Comparison of Divisions: Orders of the Day — Clause 20 — Terms and conditions — 18 Nov 2008 at 17:30 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

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Vote (a) (unedited): Orders of the Day — Clause 20 — Terms and conditions - 18 Nov 2008 at 17:30 - Division No. 326

I beg to move, That this House agrees with the Lords in the said amendment.

I beg to move amendment (a) to the Lords amendment.

Question put, That the amendment to the Lords amendment be made:-

The House divided: Ayes 220, Noes 288.

Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by constituency

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLabno absent
Richard ShepherdAldridge-BrownhillsCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark TamiAlyn and DeesideLab (minister)absent no
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)no absent
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)no absent
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)no absent
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)no absent
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)no absent
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)no absent
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabno aye
Martin LintonBatterseaLab (minister)no absent
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)no absent
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPabsent aye
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)absent aye
Michael MooreBerwickshire, Roxburgh and SelkirkLDem (front bench)absent aye
George GallowayBethnal Green and BowRespectaye absent
Gregory BarkerBexhill and BattleCon (front bench)absent aye
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)no absent
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)no absent
Clare ShortBirmingham, Ladywoodwhilst Independent Labouraye absent
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLabno absent
Andrew RobathanBlabyCon (front bench)absent aye
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)absent aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabno aye
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLabno absent
David CrausbyBolton North EastLab (minister)absent no
Joe BentonBootleLab (minister)absent no
David TredinnickBosworthConabsent aye
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew MacKayBracknellCon (front bench)absent aye
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)no absent
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)no aye
Desmond TurnerBrighton, KemptownLab (minister)absent no
Doug NaysmithBristol North WestLab (minister)absent no
Dawn PrimaroloBristol SouthLab (minister)absent no
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)no aye
John BercowBuckinghamwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
Hywel WilliamsCaernarfonPC (front bench)absent aye
John ThursoCaithness, Sutherland and Easter RossLDem (front bench)absent aye
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLabno absent
Harriet HarmanCamberwell and PeckhamLab (minister)absent no
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)no aye
Eric MartlewCarlisleLab (minister)absent no
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst UKIP (front bench)aye absent
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark HunterCheadleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)no absent
Mark FieldCities of London and WestminsterCon (front bench)absent aye
Hugh BayleyCity of YorkLab (minister)absent no
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLabno aye
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)no absent
Betty WilliamsConwyLabno absent
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)no absent
Geoffrey Clifton-BrownCotswoldCon (front bench)absent aye
Bob AinsworthCoventry North EastLab (minister)absent no
Claire Curtis-ThomasCrosbyLabno absent
Jon CruddasDagenhamLabno absent
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael AncramDevizesCon (front bench)absent aye
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)no absent
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)aye absent
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)no aye
Andrew SlaughterEaling, Acton and Shepherd's BushLab (minister)absent no
Hugo SwireEast DevonConabsent aye
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)no absent
Greg KnightEast YorkshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)no absent
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)absent no
Colin BurgonElmetLabno absent
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)no absent
Mark DurkanFoyleSDLP (front bench)no absent
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)aye absent
John MasonGlasgow EastSNPabsent aye
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLabno absent
Ian DavidsonGlasgow South WestLab (minister)absent no
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLababsent no
Peter ViggersGosportCon (front bench)absent aye
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)no absent
Adam HollowayGraveshamCon (front bench)absent aye
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)no absent
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)no absent
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabno aye
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabno aye
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)no absent
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)no aye
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenConaye absent
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLababsent aye
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)no absent
Gareth ThomasHarrow WestLab (minister)absent no
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabno aye
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)aye absent
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)no absent
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)no absent
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabno aye
Emily ThornberryIslington South and FinsburyLab (minister)absent no
Edward DaveyKingston and SurbitonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)absent no
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)no absent
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)no absent
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)no absent
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)no absent
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)absent aye
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)no absent
Jim DowdLewisham WestLab (minister)absent no
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)no aye
Michael ConnartyLinlithgow and East FalkirkLab (minister)absent no
Louise EllmanLiverpool, RiversideLab (minister)absent no
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLabno absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentabsent aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)no aye
Philip DunneLudlowCon (front bench)absent aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConabsent aye
John WhittingdaleMaldon and East ChelmsfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Gerald KaufmanManchester, GortonLab (minister)absent no
John LeechManchester, WithingtonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Alan MealeMansfieldLabno absent
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabno aye
Annette BrookeMid Dorset and North PooleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Keith SimpsonMid NorfolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)aye absent
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLab (minister)no absent
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDemaye absent
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)aye absent
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLabno absent
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)no aye
Jessica MordenNewport EastLab (minister)absent no
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)no absent
Dan RogersonNorth CornwallLDem (front bench)absent tellaye
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark LancasterNorth East Milton KeynesCon (front bench)absent aye
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Simon HughesNorth Southwark and BermondseyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Shailesh VaraNorth West CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)no both
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)no absent
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabno aye
Gordon BanksOchil and South PerthshireLab (minister)absent no
Huw Irranca-DaviesOgmoreLab (minister)absent no
Phil WoolasOldham East and SaddleworthLab (minister)absent no
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabno aye
Evan HarrisOxford West and AbingdonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Jim SheridanPaisley and Renfrewshire NorthLab (minister)absent no
Douglas AlexanderPaisley and Renfrewshire SouthLab (minister)absent no
Paul TruswellPudseyLabno aye
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)no absent
Vera BairdRedcarLab (minister)absent no
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)no absent
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConaye absent
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)aye absent
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)aye absent
John GreenwayRyedaleConaye absent
Michael FallonSevenoaksCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLabno absent
David BlunkettSheffield, BrightsideLababsent no
Meg MunnSheffield, HeeleyLababsent no
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)no absent
Eddie McGradySouth DownSDLPno absent
Colin BreedSouth East CornwallLDem (front bench)absent aye
David BorrowSouth RibbleLab (minister)absent no
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLabno absent
John DenhamSouthampton, ItchenLab (minister)absent no
Sir David AmessSouthend WestCon (front bench)absent aye
Anne McGuireStirlingLabno absent
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabno aye
Bill CashStoneCon (front bench)absent aye
Iris RobinsonStrangfordDUP (front bench)aye absent
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)aye absent
Keith HillStreathamLab (minister)absent no
Bill EtheringtonSunderland NorthLabno absent
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)no absent
Alan WilliamsSwansea WestLab (minister)absent no
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard Younger-RossTeignbridgeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Mark PritchardThe WrekinCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)no aye
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)aye absent
Anthony SteenTotnesCon (front bench)absent aye
Vincent CableTwickenhamLDem (front bench)absent aye
David ClellandTyne BridgeLab (minister)absent no
Alan CampbellTynemouthLab (minister)absent no
David SimpsonUpper BannDUP (front bench)aye absent
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)absent aye
Bruce GeorgeWalsall SouthLababsent no
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)no aye
Denis MurphyWansbeckLab (minister)absent no
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)no absent
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)aye absent
Oliver LetwinWest DorsetCon (front bench)absent aye
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)no absent
Mark OatenWinchesterLDem (front bench)aye absent
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)absent aye
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)aye absent
Liam FoxWoodspringCon (front bench)absent aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 401 voted the same way, with 22 voting in opposite ways. There were 43 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 180 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
401
(401 + 22 + 0.2x180)
=
401
459
= 0.874 = 87.4 %.


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