Comparison of Divisions: Orders of the Day — Further Education and Training Bill [L ords] — 21 May 2007 at 21:39 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

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Vote (a) (unedited): Orders of the Day — Further Education and Training Bill [L ords] - 21 May 2007 at 21:39 - Division No. 124

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time.

Our further education system has seen unprecedented investment and reform in recent years, and continued reform is vital if the United Kingdom is to become a country with world-class skills by 2020.

I beg to move, To leave out from "That" to the end of the Question, and to add instead thereof:

"That this House declines to give a Second Reading to the Further Education and Training Bill [Lords] because it will introduce yet another expensive reorganisation of the learning and skills councils, further entrenching the management of vocational training through a regional structure; it will grant the Learning and Skills Council draconian new powers to dismiss college governors, principals and senior managers; and despite the recommendations of the Leitch Review of Skills it fails to address the UK's relatively poor performance in intermediate level vocational skills, the growing problem of young people not in education, employment or training, the declining numbers of learners in apprenticeships at all levels, and profound doubts about the timetable for the introduction of the new 14-19 specialised Diplomas."

Question put, That the amendment be made:-

The House divided: Ayes 137, Noes 296.

Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)aye absent
Tim BoswellDaventryConaye absent
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)aye absent
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenCon (front bench)aye absent
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)aye absent
John GreenwayRyedaleConaye absent
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)aye absent
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)aye absent
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)aye absent
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)aye absent
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)aye absent
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)aye absent
Sir David AmessSouthend WestCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael AncramDevizesCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard BaconSouth NorfolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter BoneWellingboroughCon (front bench)absent aye
Angela BrowningTiverton and HonitonCon (front bench)absent aye
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)absent aye
Geoffrey Clifton-BrownCotswoldCon (front bench)absent aye
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)absent aye
Nadine DorriesMid BedfordshireConabsent aye
Philip DunneLudlowCon (front bench)absent aye
Tobias EllwoodBournemouth EastCon (front bench)absent aye
David EvennettBexleyheath and CrayfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael FallonSevenoaksCon (front bench)absent aye
Liam FoxWoodspringCon (front bench)absent aye
Christopher FraserSouth West NorfolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Edward GarnierHarboroughCon (front bench)absent aye
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)absent aye
John GummerSuffolk CoastalConabsent aye
William HagueRichmond (Yorks)Con (front bench)absent aye
Greg HandsHammersmith and FulhamCon (front bench)absent aye
Douglas HoggSleaford and North HykehamConabsent aye
Adam HollowayGraveshamCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael HowardFolkestone and HytheConabsent aye
John HowellHenleyConabsent aye
Bernard JenkinNorth EssexCon (front bench)absent aye
Robert KeySalisburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Greg KnightEast YorkshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Eleanor LaingEpping ForestCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew LansleySouth CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Edward LeighGainsboroughCon (front bench)absent aye
Maria MillerBasingstokeCon (front bench)absent aye
Anne MiltonGuildfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Brooks NewmarkBraintreeCon (front bench)absent aye
Stephen O'BrienEddisburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard OttawayCroydon SouthCon (front bench)absent aye
Mike PenningHemel HempsteadCon (front bench)absent aye
David RuffleyBury St EdmundsCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard ShepherdAldridge-BrownhillsCon (front bench)absent aye
Nicholas SoamesMid SussexCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael SpicerWest WorcestershireCon (front bench)absent aye
Anthony SteenTotnesCon (front bench)absent aye
Hugo SwireEast DevonCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter TapsellLouth and HorncastleConabsent aye
Ian TaylorEsher and WaltonConabsent aye
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichConabsent aye
David TredinnickBosworthConabsent aye
Andrew TurnerIsle of WightConabsent aye
Andrew TyrieChichesterCon (front bench)absent aye
Ed VaizeyWantageCon (front bench)absent aye
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConabsent aye
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)absent aye
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)absent aye
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)absent aye
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPabsent aye
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentno aye
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)absent aye
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentabsent aye
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabno aye
