Comparison of Divisions: Counter-Terrorism Bill — Extension of period of detention to 42 days — Order — 11 Jun 2008 at 17:45 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) : Counter-Terrorism Bill — Extension of period of detention to 42 days — Order - 11 Jun 2008 at 17:45 - Division No. 220

The majority of MPs voted to give the Home Secretary the power to allow police detention terrorist suspects without making any criminal charges of for up to 42 days. The Parliamentary procedures to safeguarding this power was established in the previous vote.[1]

Subject to those procedures, the sequence of events would be:

  • Order - The Home Secretary must make a Statutory Order reserving the powers of detention beyond 28 days.[2]
  • Application - The actual application for a detention period beyond 28 days must be made by an agent of the Director of Public Prosecutions to a senior judge.[3]
  • Information - The Home Secretary keep Parliament informed of the dates, times and locations of the persons detained under these conditions.[4]

As these two votes were two halves of the same measure (added to the body and to the Schedule of the Counter-Terrorism Bill), the votes by MPs should be identical. However, 10 Labour MPs who rebelled from their party in the first vote were absent in the second, and Neil Gerrard MP changed sides.[5]

Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their inverted vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

Sort by: Name | Constituency | Party | Vote (a) | Vote (b)

NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConaye aye
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)no absent
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)no absent
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)no absent
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)no absent
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)no absent
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConno absent
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)no absent
John GreenwayRyedaleConno absent
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)no absent
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)no absent
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)no absent
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)no absent
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)no absent
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)no absent
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)no absent
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)no absent
Michael MatesEast HampshireCon (front bench)no absent
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)no absent
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)no absent
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)no absent
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)no absent
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)no absent
Robert WalterNorth DorsetConno absent
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)no absent
John BercowBuckinghamwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
John HowellHenleyConabsent aye
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)aye aye
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)aye aye
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)aye aye
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)aye aye
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPaye aye
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)aye aye
Ian PaisleyNorth AntrimDUPaye absent
Iris RobinsonStrangfordDUPaye absent
David SimpsonUpper BannDUP (front bench)aye absent
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentaye aye
Derek ConwayOld Bexley and Sidcupwhilst Independent (front bench)no absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Clare ShortBirmingham, Ladywoodwhilst Independent Labourno absent
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye aye
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye aye
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLabaye aye
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye aye
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye aye
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye aye
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)aye absent
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)aye absent
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)aye absent
Colin BurgonElmetLabaye absent
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLabaye absent
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLabaye absent
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLabaye absent
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)aye absent
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLabaye absent
Jon CruddasDagenhamLabaye absent
Claire Curtis-ThomasCrosbyLab (minister)aye absent
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)aye absent
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)aye absent
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)aye absent
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)aye absent
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)aye absent
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLabaye absent
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)aye absent
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)aye absent
Margaret HodgeBarkingLab (minister)aye absent
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)aye absent
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)aye absent
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)aye absent
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)aye absent
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)aye absent
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLab (minister)aye absent
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Martin LintonBatterseaLab (minister)aye absent
John MacDougallGlenrothesLab (minister)aye absent
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLabaye absent
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLabaye absent
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)aye absent
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)aye absent
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLabaye absent
Anne McGuireStirlingLab (minister)aye absent
Alan MealeMansfieldLabaye absent
David MilibandSouth ShieldsLab (minister)aye absent
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)aye absent
Kali MountfordColne ValleyLab (minister)aye absent
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)aye absent
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)aye absent
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)aye absent
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLabaye absent
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)aye absent
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)aye absent
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLabaye absent
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)aye absent
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)aye absent
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)aye absent
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLab (minister)aye absent
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)aye absent
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)aye absent
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)aye absent
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)aye absent
Betty WilliamsConwyLabaye absent
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)aye absent
Jim CousinsNewcastle upon Tyne CentralLab (minister)no no
Andrew DismoreHendonLab (minister)no no
Frank DobsonHolborn and St PancrasLabno no
Dai HavardMerthyr Tydfil and RhymneyLab (minister)no no
Chris MullinSunderland SouthLab (minister)no no
Gordon PrenticePendleLab (minister)no no
David WinnickWalsall NorthLab (minister)no no
Frank CookStockton NorthLab (minister)no absent
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)no absent
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLabno absent
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)no absent
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLabno absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)both both
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)absent aye
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLababsent aye
Paul TruswellPudseyLababsent aye
Charlotte AtkinsStaffordshire MoorlandsLab (minister)absent no
David DrewStroudLab (minister)absent no
John GroganSelbyLab (minister)absent no
Andrew LoveEdmontonLab (minister)absent no
Doug NaysmithBristol North WestLab (minister)absent no
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLababsent no
Emily ThornberryIslington South and FinsburyLab (minister)absent no
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)no absent
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)no absent
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)no absent
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)no absent
Charles KennedyRoss, Skye and LochaberLDemno absent
Mark OatenWinchesterLDem (front bench)no absent
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)no absent
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)tellno absent
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)no absent
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)no absent
George GallowayBethnal Green and BowRespectno absent
Mark DurkanFoyleSDLP (front bench)no absent
Eddie McGradySouth DownSDLPno absent
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)no absent
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)no absent
Alex SalmondBanff and BuchanSNP (front bench)no absent
John MasonGlasgow EastSNPabsent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst UKIP (front bench)aye absent
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)aye aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 645 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 27 voted the same way, with 474 voting in opposite ways. There were 23 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 121 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up on opposite sides. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
474
(474 + 27 + 0.2x121)
=
474
525.2
= 0.903 = 90.3 %.


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