Comparison of Divisions: Points of Order — Police Grant — 4 Feb 2008 at 18:54 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) (unedited): Points of Order — Police Grant - 4 Feb 2008 at 18:54 - Division No. 68

I beg to move,

That the Police Grant Report (England and Wales) 2008-09 (House of Commons Paper No. 265), which was laid before this House on 24th January, be approved.

Question put:-

The House divided: Ayes 280, Noes 171.

Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their inverted vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)no absent
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)no absent
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)no absent
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)no absent
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenCon (front bench)no absent
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)no absent
John GreenwayRyedaleConno absent
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)no absent
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)no absent
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)no absent
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)no absent
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)no absent
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)no absent
Michael MatesEast HampshireCon (front bench)no absent
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)no absent
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)no absent
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)no absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Con (front bench)no absent
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)no absent
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)no absent
Peter AtkinsonHexhamCon (front bench)absent aye
Gregory BarkerBexhill and BattleCon (front bench)absent aye
John BaronBillericayCon (front bench)absent aye
Paul BeresfordMole ValleyCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter BottomleyWorthing WestCon (front bench)absent aye
Julian BrazierCanterburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Angela BrowningTiverton and HonitonCon (front bench)absent aye
Alistair BurtNorth East BedfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)absent aye
Geoffrey Clifton-BrownCotswoldCon (front bench)absent aye
Patrick CormackSouth StaffordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Stephen CrabbPreseli PembrokeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)absent aye
Alan DuncanRutland and MeltonCon (front bench)absent aye
Iain Duncan SmithChingford and Woodford GreenConabsent aye
David EvennettBexleyheath and CrayfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael FallonSevenoaksCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark FrancoisRayleighCon (front bench)absent aye
David GaukeSouth West HertfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Nick GibbBognor Regis and LittlehamptonCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael GoveSurrey HeathCon (front bench)absent aye
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)absent aye
Dominic GrieveBeaconsfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Philip HolloboneKetteringCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael HowardFolkestone and HytheConabsent aye
John HowellHenleyConabsent aye
Jeremy HuntSouth West SurreyCon (front bench)absent aye
Bernard JenkinNorth EssexCon (front bench)absent aye
David JonesClwyd WestCon (front bench)absent aye
Daniel KawczynskiShrewsbury and AtchamCon (front bench)absent aye
Greg KnightEast YorkshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Eleanor LaingEpping ForestCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark LancasterNorth East Milton KeynesCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew LansleySouth CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Edward LeighGainsboroughCon (front bench)absent aye
Ian Liddell-GraingerBridgwaterCon (front bench)absent aye
Anne MainSt AlbansCon (front bench)absent aye
Theresa MayMaidenheadCon (front bench)absent aye
Anne McIntoshVale of YorkCon (front bench)absent aye
Patrick MercerNewarkConabsent aye
Maria MillerBasingstokeCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew MitchellSutton ColdfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Brooks NewmarkBraintreeCon (front bench)absent aye
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard OttawayCroydon SouthCon (front bench)absent aye
Mike PenningHemel HempsteadCon (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaConabsent aye
Richard ShepherdAldridge-BrownhillsCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark SimmondsBoston and SkegnessCon (front bench)absent aye
Keith SimpsonMid NorfolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Caroline SpelmanMeridenCon (front bench)absent aye
Graham StuartBeverley and HoldernessCon (front bench)absent aye
Desmond SwayneNew Forest WestCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter TapsellLouth and HorncastleConabsent aye
Ian TaylorEsher and WaltonConabsent aye
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichConabsent aye
Shailesh VaraNorth West CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Theresa VilliersChipping BarnetCon (front bench)absent aye
David WillettsHavantCon (front bench)absent aye
Rob WilsonReading EastCon (front bench)absent aye
Jeremy WrightRugby and KenilworthCon (front bench)absent aye
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)absent aye
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)absent aye
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)absent aye
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPabsent aye
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye aye
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye aye
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye aye
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye aye
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye aye
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye aye
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)aye aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLab (minister)aye aye
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLabaye aye
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye aye
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye aye
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye aye
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye aye
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye aye
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)aye both
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)aye absent
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)aye absent
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)aye absent
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Colin BurgonElmetLabaye absent
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLabaye absent
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLabaye absent
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLabaye absent
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)aye absent
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)aye absent
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)aye absent
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLabaye absent
Frank CookStockton NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Jon CruddasDagenhamLabaye absent
Claire Curtis-ThomasCrosbyLab (minister)aye absent
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)aye absent
Bill EtheringtonSunderland NorthLabaye absent
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)aye absent
