Comparison of Divisions: Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat — 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 with Division No. 82 on 8 Nov 2005 at 21:15

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

Vote (b) (unedited): Electoral Administration Bill — Clause 15 — Personal identifiers: piloting - 8 Nov 2005 at 21:15 - Division No. 82

I beg to move amendment No. 4, in clause 15, page 14, line 17, leave out subsection (1).

Question put, That the amendment be made:-

The Committee divided: Ayes 201, Noes 283.

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Sir David AmessSouthend WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Tony BaldryBanburyConaye absent
John BercowBuckinghamwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)aye absent
Bill CashStoneCon (front bench)aye absent
Christopher ChopeChristchurchCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen CrabbPreseli PembrokeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
David DaviesMonmouthCon (front bench)aye absent
Philip DaviesShipleyConaye absent
Alan DuncanRutland and MeltonCon (front bench)aye absent
Iain Duncan SmithChingford and Woodford GreenConaye absent
Liam FoxWoodspringCon (front bench)aye absent
Roger GaleNorth ThanetCon (front bench)aye absent
Edward GarnierHarboroughCon (front bench)aye absent
Philip HammondRunnymede and WeybridgeCon (front bench)aye absent
John HayesSouth Holland and The DeepingsCon (front bench)aye absent
Charles HendryWealdenCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark HobanFarehamCon (front bench)aye absent
Douglas HoggSleaford and North HykehamCon (front bench)aye absent
Adam HollowayGraveshamCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael HowardFolkestone and HytheConaye absent
John HowellHenleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Bernard JenkinNorth EssexCon (front bench)aye absent
David JonesClwyd WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Robert KeySalisburyCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew LansleySouth CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Anne MainSt AlbansCon (front bench)aye absent
Anne McIntoshVale of YorkCon (front bench)aye absent
Patrick McLoughlinWest DerbyshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Patrick MercerNewarkCon (front bench)aye absent
Anne MiltonGuildfordCon (front bench)aye absent
Bob NeillBromley and ChislehurstCon (front bench)aye absent
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard OttawayCroydon SouthCon (front bench)aye absent
John PenroseWeston-Super-MareCon (front bench)aye absent
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaConaye absent
Andrew RosindellRomfordCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard ShepherdAldridge-BrownhillsCon (front bench)aye absent
Nicholas SoamesMid SussexCon (front bench)aye absent
Robert SymsPooleCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter TapsellLouth and HorncastleConaye absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichCon (front bench)aye absent
Ed VaizeyWantageCon (front bench)aye absent
Shailesh VaraNorth West CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter ViggersGosportCon (front bench)aye absent
Charles WalkerBroxbourneCon (front bench)aye absent
John WhittingdaleMaldon and East ChelmsfordCon (front bench)aye absent
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConaye absent
David WillettsHavantCon (front bench)aye absent
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)absent aye
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)absent aye
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)absent aye
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConabsent aye
Eric ForthBromley and ChislehurstConabsent aye
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)absent aye
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)absent aye
Boris JohnsonHenleyCon (front bench)absent aye
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)absent aye
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)absent aye
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)absent aye
Robert WalterNorth DorsetConabsent aye
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)absent aye
Iris RobinsonStrangfordDUP (front bench)absent aye
David SimpsonUpper BannDUP (front bench)absent aye
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentaye absent
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)aye absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye absent
Peter LawBlaenau GwentIndependentabsent no
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye no
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye no
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye no
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye no
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye no
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)aye no
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye no
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye no
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye no
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye no
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye no
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye no
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye no
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye no
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye no
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye no
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye no
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye no
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye no
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye no
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye no
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye no
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye no
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye absent
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye absent
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye absent
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabaye absent
Douglas AlexanderPaisley and Renfrewshire SouthLab (minister)no absent
Charlotte AtkinsStaffordshire MoorlandsLab (minister)no absent
Kevin BarronRother ValleyLab (minister)no absent
Margaret BeckettDerby SouthLab (minister)no absent
Bob BlizzardWaveneyLab (minister)no absent
David BlunkettSheffield, BrightsideLabno absent
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)no absent
Nick BrownNewcastle upon Tyne East and WallsendLab (minister)no absent
Ben ChapmanWirral SouthLab (minister)no absent
Yvette CooperPontefract and CastlefordLab (minister)no absent
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)no absent
David DrewStroudLab (minister)no absent
