababsent aye
Neil TurnerWiganLabaye absent
Keith VazLeicester EastLabaye aye
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentabsent aye
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Labno absent
Nigel WatersonEastbourneCon (front bench)absent aye
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConabsent aye
Betty WilliamsConwyLabaye absent
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)no absent
David WilshireSpelthorneConno absent
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLababsent no
David WinnickWalsall NorthLab (minister)absent no
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLabaye absent
George YoungNorth West HampshireCon (front bench)absent aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 645 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 15 voted the same way, with 467 voting in opposite ways. There were 20 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 143 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up on opposite sides. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
467
(467 + 15 + 0.2x143)
=
467
510.6
= 0.915 = 91.5 %.


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