Comparison of Divisions: Orders of the Day — Clause 20 — Terms and conditions — 18 Nov 2008 at 17:30 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

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Vote (a) (unedited): Orders of the Day — Clause 20 — Terms and conditions - 18 Nov 2008 at 17:30 - Division No. 326

I beg to move, That this House agrees with the Lords in the said amendment.

I beg to move amendment (a) to the Lords amendment.

Question put, That the amendment to the Lords amendment be made:-

The House divided: Ayes 220, Noes 288.

Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by name

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabno aye
Bob AinsworthCoventry North EastLab (minister)absent no
Douglas AlexanderPaisley and Renfrewshire SouthLab (minister)absent no
Sir David AmessSouthend WestCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael AncramDevizesCon (front bench)absent aye
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)no absent
Vera BairdRedcarLab (minister)absent no
Gordon BanksOchil and South PerthshireLab (minister)absent no
Gregory BarkerBexhill and BattleCon (front bench)absent aye
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)no absent
Hugh BayleyCity of YorkLab (minister)absent no
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)no absent
Joe BentonBootleLab (minister)absent no
John BercowBuckinghamwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
David BlunkettSheffield, BrightsideLababsent no
David BorrowSouth RibbleLab (minister)absent no
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)aye absent
Colin BreedSouth East CornwallLDem (front bench)absent aye
Annette BrookeMid Dorset and North PooleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)absent no
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)no absent
Colin BurgonElmetLabno absent
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Vincent CableTwickenhamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLabno absent
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)absent aye
Alan CampbellTynemouthLab (minister)absent no
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLabno absent
Bill CashStoneCon (front bench)absent aye
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)no absent
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)no aye
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)aye absent
David ClellandTyne BridgeLab (minister)absent no
Geoffrey Clifton-BrownCotswoldCon (front bench)absent aye
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)no aye
Michael ConnartyLinlithgow and East FalkirkLab (minister)absent no
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabno aye
David CrausbyBolton North EastLab (minister)absent no
Jon CruddasDagenhamLabno absent
Claire Curtis-ThomasCrosbyLabno absent
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)absent no
Edward DaveyKingston and SurbitonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Ian DavidsonGlasgow South WestLab (minister)absent no
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenConaye absent
John DenhamSouthampton, ItchenLab (minister)absent no
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)absent aye
Jim DowdLewisham WestLab (minister)absent no
Philip DunneLudlowCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark DurkanFoyleSDLP (front bench)no absent
Louise EllmanLiverpool, RiversideLab (minister)absent no
Bill EtheringtonSunderland NorthLabno absent
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConaye absent
Michael FallonSevenoaksCon (front bench)absent aye
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)no aye
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)no absent
Mark FieldCities of London and WestminsterCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabno aye
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)no absent
Liam FoxWoodspringCon (front bench)absent aye
George GallowayBethnal Green and BowRespectaye absent
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)no absent
Bruce GeorgeWalsall SouthLababsent no
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)no aye
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)no absent
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLabno absent
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)aye absent
John GreenwayRyedaleConaye absent
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)no absent
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)no absent
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)no absent
Harriet HarmanCamberwell and PeckhamLab (minister)absent no
Evan HarrisOxford West and AbingdonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)aye absent
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLabno absent
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)absent aye
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)no absent
Keith HillStreathamLab (minister)absent no
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)no absent
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)absent aye
Adam HollowayGraveshamCon (front bench)absent aye
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)no absent
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)absent aye
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)aye absent
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)no absent
Simon HughesNorth Southwark and BermondseyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)absent aye
Mark HunterCheadleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)no absent
Huw Irranca-DaviesOgmoreLab (minister)absent no
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)aye absent
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLababsent aye
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)no absent
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)no absent
Gerald KaufmanManchester, GortonLab (minister)absent no
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)aye absent
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLabno absent
Greg KnightEast YorkshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLab (minister)no absent
Mark LancasterNorth East Milton KeynesCon (front bench)absent aye
John LeechManchester, WithingtonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Oliver LetwinWest DorsetCon (front bench)absent aye
Martin LintonBatterseaLab (minister)no absent
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew MacKayBracknellCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)no aye
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)aye absent
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)aye absent
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)no absent
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)no absent
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)aye absent
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabno aye
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabno aye
Eric MartlewCarlisleLab (minister)absent no
John MasonGlasgow EastSNPabsent aye
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLabno absent
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)absent aye
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabno aye
Eddie McGradySouth DownSDLPno absent
Anne McGuireStirlingLabno absent
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLabno aye
Alan MealeMansfieldLabno absent
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)no absent
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)no absent
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)no absent
Michael MooreBerwickshire, Roxburgh and SelkirkLDem (front bench)absent aye
Jessica MordenNewport EastLab (minister)absent no
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)no aye
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)aye absent
Meg MunnSheffield, HeeleyLababsent no
Denis MurphyWansbeckLab (minister)absent no
Doug NaysmithBristol North WestLab (minister)absent no
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)no absent
Mark OatenWinchesterLDem (front bench)aye absent
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDemaye absent
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)absent aye
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)no absent
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)no aye
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)no absent
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)no aye
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)no absent
Dawn PrimaroloBristol SouthLab (minister)absent no
Mark PritchardThe WrekinCon (front bench)absent aye
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)no absent
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabno aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)no aye
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)no absent
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLabno absent
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)no aye
Andrew RobathanBlabyCon (front bench)absent aye
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLabno absent
Iris RobinsonStrangfordDUP (front bench)aye absent
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPabsent aye
Dan RogersonNorth CornwallLDem (front bench)absent tellaye
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)aye absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLababsent no
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)no absent
Richard ShepherdAldridge-BrownhillsCon (front bench)absent aye
Jim SheridanPaisley and Renfrewshire NorthLab (minister)absent no
Clare ShortBirmingham, Ladywoodwhilst Independent Labouraye absent
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabno aye
David SimpsonUpper BannDUP (front bench)aye absent
Keith SimpsonMid NorfolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)no absent
Andrew SlaughterEaling, Acton and Shepherd's BushLab (minister)absent no
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabno aye
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLabno absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst UKIP (front bench)aye absent
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)aye absent
Anthony SteenTotnesCon (front bench)absent aye
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)no absent
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)no absent
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Hugo SwireEast DevonConabsent aye
Mark TamiAlyn and DeesideLab (minister)absent no
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)no both
Gareth ThomasHarrow WestLab (minister)absent no
Emily ThornberryIslington South and FinsburyLab (minister)absent no
John ThursoCaithness, Sutherland and Easter RossLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)no absent
David TredinnickBosworthConabsent aye
Paul TruswellPudseyLabno aye
Desmond TurnerBrighton, KemptownLab (minister)absent no
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)no absent
Shailesh VaraNorth West CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)absent aye
Peter ViggersGosportCon (front bench)absent aye
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentabsent aye
John WhittingdaleMaldon and East ChelmsfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConabsent aye
Alan WilliamsSwansea WestLab (minister)absent no
Betty WilliamsConwyLabno absent
Hywel WilliamsCaernarfonPC (front bench)absent aye
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabno aye
Phil WoolasOldham East and SaddleworthLab (minister)absent no
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)no absent
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard Younger-RossTeignbridgeLDem (front bench)absent aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 401 voted the same way, with 22 voting in opposite ways. There were 43 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 180 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
401
(401 + 22 + 0.2x180)
=
401
459
= 0.874 = 87.4 %.


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