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)no aye
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)no aye
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabno aye
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)no aye
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabno aye
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)no aye
Kate HoeyVauxhallLabno aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)no aye
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)no aye
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabno aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)no aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLab (minister)no aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)no aye
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)no aye
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)no aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)no aye
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabno aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)no aye
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)no aye
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabno aye
Keith VazLeicester EastLabno aye
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)no both
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)no absent
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)no absent
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)no absent
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)no absent
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)no absent
Colin BurgonElmetLabno absent
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLab (minister)no absent
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)no absent
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)no absent
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLabno absent
Gwyneth DunwoodyCrewe and NantwichLab (minister)no absent
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)no absent
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)no absent
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)no absent
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLabno absent
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)no absent
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)no absent
Margaret HodgeBarkingLab (minister)no absent
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)no absent
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)no absent
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)no absent
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)no absent
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLabno absent
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLab (minister)no absent
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)no absent
Martin LintonBatterseaLab (minister)no absent
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLabno absent
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)no absent
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)no absent
David MarshallGlasgow EastLab (minister)no absent
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLabno absent
Anne McGuireStirlingLab (minister)no absent
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLabno absent
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)no absent
Kali MountfordColne ValleyLab (minister)no absent
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)no absent
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)no absent
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)no absent
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)no absent
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLab (minister)no absent
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)no absent
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLab (minister)no absent
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLabno absent
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)no absent
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)no absent
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)no absent
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLabno absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Labno absent
Betty WilliamsConwyLabno absent
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)no absent
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)no absent
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLababsent aye
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLababsent aye
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLababsent aye
Paul TruswellPudseyLababsent aye
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLababsent aye
Janet AndersonRossendale and DarwenLab (minister)absent no
Hilary ArmstrongNorth West DurhamLab (minister)absent no
Charlotte AtkinsStaffordshire MoorlandsLab (minister)absent no
Kevin BarronRother ValleyLab (minister)absent no
Margaret BeckettDerby SouthLab (minister)absent no
David BlunkettSheffield, BrightsideLababsent no
David BorrowSouth RibbleLab (minister)absent no
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)absent no
David ChaytorBury NorthLab (minister)absent no
David ClellandTyne BridgeLab (minister)absent no
Michael ConnartyLinlithgow and East FalkirkLab (minister)absent no
Mary CreaghWakefieldLab (minister)absent no
Wayne DavidCaerphillyLab (minister)absent no
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)absent no
Frank DobsonHolborn and St PancrasLab (minister)absent no
Jim DowdLewisham WestLab (minister)absent no
David DrewStroudLab (minister)absent no
Natascha EngelNorth East DerbyshireLab (minister)absent no
Jim FitzpatrickPoplar and Canning TownLab (minister)absent no
Linda GilroyPlymouth, SuttonLab (minister)absent no