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)aye absent
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLabaye absent
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)aye absent
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)aye absent
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)aye absent
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)aye absent
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)aye absent
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)aye absent
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)aye absent
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)aye absent
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)aye absent
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)aye absent
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLabaye absent
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLab (minister)aye absent
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Martin LintonBatterseaLabaye absent
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLabaye absent
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)aye absent
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)aye absent
David MarshallGlasgow EastLab (minister)aye absent
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLabaye absent
Anne McGuireStirlingLab (minister)aye absent
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLabaye absent
Alan MealeMansfieldLabaye absent
David MilibandSouth ShieldsLab (minister)aye absent
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)aye absent
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)aye absent
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)aye absent
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)aye absent
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)aye absent
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)aye absent
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLabaye absent
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)aye absent
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)aye absent
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)aye absent
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLab (minister)aye absent
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)aye absent
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)aye absent
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)aye absent
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)aye absent
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLabaye absent
Betty WilliamsConwyLabaye absent
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)aye absent
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLababsent aye
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)absent aye
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLababsent aye
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLababsent aye
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)absent aye
Paul TruswellPudseyLababsent aye
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLababsent aye
Bob AinsworthCoventry North EastLab (minister)absent no
Douglas AlexanderPaisley and Renfrewshire SouthLab (minister)absent no
David AndersonBlaydonLab (minister)absent no
Janet AndersonRossendale and DarwenLab (minister)absent no
Clive BettsSheffield, AttercliffeLab (minister)absent no
Liz BlackmanErewashLab (minister)absent no
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)absent no
Des BrowneKilmarnock and LoudounLab (minister)absent no
Liam ByrneBirmingham, Hodge HillLab (minister)absent no
Colin ChallenMorley and RothwellLab (minister)absent no
Ben ChapmanWirral SouthLab (minister)absent no
David ChaytorBury NorthLab (minister)absent no
Mary CreaghWakefieldLab (minister)absent no
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)absent no
John DenhamSouthampton, ItchenLab (minister)absent no
Clive EffordElthamLab (minister)absent no
Natascha EngelNorth East DerbyshireLababsent no
Jeff EnnisBarnsley East and MexboroughLab (minister)absent no
Jim FitzpatrickPoplar and Canning TownLab (minister)absent no
Barbara FollettStevenageLab (minister)absent no
Linda GilroyPlymouth, SuttonLab (minister)absent no
Paul GogginsWythenshawe and Sale EastLab (minister)absent no
John HeppellNottingham EastLab (minister)absent no
John HuttonBarrow and FurnessLab (minister)absent no
Helen JonesWarrington NorthLab (minister)absent no
Sally KeebleNorthampton NorthLab (minister)absent no
Alan KeenFeltham and HestonLab (minister)absent no
Ann KeenBrentford and IsleworthLab (minister)absent no
Ruth KellyBolton WestLab (minister)absent no
Jane KennedyLiverpool, WavertreeLab (minister)absent no
Stephen LadymanSouth ThanetLababsent no
Andrew LoveEdmontonLab (minister)absent no
Ian LucasWrexhamLab (minister)absent no
Shahid MalikDewsburyLab (minister)absent no
Gillian MerronLincolnLab (minister)absent no
Alan MilburnDarlingtonLababsent no
Margaret MoranLuton SouthLab (minister)absent no
Dan NorrisWansdykeLab (minister)absent no
Mike O'BrienNorth WarwickshireLab (minister)absent no
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLababsent no
Jonathan R ShawChatham and AylesfordLab (minister)absent no
Barry SheermanHuddersfieldLab (minister)absent no
Ian StewartEcclesLab (minister)absent no
Jack StrawBlackburnLab (minister)absent no
Mark TamiAlyn and DeesideLab (minister)absent no
Gareth ThomasHarrow WestLab (minister)absent no
Emily ThornberryIslington South and FinsburyLab (minister)absent no
Desmond TurnerBrighton, KemptownLab (minister)absent no
Kitty UssherBurnleyLab (minister)absent no
Joan WalleyStoke-on-Trent NorthLab (minister)absent no
Claire WardWatfordLab (minister)absent tellno
Tony WrightCannock ChaseLab (minister)absent no
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)no absent
Charles KennedyRoss, Skye and LochaberLDemno absent
Mark OatenWinchesterLDemno absent
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)no absent
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)no absent
Norman BakerLewesLDem (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Tim FarronWestmorland and LonsdaleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Andrew GeorgeSt IvesLDem (front bench)absent aye
John HemmingBirmingham, YardleyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paul HolmesChesterfieldLDem (front bench)absent aye
John LeechManchester, WithingtonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Michael MooreBerwickshire, Roxburgh and SelkirkLDem (front bench)absent aye
Alan ReidArgyll and ButeLDem (front bench)absent tellaye
Bob RussellColchesterLDem (front bench)absent aye
Andrew StunellHazel GroveLDemabsent aye
Matthew TaylorTruro and St AustellLDemabsent aye
Phil WillisHarrogate and KnaresboroughLDem (front bench)absent aye
Richard Younger-RossTeignbridgeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Adam PriceCarmarthen East and DinefwrPC (front bench)absent aye
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)absent aye
John MasonGlasgow EastSNPabsent aye
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)absent aye
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)absent aye
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)absent aye
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)absent aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 21 voted the same way, with 344 voting in opposite ways. There were 45 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 236 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up on opposite sides. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
344
(344 + 21 + 0.2x236)
=
344
412.2
= 0.835 = 83.5 %.


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