Comparison of Divisions: Business of the House — 12 Nov 2008 at 14:18 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

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Vote (a) (unedited): Business of the House - 12 Nov 2008 at 14:18 - Division No. 316

I beg to move,

That, at this day's sitting, the Speaker shall put the Questions necessary to dispose of proceedings on:

Question put accordingly :-

The House divided: Ayes 258, Noes 223.

Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their inverted vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)no absent
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)no absent
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)no absent
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)no absent
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConno absent
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)no absent
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)no absent
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)no absent
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)no absent
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)no absent
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)no absent
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)no absent
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)no absent
Michael MatesEast HampshireCon (front bench)no absent
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)no absent
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)no absent
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)no absent
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)no absent
Robert WalterNorth DorsetConno absent
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)no absent
Crispin BluntReigateCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter BottomleyWorthing WestCon (front bench)absent aye
Angela BrowningTiverton and HonitonCon (front bench)absent aye
Geoffrey Clifton-BrownCotswoldCon (front bench)absent aye
Geoffrey CoxTorridge and West DevonCon (front bench)absent aye
David DaviesMonmouthCon (front bench)absent aye
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)absent aye
Tobias EllwoodBournemouth EastCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark FrancoisRayleighCon (front bench)absent aye
Edward GarnierHarboroughCon (front bench)absent aye
Paul GoodmanWycombeCon (front bench)absent aye
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark LancasterNorth East Milton KeynesCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew LansleySouth CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Julian LewisNew Forest EastCon (front bench)absent aye
David LidingtonAylesburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Anne MiltonGuildfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Eric PicklesBrentwood and OngarCon (front bench)absent aye
Hugh RobertsonFaversham and Mid KentCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard SpringWest SuffolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Gary StreeterSouth West DevonCon (front bench)absent aye
Hugo SwireEast DevonConabsent aye
Ian TaylorEsher and WaltonConabsent aye
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichCon (front bench)absent aye
David TredinnickBosworthConabsent aye
Theresa VilliersChipping BarnetCon (front bench)absent aye
Ben WallaceLancaster and WyreCon (front bench)absent aye
Angela WatkinsonUpminsterCon (front bench)absent aye
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConabsent aye
David WillettsHavantCon (front bench)absent aye
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Iris RobinsonStrangfordDUP (front bench)no absent
David SimpsonUpper BannDUP (front bench)no absent
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)aye aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentabsent aye
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye aye
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye aye
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye aye
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye aye
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye aye
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLabaye aye
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye aye
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye aye
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye aye
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)aye both
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)aye absent
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)aye absent
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)aye absent
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)aye absent
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLabaye absent
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLabaye absent
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)aye absent
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)aye absent
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)aye absent
Frank CookStockton NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Jon CruddasDagenhamLabaye absent
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)aye absent
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)aye absent
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)aye absent
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)aye absent
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLabaye absent
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)aye absent
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)aye absent
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)aye absent
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)aye absent
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)aye absent
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)aye absent
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)aye absent
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLabaye absent
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLabaye absent
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)aye absent
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)aye absent
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLabaye absent
Anne McGuireStirlingLabaye absent
Alan MealeMansfieldLabaye absent
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)aye absent
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)aye absent
