Comparison of Divisions: Business of the House — 28 Jan 2008 at 15:46 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

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Vote (a) (unedited): Business of the House - 28 Jan 2008 at 15:46 - Division No. 55

I beg to move,

That, at this day's sitting, the Speaker shall put the Questions necessary to dispose of the Motion in the name of Ms Harriet Harman and Secretary David Miliband relating to the Business of the House (Lisbon Treaty) not later than Ten o'clock; proceedings may continue after the moment of interruption; and Standing Order No. 41A (Deferred divisions) shall not apply.

Question put:-

The House divided: Ayes 248, Noes 204.

Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their inverted vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)no absent
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)no absent
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)no absent
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)no absent
Derek ConwayOld Bexley and Sidcupwhilst Con (front bench)no absent
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenCon (front bench)no absent
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConno absent
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)no absent
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)no absent
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)no absent
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)no absent
Boris JohnsonHenleyConno absent
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)no absent
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)no absent
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)no absent
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)no absent
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)no absent
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)no absent
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)no absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Con (front bench)no absent
Robert WalterNorth DorsetConno absent
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)no absent
Michael AncramDevizesCon (front bench)absent aye
James ArbuthnotNorth East HampshireCon (front bench)absent aye
John BercowBuckinghamwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)absent aye
Christopher ChopeChristchurchCon (front bench)absent aye
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)absent aye
James DuddridgeRochford and Southend EastCon (front bench)absent aye
Christopher FraserSouth West NorfolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Nick GibbBognor Regis and LittlehamptonCon (front bench)absent aye
Robert GoodwillScarborough and WhitbyCon (front bench)absent aye
John HayesSouth Holland and The DeepingsCon (front bench)absent aye
Douglas HoggSleaford and North HykehamConabsent aye
Adam HollowayGraveshamCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael HowardFolkestone and HytheConabsent aye
John HowellHenleyConabsent aye
Greg KnightEast YorkshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Oliver LetwinWest DorsetCon (front bench)absent aye
David MacleanPenrith and The BorderCon (front bench)absent aye
Bob NeillBromley and ChislehurstCon (front bench)absent aye
Brooks NewmarkBraintreeCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark PritchardThe WrekinCon (front bench)absent aye
Keith SimpsonMid NorfolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Nicholas SoamesMid SussexCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard SpringWest SuffolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Anthony SteenTotnesCon (front bench)absent aye
Graham StuartBeverley and HoldernessCon (front bench)absent aye
Desmond SwayneNew Forest WestCon (front bench)absent aye
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichConabsent aye
Peter ViggersGosportCon (front bench)absent aye
Ben WallaceLancaster and WyreCon (front bench)absent aye
Nigel WatersonEastbourneCon (front bench)absent aye
Rob WilsonReading EastCon (front bench)absent aye
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)absent aye
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)absent aye
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)absent aye
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPabsent aye
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentaye aye
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)absent aye
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentabsent aye
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye aye
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye aye
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye aye
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye aye
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye aye
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)aye aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLab (minister)aye aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLabaye aye
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye aye
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye aye
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye aye
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye aye
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)aye both
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)aye absent
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)aye absent
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)aye absent
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)aye absent
Colin BurgonElmetLabaye absent
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLabaye absent
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLabaye absent
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)aye absent
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)aye absent
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)aye absent
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLabaye absent
Jon CruddasDagenhamLabaye absent
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)aye absent
Bill EtheringtonSunderland NorthLabaye absent
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)aye absent
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)aye absent
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)aye absent
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)aye absent
Margaret HodgeBarkingLab (minister)aye absent
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)aye absent
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)aye absent
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)aye absent
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLabaye absent
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLab (minister)aye absent
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)aye absent
