Comparison of Divisions: Orders of the Day — Clause 6 — Rate etc — 28 Apr 2008 at 18:30 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

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Vote (a) (unedited): Orders of the Day — Clause 6 — Rate etc - 28 Apr 2008 at 18:30 - Division No. 154

Question accordingly negatived.

Motion made, and Question put, That the clause stand part of the Bill-

The Committee divided: Ayes 303, Noes 212.

Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by constituency

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their inverted vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLabaye absent
Mark TamiAlyn and DeesideLab (minister)absent no
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)aye absent
Nick HerbertArundel and South DownsCon (front bench)absent aye
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)aye absent
Damian GreenAshfordCon (front bench)absent aye
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)aye absent
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)aye absent
Alex SalmondBanff and BuchanSNP (front bench)no absent
Margaret HodgeBarkingLab (minister)aye absent
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)aye absent
John HuttonBarrow and FurnessLab (minister)absent no
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)aye absent
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLababsent aye
Martin LintonBatterseaLabaye absent
Dominic GrieveBeaconsfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Jacqui LaitBeckenhamCon (front bench)absent aye
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)aye absent
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPabsent aye
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)absent aye
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)absent aye
Graham StuartBeverley and HoldernessCon (front bench)absent aye
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)aye absent
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)aye absent
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLabaye absent
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye aye
David AndersonBlaydonLab (minister)absent no
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLabaye absent
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)no absent
Andrew MacKayBracknellCon (front bench)absent aye
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)no absent
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye aye
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye aye
John BercowBuckinghamwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
Kitty UssherBurnleyLab (minister)absent no
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)aye absent
David RuffleyBury St EdmundsCon (front bench)absent aye
Tony WrightCannock ChaseLab (minister)absent no
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Adam PriceCarmarthen East and DinefwrPC (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst UKIP (front bench)no absent
Andrew TyrieChichesterCon (front bench)absent aye
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)aye absent
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLababsent aye
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)aye absent
David JonesClwyd WestCon (front bench)absent aye
Kali MountfordColne ValleyLab (minister)aye absent
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)aye absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichConabsent aye
Claire Curtis-ThomasCrosbyLab (minister)aye absent
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Jon CruddasDagenhamLabaye absent
Howard StoateDartfordLab (minister)absent no
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)no absent
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)aye absent
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)no absent
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)no absent
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)no absent
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)absent aye
Peter AinsworthEast SurreyCon (front bench)absent aye
Tim LoughtonEast Worthing and ShorehamCon (front bench)absent aye
Nigel WatersonEastbourneCon (front bench)absent aye
Stephen O'BrienEddisburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)aye absent
Colin BurgonElmetLabaye absent
David BurrowesEnfield, SouthgateCon (front bench)absent aye
Eleanor LaingEpping ForestCon (front bench)absent aye
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLabaye absent
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)no absent
John MasonGlasgow EastSNPabsent aye
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)aye absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLababsent no
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)aye absent
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)absent no
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)aye absent
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)aye absent
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLababsent aye
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLababsent aye
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)aye absent
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye aye
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLababsent aye
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)aye absent
Michael Jabez FosterHastings and RyeLab (minister)absent no
David WillettsHavantCon (front bench)absent aye
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye aye
Andrew StunellHazel GroveLDemabsent aye
John HowellHenleyConabsent aye
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)no absent
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)no absent
Jonathan DjanoglyHuntingdonCon (front bench)absent aye
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)aye absent
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye aye
Emily ThornberryIslington South and FinsburyLab (minister)absent no
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaConabsent aye
Des BrowneKilmarnock and LoudounLab (minister)absent no
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLabaye absent
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)absent no
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)absent aye
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)aye absent
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)aye absent
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)aye absent
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)aye absent
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye aye
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)aye absent
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye aye
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLabaye absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Nicholas WintertonMacclesfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Ian McCartneyMakerfieldLababsent no
Alan MealeMansfieldLabaye absent
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye aye
Caroline SpelmanMeridenCon (front bench)absent aye
Nicholas SoamesMid SussexCon (front bench)absent aye
Stuart BellMiddlesbroughLab (minister)absent no
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLab (minister)aye absent
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)no absent
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)no absent
Peter HainNeathLababsent no
Desmond SwayneNew Forest WestCon (front bench)absent aye
Patrick MercerNewarkCon (front bench)absent aye
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLabaye absent
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)absent aye
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)aye absent
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)no absent
Natascha EngelNorth East DerbyshireLababsent no
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)no absent
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)no absent
Simon HughesNorth Southwark and BermondseyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Roger GaleNorth ThanetCon (front bench)absent aye
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLabaye absent
Shailesh VaraNorth West CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)aye both
Henry BellinghamNorth West NorfolkCon (front bench)absent aye
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)no absent
Sally KeebleNorthampton NorthLab (minister)absent no
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)no absent
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLabaye absent
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLababsent aye
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLabaye absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)no absent
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)no absent
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye aye
Jim SheridanPaisley and Renfrewshire NorthLab (minister)absent no
David MacleanPenrith and The BorderCon (front bench)absent aye
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)no absent
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye aye
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)aye absent
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Crispin BluntReigateCon (front bench)absent aye
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConno absent
William HagueRichmond (Yorks)Con (front bench)absent aye
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)no absent
Charles KennedyRoss, Skye and LochaberLDemno absent
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLabaye absent
Nick HurdRuislip - NorthwoodCon (front bench)absent aye
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)no absent
John GreenwayRyedaleConno absent
John GroganSelbyLab (minister)absent no
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLabaye absent
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)aye absent
Daniel KawczynskiShrewsbury and AtchamCon (front bench)absent aye
David CurrySkipton and RiponCon (front bench)absent aye
John HayesSouth Holland and The DeepingsCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard BaconSouth NorfolkCon (front bench)absent aye
David MilibandSouth ShieldsLab (minister)aye absent
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLab (minister)aye absent
Andrew SelousSouth West BedfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Gary StreeterSouth West DevonCon (front bench)absent aye
Sir David AmessSouthend WestCon (front bench)absent aye
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)no absent
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Anne McGuireStirlingLab (minister)aye absent
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye aye
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)no absent
Keith HillStreathamLab (minister)absent no
David DrewStroudLab (minister)absent no
Bill EtheringtonSunderland NorthLabaye absent
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)aye absent
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye aye
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)no absent
Geoffrey CoxTorridge and West DevonCon (front bench)absent aye
Anthony SteenTotnesCon (front bench)absent aye
Chris RuaneVale of ClwydLab (minister)absent no
John SmithVale of GlamorganLab (minister)absent no
Anne McIntoshVale of YorkCon (front bench)absent aye
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)absent aye
Mary CreaghWakefieldLab (minister)absent no
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)absent aye
Claire WardWatfordLab (minister)absent tellno
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)aye absent
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)no absent
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)aye absent
Michael SpicerWest WorcestershireCon (front bench)absent aye
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)aye absent
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)absent aye
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)no absent

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 645 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 19 voted the same way, with 405 voting in opposite ways. There were 40 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 181 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up on opposite sides. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
405
(405 + 19 + 0.2x181)
=
405
460.2
= 0.880 = 88.0 %.


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