Comparison of Divisions: Orders of the Day — New Clause 3 — Review and report to Parliament — 3 Nov 2008 at 16:30 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

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Vote (a) (unedited): Orders of the Day — New Clause 3 — Review and report to Parliament - 3 Nov 2008 at 16:30 - Division No. 306

I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

Question put, That the clause be read a Second time:-

The House divided: Ayes 236, Noes 185.

Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by constituency

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their inverted vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Hywel FrancisAberavonLab (minister)absent no
Frank DoranAberdeen NorthLab (minister)absent no
Anne BeggAberdeen SouthLab (minister)absent no
Richard ShepherdAldridge-BrownhillsCon (front bench)absent aye
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)aye absent
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)absent aye
Alan ReidArgyll and ButeLDem (front bench)absent tellaye
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)aye absent
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)aye absent
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)aye absent
Tony BaldryBanburyConabsent aye
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)aye absent
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)aye absent
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)aye absent
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLababsent aye
Martin LintonBatterseaLab (minister)aye absent
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)aye absent
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPabsent aye
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)absent aye
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)absent aye
Alan BeithBerwick-upon-TweedLDem (front bench)absent aye
Michael MooreBerwickshire, Roxburgh and SelkirkLDem (front bench)absent aye
Gregory BarkerBexhill and BattleCon (front bench)absent aye
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)aye absent
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)aye absent
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLabaye absent
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLabaye absent
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)absent aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye aye
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentaye aye
David AndersonBlaydonLab (minister)absent no
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLabaye absent
Joe BentonBootleLab (minister)absent no
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)no absent
Terry RooneyBradford NorthLab (minister)absent no
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)aye absent
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye aye
Desmond TurnerBrighton, KemptownLab (minister)absent no
Kerry McCarthyBristol EastLab (minister)absent no
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)no absent
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye aye
David ChaytorBury NorthLab (minister)absent no
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Hywel WilliamsCaernarfonPC (front bench)absent aye
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLabaye absent
Jennifer WillottCardiff CentralLDem (front bench)absent aye
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Adam PriceCarmarthen East and DinefwrPC (front bench)absent aye
Tom BrakeCarshalton and WallingtonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst UKIP (front bench)no absent
Mark WilliamsCeredigionLDem (front bench)absent aye
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark HunterCheadleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Martin HorwoodCheltenhamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Mark FieldCities of London and WestminsterCon (front bench)absent aye
Roberta Blackman-WoodsCity of DurhamLab (minister)absent no
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLabaye aye
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Tom ClarkeCoatbridge, Chryston and BellshillLab (minister)absent no
Betty WilliamsConwyLabaye absent
Phil HopeCorbyLab (minister)absent no
Laura MoffattCrawleyLab (minister)absent no
Claire Curtis-ThomasCrosbyLabaye absent
Malcolm WicksCroydon NorthLababsent no
Richard OttawayCroydon SouthCon (front bench)absent aye
Rosemary McKennaCumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch EastLab (minister)absent no
Ann ClwydCynon ValleyLab (minister)absent no
Jon CruddasDagenhamLabaye absent
Alan MilburnDarlingtonLababsent no
Howard StoateDartfordLab (minister)absent no
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)no absent
Michael AncramDevizesCon (front bench)absent aye
Caroline FlintDon ValleyLab (minister)absent no
Tessa JowellDulwich and West NorwoodLab (minister)absent no
Russell BrownDumfries and GallowayLab (minister)absent no
Jim McGovernDundee WestLab (minister)absent no
Willie RennieDunfermline and West FifeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Hugo SwireEast DevonConabsent aye
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)no absent
Stephen TimmsEast HamLab (minister)absent no
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)absent aye
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)aye absent
Jim MurphyEast RenfrewshireLab (minister)absent no
Greg KnightEast YorkshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Ian StewartEcclesLab (minister)absent no
Mark LazarowiczEdinburgh North and LeithLab (minister)absent no
Nigel GriffithsEdinburgh SouthLab (minister)absent no
John BarrettEdinburgh WestLDem (front bench)absent aye
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)aye absent
Ian TaylorEsher and WaltonConabsent aye
Ben BradshawExeterLab (minister)absent no
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLabaye absent
Michael HowardFolkestone and HytheConabsent aye
Sharon HodgsonGateshead East and Washington WestLab (minister)absent no
Mohammad SarwarGlasgow CentralLab (minister)absent no
John MasonGlasgow EastSNPabsent aye
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLabaye absent
Tom HarrisGlasgow SouthLababsent no
Ian DavidsonGlasgow South WestLab (minister)absent no
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLababsent no
Parmjit DhandaGloucesterLababsent no
Peter ViggersGosportCon (front bench)absent aye
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)aye absent
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye aye
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye aye
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)aye absent
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye aye
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenConno absent
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye aye
Edward GarnierHarboroughCon (front bench)absent aye
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)aye absent
Iain WrightHartlepoolLab (minister)absent no
Michael Jabez FosterHastings and RyeLab (minister)absent no
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLababsent aye
John HowellHenleyCon (front bench)absent aye
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)no absent
Peter AtkinsonHexhamCon (front bench)absent aye
Frank DobsonHolborn and St PancrasLababsent no
Lynne FeatherstoneHornsey and Wood GreenLDem (front bench)absent aye
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)no absent
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)aye absent
Lee ScottIlford NorthCon (front bench)absent aye
