Comparison of Divisions: Orders of the Day — New Clause 12 — Impaired decision making — 19 Jun 2007 at 19:45 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

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Vote (a) (unedited): Orders of the Day — New Clause 12 — Impaired decision making - 19 Jun 2007 at 19:45 - Division No. 145

I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

My speech will take a little longer than the Minister just took in eventually forcing herself to say that she supported the last amendment we discussed. I hope that she will take a little less time to reach the same denouement on new clause 12. It should come as no surprise to her, as it mirrors amendments tabled in the Lords which she promptly savaged in Committee on very poor grounds. I hope that she has reconsidered and consulted experts, and will admit the error of her ways by now agreeing to restore this rightful amendment to the Bill, whose provisions were originally added to it in the Lords.

It being two and a half hours after commencement of proceedings on the motion, Mr. Deputy Speaker put forthwith the Question already proposed from the C hair, pursuant to Order <[/i> 18 June ].

Question put, That the clause be read a Second time:-

The House divided: Ayes 206, Noes 289.

Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by name

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabno aye
Douglas AlexanderPaisley and Renfrewshire SouthLab (minister)absent no
Michael AncramDevizesCon (front bench)absent aye
David AndersonBlaydonLab (minister)absent no
Janet AndersonRossendale and DarwenLab (minister)absent no
Charlotte AtkinsStaffordshire MoorlandsLab (minister)absent no
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)no absent
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)no absent
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)no absent
Margaret BeckettDerby SouthLab (minister)absent no
Anne BeggAberdeen SouthLab (minister)absent no
Richard BenyonNewburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)aye absent
Roberta Blackman-WoodsCity of DurhamLab (minister)absent no
Hazel BlearsSalfordLab (minister)absent no
Bob BlizzardWaveneyLab (minister)absent no
Crispin BluntReigateCon (front bench)absent aye
David BorrowSouth RibbleLab (minister)absent no
Tim BoswellDaventryConaye absent
Ben BradshawExeterLab (minister)absent no
Julian BrazierCanterburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)absent no
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)no absent
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)no absent
Colin BurgonElmetLabno absent
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLabno absent
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLab (minister)no absent
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)absent aye
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLab (minister)no absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)aye absent
Douglas CarswellHarwichCon (front bench)absent aye
Bill CashStoneCon (front bench)absent aye
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)no absent
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)no aye
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)no absent
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)aye absent
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLabno absent
Geoffrey Clifton-BrownCotswoldCon (front bench)absent aye
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)no aye
Yvette CooperPontefract and CastlefordLab (minister)absent no
David CurrySkipton and RiponCon (front bench)absent aye
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)absent no
Ian DavidsonGlasgow South WestLab (minister)absent no
David DaviesMonmouthCon (front bench)absent aye
Philip DaviesShipleyConabsent aye
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)absent no
Parmjit DhandaGloucesterLab (minister)absent no
Andrew DismoreHendonLab (minister)absent no
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)no absent
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)absent aye
Nadine DorriesMid BedfordshireConabsent aye
Iain Duncan SmithChingford and Woodford GreenConabsent aye
Philip DunneLudlowCon (front bench)absent aye
Gwyneth DunwoodyCrewe and NantwichLab (minister)no absent
Natascha EngelNorth East DerbyshireLab (minister)absent no
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)absent aye
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLababsent aye
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)no absent
Liam FoxWoodspringCon (front bench)absent aye
Christopher FraserSouth West NorfolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)no absent
Barry GardinerBrent NorthLab (minister)absent no
Edward GarnierHarboroughCon (front bench)absent aye
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)no aye
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)no absent
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLabno absent
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)absent aye
Justine GreeningPutneyCon (front bench)absent aye
Dominic GrieveBeaconsfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)no absent
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)no absent
Stephen HammondWimbledonCon (front bench)absent aye
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)aye absent
Greg HandsHammersmith and FulhamCon (front bench)absent aye
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)aye absent
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLabno absent
Nick HerbertArundel and South DownsCon (front bench)absent aye
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)no aye
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)no absent
Mark HobanFarehamCon (front bench)absent aye
Margaret HodgeBarkingLab (minister)no absent
Sharon HodgsonGateshead East and Washington WestLab (minister)absent no
Kate HoeyVauxhallLababsent aye
Philip HolloboneKetteringCon (front bench)absent aye
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)no absent
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)no absent
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)no aye
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael HowardFolkestone and HytheConabsent aye
Gerald HowarthAldershotCon (front bench)absent aye
John HowellHenleyConabsent aye
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)no absent
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)no aye
Mark HunterCheadleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)no absent
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)aye absent
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLababsent aye
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)no absent
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)aye absent
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)no absent
Alan KeenFeltham and HestonLab (minister)absent no