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLabaye absent
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)aye absent
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLabaye absent
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)aye absent
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)aye absent
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLabaye absent
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)aye absent
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)aye absent
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)aye absent
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)aye absent
Betty WilliamsConwyLabaye absent
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)aye absent
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLababsent aye
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLababsent aye
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)absent aye
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)absent aye
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLababsent aye
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)absent aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)absent aye
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLababsent aye
Andrew SmithOxford EastLababsent aye
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)absent aye
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLababsent aye
Bob AinsworthCoventry North EastLab (minister)absent no
Janet AndersonRossendale and DarwenLab (minister)absent no
Hilary ArmstrongNorth West DurhamLababsent no
Charlotte AtkinsStaffordshire MoorlandsLab (minister)absent no
Vera BairdRedcarLab (minister)absent no
Edward BallsNormantonLab (minister)absent no
Celia BarlowHoveLab (minister)absent no
Joe BentonBootleLab (minister)absent no
Hazel BlearsSalfordLab (minister)absent no
David BlunkettSheffield, BrightsideLababsent no
Ben BradshawExeterLab (minister)absent no
Kevin BrennanCardiff WestLab (minister)absent no
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)absent no
Andy BurnhamLeighLab (minister)absent no
Jim CousinsNewcastle upon Tyne CentralLab (minister)absent no
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)absent no
Jim DevineLivingstonLab (minister)absent no
Frank DobsonHolborn and St PancrasLababsent no
Brian H DonohoeCentral AyrshireLab (minister)absent no
Frank DoranAberdeen NorthLab (minister)absent no
Caroline FlintDon ValleyLab (minister)absent no
Tom HarrisGlasgow SouthLababsent no
Mark HendrickPrestonLab (minister)absent no
Stephen HepburnJarrowLab (minister)absent no
John HeppellNottingham EastLab (minister)absent no
Beverley HughesStretford and UrmstonLab (minister)absent no
Brian IddonBolton South EastLab (minister)absent no
Adam IngramEast Kilbride, Strathaven and LesmahagowLababsent no
Alan JohnsonKingston upon Hull West and HessleLab (minister)absent no
Eric JoyceFalkirkLab (minister)absent no
Gerald KaufmanManchester, GortonLab (minister)absent no
Jane KennedyLiverpool, WavertreeLab (minister)absent no
Sadiq KhanTootingLab (minister)absent no
David KidneyStaffordLab (minister)absent no
Jim KnightSouth DorsetLab (minister)absent no
Stephen LadymanSouth ThanetLababsent no
Sarah McCarthy-FryPortsmouth NorthLab (minister)absent no
Ian McCartneyMakerfieldLababsent no
Alan MilburnDarlingtonLababsent no
Jessica MordenNewport EastLab (minister)absent no
George MudieLeeds EastLab (minister)absent no
Denis MurphyWansbeckLab (minister)absent no
Jim MurphyEast RenfrewshireLab (minister)absent no
Doug NaysmithBristol North WestLab (minister)absent no
Terry RooneyBradford NorthLab (minister)absent no
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLababsent no
Joan RyanEnfield NorthLababsent no
Alison SeabeckPlymouth, DevonportLababsent no
Jonathan R ShawChatham and AylesfordLab (minister)absent no
Siôn SimonBirmingham, ErdingtonLab (minister)absent no
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLab (minister)absent no
Jack StrawBlackburnLab (minister)absent no
Gerry SutcliffeBradford SouthLab (minister)absent no
Gareth ThomasHarrow WestLab (minister)absent no
Desmond TurnerBrighton, KemptownLab (minister)absent no
Lynda WalthoStourbridgeLab (minister)absent no
Claire WardWatfordLab (minister)absent tellno
Tony WrightCannock ChaseLab (minister)absent no
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)no absent
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)no absent
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)no absent
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)no absent
Charles KennedyRoss, Skye and LochaberLDemno absent
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDemno absent
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)no absent
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)no absent
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)no absent
Danny AlexanderInverness, Nairn, Badenoch and StrathspeyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Tom BrakeCarshalton and WallingtonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paul BurstowSutton and CheamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Lorely BurtSolihullLDem (front bench)absent aye
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Edward DaveyKingston and SurbitonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Nick HarveyNorth DevonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Susan KramerRichmond ParkLDem (front bench)absent aye
Dan RogersonNorth CornwallLDem (front bench)absent tellaye
Bob RussellColchesterLDem (front bench)absent aye
Matthew TaylorTruro and St AustellLDemabsent aye
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)aye aye
Mark DurkanFoyleSDLP (front bench)aye absent
Eddie McGradySouth DownSDLPaye absent
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)no absent
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst UKIP (front bench)no absent
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)absent aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 18 voted the same way, with 382 voting in opposite ways. There were 46 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 200 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up on opposite sides. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
382
(382 + 18 + 0.2x200)
=
382
440
= 0.868 = 86.8 %.


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