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye aye
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaConabsent aye
Des BrowneKilmarnock and LoudounLababsent no
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLabaye absent
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)absent no
George HowarthKnowsley North and Sefton EastLab (minister)absent no
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)absent aye
Ben WallaceLancaster and WyreCon (front bench)absent aye
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)aye absent
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)aye absent
Greg MulhollandLeeds North WestLDem (front bench)absent aye
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye aye
Peter SoulsbyLeicester SouthLab (minister)absent no
Patricia HewittLeicester WestLababsent no
Andy BurnhamLeighLab (minister)absent no
Norman BakerLewesLDem (front bench)absent aye
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)aye absent
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)absent aye
Gillian MerronLincolnLab (minister)absent no
Michael ConnartyLinlithgow and East FalkirkLab (minister)absent no
Louise EllmanLiverpool, RiversideLab (minister)absent no
Jane KennedyLiverpool, WavertreeLab (minister)absent no
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye aye
Jim DevineLivingstonLab (minister)absent no
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Margaret MoranLuton SouthLab (minister)absent no
Graham StringerManchester, BlackleyLab (minister)absent no
Alan MealeMansfieldLabaye absent
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLababsent aye
Caroline SpelmanMeridenCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)no absent
Stuart BellMiddlesbroughLab (minister)absent no
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLab (minister)aye absent
David HamiltonMidlothianLab (minister)absent no
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)absent aye
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLab (minister)absent no
Colin ChallenMorley and RothwellLab (minister)absent no
Frank RoyMotherwell and WishawLab (minister)absent no
Patrick MercerNewarkCon (front bench)absent aye
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)absent aye
Jessica MordenNewport EastLab (minister)absent no
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)aye absent
Edward BallsNormantonLab (minister)absent no
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)absent aye
Alistair BurtNorth East BedfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)no absent
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Mark LancasterNorth East Milton KeynesCon (front bench)absent aye
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)no absent
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLabaye absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)aye both
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)no absent
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)no absent
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLababsent aye
Gordon BanksOchil and South PerthshireLab (minister)absent no
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)no absent
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye aye
Gordon PrenticePendleLab (minister)absent no
David MacleanPenrith and The BorderCon (front bench)absent aye
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)absent aye
Kim HowellsPontypriddLababsent no
Mark HendrickPrestonLab (minister)absent no
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye aye
Rob WilsonReading EastCon (front bench)absent aye
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)aye absent
Jacqui SmithRedditchLab (minister)absent no
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)aye absent
William HagueRichmond (Yorks)Con (front bench)absent aye
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)no absent
James DuddridgeRochford and Southend EastCon (front bench)absent aye
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)no absent
Alan DuncanRutland and MeltonCon (front bench)absent aye
John GreenwayRyedaleConno absent
Robert GoodwillScarborough and WhitbyCon (front bench)absent aye
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)aye absent
Daniel KawczynskiShrewsbury and AtchamCon (front bench)absent aye
Lorely BurtSolihullLDem (front bench)absent aye
David HeathSomerton and FromeLDem (front bench)absent aye
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Jim KnightSouth DorsetLab (minister)absent no
James PaiceSouth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
John HayesSouth Holland and The DeepingsCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard BaconSouth NorfolkCon (front bench)absent aye
David BorrowSouth RibbleLab (minister)absent no
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLabaye absent
Jeremy HuntSouth West SurreyCon (front bench)absent aye
Alan WhiteheadSouthampton, TestLab (minister)absent no
Andrew GeorgeSt IvesLDem (front bench)absent aye
Barbara FollettStevenageLab (minister)absent no
Frank CookStockton NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Dari TaylorStockton SouthLab (minister)absent no
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye aye
Joan WalleyStoke-on-Trent NorthLab (minister)absent no
Bill CashStoneCon (front bench)absent aye
Lynda WalthoStourbridgeLab (minister)absent no
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)no absent
Beverley HughesStretford and UrmstonLab (minister)absent no
John GummerSuffolk CoastalConabsent aye
Bill EtheringtonSunderland NorthLabaye absent
Paul BurstowSutton and CheamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)aye absent
Richard Younger-RossTeignbridgeLDem (front bench)absent aye
David WrightTelfordLab (minister)absent no
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye aye
Angela BrowningTiverton and HonitonCon (front bench)absent aye
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)no absent
John SmithVale of GlamorganLab (minister)absent no
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)aye aye
Bruce GeorgeWalsall SouthLababsent no
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye aye
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)aye absent
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)no absent
Robert SmithWest Aberdeenshire and KincardineLDem (front bench)absent aye
Tom WatsonWest Bromwich EastLab (minister)absent no
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)aye absent
Tim FarronWestmorland and LonsdaleLDem (front bench)absent aye
John PenroseWeston-Super-MareCon (front bench)absent aye
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)aye absent
Mark OatenWinchesterLDem (front bench)no absent
Ben ChapmanWirral SouthLab (minister)absent no
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)no absent
Ken PurchaseWolverhampton North EastLab (minister)absent no
Pat McFaddenWolverhampton South EastLab (minister)absent no
Barbara KeeleyWorsleyLab (minister)absent no
Paul GogginsWythenshawe and Sale EastLab (minister)absent no
David LawsYeovilLDem (front bench)absent aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 645 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 20 voted the same way, with 334 voting in opposite ways. There were 60 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 231 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up on opposite sides. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
334
(334 + 20 + 0.2x231)
=
334
400.2
= 0.835 = 83.5 %.


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