Stephen HepburnJarrowLab (minister)absent no
Phil HopeCorbyLab (minister)absent no
Kim HowellsPontypriddLab (minister)absent no
Brian IddonBolton South EastLab (minister)absent no
Tessa JowellDulwich and West NorwoodLab (minister)absent no
Eric JoyceFalkirkLab (minister)absent no
Ruth KellyBolton WestLab (minister)absent no
Jane KennedyLiverpool, WavertreeLababsent no
Mark LazarowiczEdinburgh North and LeithLab (minister)absent no
David LepperBrighton, PavilionLab (minister)absent no
Andrew LoveEdmontonLab (minister)absent no
Ian McCartneyMakerfieldLab (minister)absent no
John McFallWest DunbartonshireLab (minister)absent no
Chris MoleIpswichLab (minister)absent no
Margaret MoranLuton SouthLab (minister)absent no
Jessica MordenNewport EastLab (minister)absent no
George MudieLeeds EastLab (minister)absent no
Doug NaysmithBristol North WestLab (minister)absent no
Albert OwenYnys MônLab (minister)absent no
Dawn PrimaroloBristol SouthLab (minister)absent no
Terry RooneyBradford NorthLab (minister)absent no
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLababsent no
Mohammad SarwarGlasgow CentralLab (minister)absent no
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLababsent no
Barry SheermanHuddersfieldLab (minister)absent no
Andrew SlaughterEaling, Acton and Shepherd's BushLab (minister)absent no
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLab (minister)absent no
Howard StoateDartfordLab (minister)absent no
Jack StrawBlackburnLab (minister)absent no
Emily ThornberryIslington South and FinsburyLab (minister)absent no
Desmond TurnerBrighton, KemptownLab (minister)absent no
Claire WardWatfordLab (minister)absent tellno
Tom WatsonWest Bromwich EastLab (minister)absent no
Malcolm WicksCroydon NorthLab (minister)absent no
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLababsent no
Danny AlexanderInverness, Nairn, Badenoch and StrathspeyLDem (front bench)no aye
Annette BrookeMid Dorset and North PooleLDem (front bench)no aye
Jeremy BrowneTauntonLDem (front bench)no aye
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)no aye
Paul BurstowSutton and CheamLDem (front bench)no aye
Vincent CableTwickenhamLDem (front bench)no aye
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)no aye
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)no aye
Edward DaveyKingston and SurbitonLDem (front bench)no aye
Tim FarronWestmorland and LonsdaleLDem (front bench)no aye
Andrew GeorgeSt IvesLDemno aye
Julia GoldsworthyFalmouth and CamborneLDem (front bench)no aye
Evan HarrisOxford West and AbingdonLDem (front bench)no aye
Martin HorwoodCheltenhamLDem (front bench)no aye
Simon HughesNorth Southwark and BermondseyLDem (front bench)no aye
Susan KramerRichmond ParkLDem (front bench)no aye
Norman LambNorth NorfolkLDem (front bench)no aye
John LeechManchester, WithingtonLDem (front bench)no aye
Michael MooreBerwickshire, Roxburgh and SelkirkLDem (front bench)no aye
Willie RennieDunfermline and West FifeLDem (front bench)no aye
Dan RogersonNorth CornwallLDem (front bench)no tellaye
Bob RussellColchesterLDem (front bench)no aye
Adrian SandersTorbayLDem (front bench)no aye
Andrew StunellHazel GroveLDem (front bench)no aye
Sarah TeatherBrent EastLDem (front bench)no aye
Steve WebbNorthavonLDemno aye
Stephen WilliamsBristol WestLDem (front bench)no aye
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)no absent
Mark OatenWinchesterLDemno absent
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)no absent
Norman BakerLewesLDemabsent aye
John BarrettEdinburgh WestLDem (front bench)absent aye
Alan BeithBerwick-upon-TweedLDem (front bench)absent aye
Tom BrakeCarshalton and WallingtonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Colin BreedSouth East CornwallLDem (front bench)absent aye
Lorely BurtSolihullLDem (front bench)absent aye
Lynne FeatherstoneHornsey and Wood GreenLDem (front bench)absent aye
Don FosterBathLDem (front bench)absent aye
Nick HarveyNorth DevonLDem (front bench)absent aye
David HeathSomerton and FromeLDem (front bench)absent aye
John HemmingBirmingham, YardleyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paul HolmesChesterfieldLDem (front bench)absent aye
David HowarthCambridgeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Christopher HuhneEastleighLDem (front bench)absent aye
Mark HunterCheadleLDem (front bench)absent aye
David LawsYeovilLDem (front bench)absent aye
Greg MulhollandLeeds North WestLDem (front bench)absent aye
John PughSouthportLDem (front bench)absent aye
Alan ReidArgyll and ButeLDem (front bench)absent tellaye
Robert SmithWest Aberdeenshire and KincardineLDem (front bench)absent aye
Matthew TaylorTruro and St AustellLDemabsent aye
John ThursoCaithness, Sutherland and Easter RossLDem (front bench)absent aye
Mark WilliamsCeredigionLDem (front bench)absent aye
Phil WillisHarrogate and KnaresboroughLDem (front bench)absent aye
Jennifer WillottCardiff CentralLDem (front bench)absent aye
Richard Younger-RossTeignbridgeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Elfyn LlwydMeirionnydd Nant ConwyPC (front bench)no aye
Hywel WilliamsCaernarfonPC (front bench)no aye
Adam PriceCarmarthen East and DinefwrPC (front bench)absent aye
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)absent aye
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
John MasonGlasgow EastSNPabsent aye
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)absent aye
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)absent aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 312 voted the same way, with 54 voting in opposite ways. There were 65 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 215 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
312
(312 + 54 + 0.2x215)
=
312
409
= 0.763 = 76.3 %.


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