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)aye absent
Ruth KellyBolton WestLab (minister)absent no
Charles KennedyRoss, Skye and LochaberLDemaye absent
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLabno absent
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)aye absent
Jim KnightSouth DorsetLab (minister)absent no
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLab (minister)no absent
Stephen LadymanSouth ThanetLab (minister)absent no
Bob LaxtonDerby NorthLab (minister)absent no
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)no absent
Martin LintonBatterseaLab (minister)no absent
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)no aye
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)aye absent
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)no absent
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)no absent
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLab (minister)no aye
David MarshallGlasgow EastLab (minister)no absent
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabno aye
John MasonGlasgow EastSNPabsent aye
Michael MatesEast HampshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Theresa MayMaidenheadCon (front bench)absent aye
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLabno absent
Sarah McCarthy-FryPortsmouth NorthLab (minister)absent no
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)absent aye
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLababsent aye
Jim McGovernDundee WestLab (minister)absent no
Eddie McGradySouth DownSDLPno absent
Anne McGuireStirlingLab (minister)no absent
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)no aye
Rosemary McKennaCumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch EastLab (minister)absent no
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLabno absent
Alan MealeMansfieldLab (minister)no absent
Patrick MercerNewarkConabsent aye
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)no absent
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)no absent
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)no absent
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)no aye
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Brooks NewmarkBraintreeCon (front bench)absent aye
Stephen O'BrienEddisburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark OatenWinchesterLDemaye absent
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)absent aye
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)no absent
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)no aye
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)no aye
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)no absent
Adam PriceCarmarthen East and DinefwrPC (front bench)absent aye
Dawn PrimaroloBristol SouthLab (minister)absent no
John PughSouthportLDem (front bench)absent aye
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)no absent
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabno aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)no aye
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)no absent
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaConabsent aye
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)no aye
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)absent aye
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)no absent
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPabsent aye
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)aye absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLababsent no
David RuffleyBury St EdmundsCon (front bench)absent aye
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)no absent
Adrian SandersTorbayLDem (front bench)absent aye
Mohammad SarwarGlasgow CentralLab (minister)absent no
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLababsent no
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabno aye
David SimpsonUpper BannDUP (front bench)aye absent
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)no absent
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabno aye
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLab (minister)no absent
Nicholas SoamesMid SussexCon (front bench)absent aye
Helen SouthworthWarrington SouthLab (minister)absent no
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Richard SpringWest SuffolkCon (front bench)absent aye
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)aye absent
Anthony SteenTotnesCon (front bench)absent aye
Ian StewartEcclesLababsent no
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLabno absent
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)no absent
Graham StuartBeverley and HoldernessCon (front bench)absent aye
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Hugo SwireEast DevonCon (front bench)absent aye
Robert SymsPooleCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter TapsellLouth and HorncastleConabsent aye
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)no both
Emily ThornberryIslington South and FinsburyLab (minister)absent no
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichConabsent aye
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)no absent
Mark ToddSouth DerbyshireLab (minister)absent no
David TredinnickBosworthConabsent aye
Paul TruswellPudseyLabno aye
Andrew TurnerIsle of WightConabsent aye
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)no absent
Kitty UssherBurnleyLab (minister)absent no
Ed VaizeyWantageCon (front bench)absent aye
Keith VazLeicester EastLabno aye
Theresa VilliersChipping BarnetCon (front bench)absent aye
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLabno absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentabsent aye
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Labno absent
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)absent aye
John WhittingdaleMaldon and East ChelmsfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Betty WilliamsConwyLabno absent
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Phil WillisHarrogate and KnaresboroughLDem (front bench)absent aye
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)aye absent
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLababsent no
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Ann WintertonCongletonCon (front bench)absent aye
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)absent aye
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLababsent aye
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)no absent
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)no absent

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 386 voted the same way, with 23 voting in opposite ways. There were 47 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 190 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
386
(386 + 23 + 0.2x190)
=
386
447
= 0.864 = 86.4 %.


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