David MarshallGlasgow EastLab (minister)aye absent
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLabaye absent
Anne McGuireStirlingLab (minister)aye absent
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)aye absent
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)aye absent
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)aye absent
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)aye absent
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLabaye absent
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)aye absent
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)aye absent
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLab (minister)aye absent
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)aye absent
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)aye absent
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)aye absent
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)aye absent
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLabaye absent
Betty WilliamsConwyLabaye absent
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)absent aye
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLababsent aye
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLababsent aye
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLababsent aye
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLababsent aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)absent aye
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLababsent aye
Paul TruswellPudseyLababsent aye
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLababsent aye
Bob AinsworthCoventry North EastLab (minister)absent no
Douglas AlexanderPaisley and Renfrewshire SouthLab (minister)absent no
Graham AllenNottingham NorthLababsent no
Charlotte AtkinsStaffordshire MoorlandsLab (minister)absent no
Hugh BayleyCity of YorkLab (minister)absent no
David BlunkettSheffield, BrightsideLababsent no
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)absent no
Russell BrownDumfries and GallowayLab (minister)absent no
Des BrowneKilmarnock and LoudounLab (minister)absent no
Liam ByrneBirmingham, Hodge HillLab (minister)absent no
Alan CampbellTynemouthLab (minister)absent no
Colin ChallenMorley and RothwellLab (minister)absent no
Ben ChapmanWirral SouthLab (minister)absent no
David ChaytorBury NorthLab (minister)absent no
Vernon CoakerGedlingLab (minister)absent no
David CrausbyBolton North EastLab (minister)absent no
Mary CreaghWakefieldLab (minister)absent no
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)absent no
Ian DavidsonGlasgow South WestLab (minister)absent no
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)absent no
Parmjit DhandaGloucesterLab (minister)absent no
Frank DobsonHolborn and St PancrasLab (minister)absent no
Brian H DonohoeCentral AyrshireLab (minister)absent no
Natascha EngelNorth East DerbyshireLababsent no
Barry GardinerBrent NorthLab (minister)absent no
Andrew GwynneDenton and ReddishLab (minister)absent no
Peter HainNeathLababsent no
Sharon HodgsonGateshead East and Washington WestLab (minister)absent no
George HowarthKnowsley North and Sefton EastLab (minister)absent no
Adam IngramEast Kilbride, Strathaven and LesmahagowLababsent no
Eric JoyceFalkirkLab (minister)absent no
Alan KeenFeltham and HestonLab (minister)absent no
Ruth KellyBolton WestLab (minister)absent no
David LammyTottenhamLab (minister)absent no
Mark LazarowiczEdinburgh North and LeithLab (minister)absent no
Pat McFaddenWolverhampton South EastLab (minister)absent no
Jim McGovernDundee WestLab (minister)absent no
Rosemary McKennaCumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch EastLab (minister)absent no
Tony McNultyHarrow EastLab (minister)absent no
Alan MilburnDarlingtonLababsent no
George MudieLeeds EastLab (minister)absent no
Doug NaysmithBristol North WestLab (minister)absent no
Dan NorrisWansdykeLab (minister)absent no
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLababsent no
Chris RuaneVale of ClwydLab (minister)absent no
Joan RuddockLewisham, DeptfordLab (minister)absent no
Joan RyanEnfield NorthLab (minister)absent no
Mohammad SarwarGlasgow CentralLab (minister)absent no
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLab (minister)absent no
Jacqui SmithRedditchLab (minister)absent no
John SmithVale of GlamorganLab (minister)absent no
Peter SoulsbyLeicester SouthLab (minister)absent no
John SpellarWarleyLababsent no
Howard StoateDartfordLab (minister)absent no
Jack StrawBlackburnLab (minister)absent no
Dari TaylorStockton SouthLab (minister)absent no
Emily ThornberryIslington South and FinsburyLab (minister)absent no
Desmond TurnerBrighton, KemptownLab (minister)absent no
Kitty UssherBurnleyLab (minister)absent no
Joan WalleyStoke-on-Trent NorthLab (minister)absent no
Michael WillsNorth SwindonLab (minister)absent no
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLab (minister)absent no
Phil WoolasOldham East and SaddleworthLab (minister)absent no
Tony WrightCannock ChaseLab (minister)absent no
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)no absent
Mark OatenWinchesterLDemno absent
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)no absent
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)no absent
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)tellno absent
Danny AlexanderInverness, Nairn, Badenoch and StrathspeyLDemabsent aye
Norman BakerLewesLDem (front bench)absent aye
Alan BeithBerwick-upon-TweedLDem (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Tim FarronWestmorland and LonsdaleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Andrew GeorgeSt IvesLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paul HolmesChesterfieldLDemabsent aye
Martin HorwoodCheltenhamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Alan ReidArgyll and ButeLDem (front bench)absent tellaye
Bob RussellColchesterLDem (front bench)absent aye
Robert SmithWest Aberdeenshire and KincardineLDem (front bench)absent aye
Matthew TaylorTruro and St AustellLDemabsent aye
Richard Younger-RossTeignbridgeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Adam PriceCarmarthen East and DinefwrPC (front bench)absent aye
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)absent aye
John MasonGlasgow EastSNPabsent aye
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)absent aye
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)absent aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 19 voted the same way, with 363 voting in opposite ways. There were 60 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 204 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up on opposite sides. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
363
(363 + 19 + 0.2x204)
=
363
422.8
= 0.859 = 85.9 %.


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