Jim FitzpatrickPoplar and Canning TownLab (minister)no absent
Peter HainNeathLabno absent
Dai HavardMerthyr Tydfil and RhymneyLab (minister)no absent
Phil HopeCorbyLab (minister)no absent
Beverley HughesStretford and UrmstonLab (minister)no absent
John HuttonBarrow and FurnessLab (minister)no absent
Alan JohnsonKingston upon Hull West and HessleLab (minister)no absent
Tessa JowellDulwich and West NorwoodLab (minister)no absent
Ruth KellyBolton WestLabno absent
David LammyTottenhamLab (minister)no absent
Ian McCartneyMakerfieldLabno absent
Tony McNultyHarrow EastLab (minister)no absent
Alan MilburnDarlingtonLabno absent
George MudieLeeds EastLab (minister)no absent
Meg MunnSheffield, HeeleyLabno absent
Doug NaysmithBristol North WestLab (minister)no absent
Ian PearsonDudley SouthLab (minister)no absent
Dawn PrimaroloBristol SouthLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLab (minister)no absent
Christine RussellCity of ChesterLab (minister)no absent
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLab (minister)no absent
Angela SmithBasildonLabno absent
Jacqui SmithRedditchLab (minister)no absent
Ian StewartEcclesLab (minister)no absent
Howard StoateDartfordLab (minister)no absent
Jack StrawBlackburnLab (minister)no absent
Graham StringerManchester, BlackleyLab (minister)no absent
Gerry SutcliffeBradford SouthLab (minister)no absent
Stephen TimmsEast HamLab (minister)no absent
Desmond TurnerBrighton, KemptownLab (minister)no absent
Derek TwiggHaltonLab (minister)no absent
Joan WalleyStoke-on-Trent NorthLab (minister)no absent
Michael WillsNorth SwindonLab (minister)no absent
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLab (minister)no absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)both no
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)absent no
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)absent no
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)absent no
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)absent no
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)absent no
Colin BurgonElmetLababsent no
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLababsent no
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLababsent no
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)absent no
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)absent no
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)absent no
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLab (minister)absent no
Frank CookStockton NorthLab (minister)absent no
Jon CruddasDagenhamLababsent no
Claire Curtis-ThomasCrosbyLababsent no
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)absent no
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)absent no
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)absent no
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)absent no
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)absent no
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)absent no
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)absent no
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLababsent no
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)absent no
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)absent no
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)absent no
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)absent no
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)absent no
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)absent no
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)absent no
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)absent no
Piara S KhabraEaling, SouthallLababsent no
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLababsent no
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLababsent no
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)absent no
Martin LintonBatterseaLababsent no
John MacDougallGlenrothesLababsent no
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLababsent no
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)absent no
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)absent no
David MarshallGlasgow EastLababsent no
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLababsent no
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLababsent no
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)absent no
Kali MountfordColne ValleyLab (minister)absent no
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)absent no
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)absent no
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLababsent no
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)absent no
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)absent no
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)absent no
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLababsent no
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)absent no
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)absent no
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)absent no
Betty WilliamsConwyLababsent no
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)absent no
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)absent no
Tom BrakeCarshalton and WallingtonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Paul BurstowSutton and CheamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Edward DaveyKingston and SurbitonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Julia GoldsworthyFalmouth and CamborneLDem (front bench)aye absent
Evan HarrisOxford West and AbingdonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Mark HunterCheadleLDem (front bench)aye absent
Norman LambNorth NorfolkLDem (front bench)aye absent
David LawsYeovilLDem (front bench)aye absent
John LeechManchester, WithingtonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Willie RennieDunfermline and West FifeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Matthew TaylorTruro and St AustellLDemaye absent
Sarah TeatherBrent EastLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)absent aye
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)absent aye
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)absent tellaye
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)aye no
John MasonGlasgow EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)aye absent
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)absent aye
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)absent aye
Alex SalmondBanff and BuchanSNP (front bench)absent aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 371 voted the same way, with 25 voting in opposite ways. There were 45 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 205 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
371
(371 + 25 + 0.2x205)
=
371
437
= 0.849 = 84.9 %.


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