Comparison of Divisions: Orders of the Day — Schedule 1 — The Legal Services Board — 15 Oct 2007 at 19:15 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) (unedited): Orders of the Day — Schedule 1 — The Legal Services Board - 15 Oct 2007 at 19:15 - Division No. 210

Question accordingly negatived.

Amendment made: No. 102, in page 120, line 11, at end insert-

'( ) Before appointing an ordinary member, the Lord Chancellor must consult the Lord Chief Justice.'.- [Mr. Wills.]

Amendment proposed: No. 75, in page 120, line 17, leave out 'first'.- [Mr. Kevan Jones.]

Question put, That the amendment be made:-

The House divided: Ayes 304, Noes 129.

Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by constituency

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their inverted vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Gerald HowarthAldershotCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard ShepherdAldridge-BrownhillsCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark TamiAlyn and DeesideLab (minister)absent no
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)aye absent
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)absent aye
Alan ReidArgyll and ButeLDem (front bench)absent tellaye
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)aye absent
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)aye absent
Tony BaldryBanburyConabsent aye
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)aye absent
John HuttonBarrow and FurnessLab (minister)absent no
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)aye absent
Don FosterBathLDem (front bench)aye aye
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLababsent aye
Martin LintonBatterseaLabaye absent
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)aye absent
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPabsent aye
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)absent aye
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)absent aye
Alan BeithBerwick-upon-TweedLDem (front bench)aye aye
Michael MooreBerwickshire, Roxburgh and SelkirkLDem (front bench)aye aye
Graham StuartBeverley and HoldernessCon (front bench)absent aye
Gregory BarkerBexhill and BattleCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)aye absent
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLabaye absent
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLabaye absent
John HemmingBirmingham, YardleyLDem (front bench)aye aye
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLab (minister)aye aye
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentaye aye
David AndersonBlaydonLab (minister)absent no
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLab (minister)aye absent
David CrausbyBolton North EastLab (minister)absent no
Joe BentonBootleLab (minister)absent no
David TredinnickBosworthConabsent aye
Tobias EllwoodBournemouth EastCon (front bench)absent aye
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)no absent
Gerry SutcliffeBradford SouthLab (minister)absent no
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)aye absent
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Sarah TeatherBrent EastLDem (front bench)aye aye
Barry GardinerBrent NorthLab (minister)absent no
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLabaye aye
David LepperBrighton, PavilionLab (minister)absent no
Stephen WilliamsBristol WestLDem (front bench)absent aye
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye aye
Kitty UssherBurnleyLab (minister)absent no
Janet DeanBurtonLab (minister)absent no
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Hywel WilliamsCaernarfonPC (front bench)aye aye
John ThursoCaithness, Sutherland and Easter RossLDem (front bench)aye aye
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLabaye absent
David HowarthCambridgeLDem (front bench)aye aye
Jennifer WillottCardiff CentralLDem (front bench)aye aye
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Adam PriceCarmarthen East and DinefwrPC (front bench)absent aye
Nick AingerCarmarthen West and South PembrokeshireLababsent no
Tom BrakeCarshalton and WallingtonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Con (front bench)no absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Mark WilliamsCeredigionLDem (front bench)aye aye
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark HunterCheadleLDem (front bench)aye aye
Martin HorwoodCheltenhamLDem (front bench)aye aye
Paul HolmesChesterfieldLDem (front bench)aye aye
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)aye absent
Roberta Blackman-WoodsCity of DurhamLab (minister)absent no
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLabaye aye
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Bob RussellColchesterLDem (front bench)absent aye
Kali MountfordColne ValleyLab (minister)aye absent
Betty WilliamsConwyLabaye absent
Bob AinsworthCoventry North EastLab (minister)absent no
Geoffrey RobinsonCoventry North WestLababsent no
Gwyneth DunwoodyCrewe and NantwichLab (minister)aye absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichConabsent aye
Claire Curtis-ThomasCrosbyLab (minister)aye absent
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm WicksCroydon NorthLab (minister)absent no
Richard OttawayCroydon SouthCon (front bench)absent aye
Jon CruddasDagenhamLabaye absent
Alan MilburnDarlingtonLababsent no
Howard StoateDartfordLab (minister)absent no
Tim BoswellDaventryConno absent
Margaret BeckettDerby SouthLababsent no
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Gwyn ProsserDoverLab (minister)absent no
Ian PearsonDudley SouthLab (minister)absent no
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)no absent
Willie RennieDunfermline and West FifeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Stephen TimmsEast HamLab (minister)absent no
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)absent aye
Jim MurphyEast RenfrewshireLab (minister)absent no
Tim LoughtonEast Worthing and ShorehamCon (front bench)absent aye
Christopher HuhneEastleighLDem (front bench)aye aye
Stephen O'BrienEddisburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)absent no
John BarrettEdinburgh WestLDem (front bench)aye aye
Colin BurgonElmetLabaye absent
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)aye absent
Ian TaylorEsher and WaltonConabsent aye
Julia GoldsworthyFalmouth and CamborneLDem (front bench)aye aye
Michael HowardFolkestone and HytheConabsent aye
Edward LeighGainsboroughCon (front bench)absent aye
David MarshallGlasgow EastLab (minister)aye absent
John MasonGlasgow EastSNPabsent aye
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)aye absent
Tom HarrisGlasgow SouthLab (minister)absent no
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLababsent no
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)aye aye
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)aye absent
Adam HollowayGraveshamCon (front bench)absent aye
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)aye absent
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye aye
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLababsent aye
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)aye absent
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye aye
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLababsent aye
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)aye absent
Phil WillisHarrogate and KnaresboroughLDem (front bench)aye aye
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye aye
Andrew StunellHazel GroveLDem (front bench)aye aye
Mike PenningHemel HempsteadCon (front bench)absent aye
John HowellHenleyConabsent aye
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)no absent
Lynne FeatherstoneHornsey and Wood GreenLDem (front bench)aye aye
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)no absent
Barry SheermanHuddersfieldLab (minister)absent no
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)aye absent
Danny AlexanderInverness, Nairn, Badenoch and StrathspeyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye aye
Stephen HepburnJarrowLab (minister)absent no
Ann CryerKeighleyLab (minister)absent no
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaConabsent aye
Des BrowneKilmarnock and LoudounLab (minister)absent no
Edward DaveyKingston and SurbitonLDem (front bench)absent aye
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLabaye absent
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)absent no
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)absent aye
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)aye absent
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)aye absent
Greg MulhollandLeeds North WestLDem (front bench)aye aye
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)aye absent
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)absent aye
Norman BakerLewesLDem (front bench)aye aye
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)aye absent
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)absent aye
Michael ConnartyLinlithgow and East FalkirkLab (minister)absent no
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLabaye absent
Jane KennedyLiverpool, WavertreeLab (minister)absent no
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentabsent aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye aye
Philip DunneLudlowCon (front bench)absent aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Margaret MoranLuton SouthLab (minister)absent no
Nicholas WintertonMacclesfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Theresa MayMaidenheadCon (front bench)absent aye
John LeechManchester, WithingtonLDem (front bench)aye aye
Alan MealeMansfieldLab (minister)aye absent
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLababsent aye
Elfyn LlwydMeirionnydd Nant ConwyPC (front bench)aye aye
Caroline SpelmanMeridenCon (front bench)absent aye
Dai HavardMerthyr Tydfil and RhymneyLab (minister)absent no
Annette BrookeMid Dorset and North PooleLDem (front bench)aye aye
Nicholas SoamesMid SussexCon (front bench)absent aye
Stuart BellMiddlesbroughLab (minister)absent no
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLab (minister)aye absent
David DaviesMonmouthCon (front bench)absent aye
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)absent aye
Peter HainNeathLab (minister)absent no
Julian LewisNew Forest EastCon (front bench)absent aye
Patrick MercerNewarkConabsent aye
Jim CousinsNewcastle upon Tyne CentralLab (minister)absent no
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye aye
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)aye absent
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)aye absent
Dan RogersonNorth CornwallLDem (front bench)absent tellaye
Nick HarveyNorth DevonLDem (front bench)aye aye
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)absent aye
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDemabsent aye
James ArbuthnotNorth East HampshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Norman LambNorth NorfolkLDem (front bench)aye aye
Simon HughesNorth Southwark and BermondseyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Roger GaleNorth ThanetCon (front bench)absent aye
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLabaye absent
George YoungNorth West HampshireCon (front bench)absent aye
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)aye both
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)no absent
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)no absent
Steve WebbNorthavonLDemaye aye
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLabaye absent
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLababsent aye
Derek ConwayOld Bexley and Sidcupwhilst Con (front bench)no absent
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLabaye absent
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye aye
Evan HarrisOxford West and AbingdonLDem (front bench)aye aye
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)absent aye
Linda GilroyPlymouth, SuttonLab (minister)absent no
Kim HowellsPontypriddLab (minister)absent no
Stephen CrabbPreseli PembrokeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye aye
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConno absent
William HagueRichmond (Yorks)Con (front bench)absent aye
Susan KramerRichmond ParkLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)aye absent
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)no absent
Alan DuncanRutland and MeltonCon (front bench)absent aye
Hazel BlearsSalfordLab (minister)absent no
Robert KeySalisburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Elliot MorleyScunthorpeLababsent no
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLabaye absent
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Meg MunnSheffield, HeeleyLab (minister)absent no
Paddy TippingSherwoodLabaye absent
David CurrySkipton and RiponCon (front bench)absent aye
Lorely BurtSolihullLDem (front bench)aye aye
David HeathSomerton and FromeLDem (front bench)aye aye
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Mark ToddSouth DerbyshireLab (minister)absent no
Colin BreedSouth East CornwallLDem (front bench)aye aye
David BorrowSouth RibbleLab (minister)absent no
Patrick CormackSouth StaffordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Gary StreeterSouth West DevonCon (front bench)absent aye
David GaukeSouth West HertfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
John PughSouthportLDem (front bench)aye aye
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)no absent
Anne MainSt AlbansCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew GeorgeSt IvesLDemaye aye
Anne McGuireStirlingLab (minister)aye absent
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye aye
Bill CashStoneCon (front bench)absent aye
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)no absent
John GummerSuffolk CoastalConabsent aye
Paul BurstowSutton and CheamLDem (front bench)aye aye
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)aye absent
Brian JenkinsTamworthLab (minister)absent no
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)absent aye
Jeremy BrowneTauntonLDem (front bench)aye aye
Richard Younger-RossTeignbridgeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)absent aye
Adrian SandersTorbayLDem (front bench)aye aye
Anthony SteenTotnesCon (front bench)absent aye
David LammyTottenhamLab (minister)absent no
Matthew TaylorTruro and St AustellLDemabsent aye
Greg ClarkTunbridge WellsCon (front bench)absent aye
Vincent CableTwickenhamLDem (front bench)absent aye
John SmithVale of GlamorganLab (minister)absent no
Kate HoeyVauxhallLababsent aye
Mary CreaghWakefieldLab (minister)absent no
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye aye
Denis MurphyWansbeckLab (minister)absent no
Ed VaizeyWantageCon (front bench)absent aye
Claire WardWatfordLab (minister)absent tellno
Charles HendryWealdenCon (front bench)absent aye
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)aye absent
Grant ShappsWelwyn HatfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
John HealeyWentworthLab (minister)absent no
Robert SmithWest Aberdeenshire and KincardineLDem (front bench)aye aye
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)aye absent
Oliver LetwinWest DorsetCon (front bench)absent aye
Tim FarronWestmorland and LonsdaleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)aye absent
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)absent aye
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)no absent
Ken PurchaseWolverhampton North EastLab (minister)absent no
Rob MarrisWolverhampton South WestLab (minister)absent no
Liam FoxWoodspringCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter BottomleyWorthing WestCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)aye aye
Paul GogginsWythenshawe and Sale EastLab (minister)absent no
David LawsYeovilLDem (front bench)absent aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 57 voted the same way, with 311 voting in opposite ways. There were 65 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 213 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up on opposite sides. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
311
(311 + 57 + 0.2x213)
=
311
410.6
= 0.757 = 75.7 %.


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