Comparison of Divisions: Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat — 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 with Division No. 139 on 24 Jan 2006 at 17:15

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Vote (a) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

Vote (b) (unedited): Government of Wales Bill — [2nd Allotted Day] — Clause 94 — Amendment of Schedule 5 - 24 Jan 2006 at 17:15 - Division No. 139

Question accordingly negatived.

Amendment proposed: No. 123, in page 51, line 39, leave out from 'Parliament' to end of line 1 on page 52.-[Mr. Llwyd.]

Question put, That the amendment be made:-

The Committee divided: Ayes 206, Noes 275.

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Peter AinsworthEast SurreyCon (front bench)aye absent
Tony BaldryBanburyConaye absent
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)aye absent
Christopher ChopeChristchurchCon (front bench)aye absent
Patrick CormackSouth StaffordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Alan DuncanRutland and MeltonCon (front bench)aye absent
Liam FoxWoodspringCon (front bench)aye absent
Christopher FraserSouth West NorfolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Roger GaleNorth ThanetCon (front bench)aye absent
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)aye absent
William HagueRichmond (Yorks)Con (front bench)aye absent
Philip HammondRunnymede and WeybridgeCon (front bench)aye absent
Nick HerbertArundel and South DownsCon (front bench)aye absent
John HowellHenleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Greg KnightEast YorkshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew LansleySouth CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Oliver LetwinWest DorsetCon (front bench)aye absent
David LidingtonAylesburyCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew MacKayBracknellCon (front bench)aye absent
David MacleanPenrith and The BorderCon (front bench)aye absent
Theresa MayMaidenheadCon (front bench)aye absent
Patrick McLoughlinWest DerbyshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Maria MillerBasingstokeCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew MitchellSutton ColdfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
Bob NeillBromley and ChislehurstCon (front bench)aye absent
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)aye absent
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaConaye absent
Richard ShepherdAldridge-BrownhillsCon (front bench)aye absent
Nicholas SoamesMid SussexCon (front bench)aye absent
Caroline SpelmanMeridenCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard SpringWest SuffolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Desmond SwayneNew Forest WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Hugo SwireEast DevonConaye absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichCon (front bench)aye absent
David TredinnickBosworthConaye absent
Theresa VilliersChipping BarnetCon (front bench)aye absent
Angela WatkinsonUpminsterCon (front bench)aye absent
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConaye absent
David WillettsHavantCon (front bench)aye absent
Rob WilsonReading EastCon (front bench)aye absent
Nicholas WintertonMacclesfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)absent aye
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)absent aye
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)absent aye
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)absent aye
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)absent aye
Derek ConwayOld Bexley and Sidcupwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
Eric ForthBromley and ChislehurstConabsent aye
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)absent aye
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)absent aye
Boris JohnsonHenleyCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)absent aye
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael MatesEast HampshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)absent aye
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)aye absent
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)aye absent
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)aye absent
Ian PaisleyNorth AntrimDUPabsent aye
Iris RobinsonStrangfordDUP (front bench)absent aye
David SimpsonUpper BannDUP (front bench)absent aye
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentaye absent
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye absent
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye no
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye no
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye no
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye no
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye no
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye no
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye no
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)aye no
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye no
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye no
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye no
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye no
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye no
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye no
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye no
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye no
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye no
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye no
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye no
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye no
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye no
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye no
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye no
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye no
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye no
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabaye no
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye absent
David AndersonBlaydonLab (minister)no absent
Charlotte AtkinsStaffordshire MoorlandsLab (minister)no absent
Gordon BanksOchil and South PerthshireLab (minister)no absent
Margaret BeckettDerby SouthLab (minister)no absent
Joe BentonBootleLab (minister)no absent
Bob BlizzardWaveneyLab (minister)no absent
David BlunkettSheffield, BrightsideLabno absent
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)no absent
Tom ClarkeCoatbridge, Chryston and BellshillLab (minister)no absent
Ann ClwydCynon ValleyLab (minister)no absent
Yvette CooperPontefract and CastlefordLab (minister)no absent
David CrausbyBolton North EastLab (minister)no absent
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)no absent
John DenhamSouthampton, ItchenLab (minister)no absent
David HansonDelynLab (minister)no absent
Stephen HesfordWirral WestLab (minister)no absent
Patricia HewittLeicester WestLabno absent
Kim HowellsPontypriddLabno absent
Beverley HughesStretford and UrmstonLab (minister)no absent
John HuttonBarrow and FurnessLab (minister)no absent
Tessa JowellDulwich and West NorwoodLab (minister)no absent
Sally KeebleNorthampton NorthLab (minister)no absent
Ruth KellyBolton WestLabno absent
Bob LaxtonDerby NorthLab (minister)no absent
Tony LloydManchester CentralLab (minister)no absent
Shahid MalikDewsburyLab (minister)no absent
Eric MartlewCarlisleLab (minister)no absent
Steve McCabeBirmingham, Hall GreenLab (minister)no absent
Kerry McCarthyBristol EastLabno absent
Ian McCartneyMakerfieldLabno absent
Siobhain McDonaghMitcham and MordenLabno absent
Rosemary McKennaCumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch EastLab (minister)no absent
George MudieLeeds EastLab (minister)no absent
Albert OwenYnys MônLab (minister)no absent
James PurnellStalybridge and HydeLab (minister)no absent
Frank RoyMotherwell and WishawLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLab (minister)no absent
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLab (minister)no absent
Jim SheridanPaisley and Renfrewshire NorthLab (minister)no absent
Angela SmithBasildonLabno absent
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLab (minister)no absent
Jack StrawBlackburnLab (minister)no absent
Gareth ThomasHarrow WestLab (minister)no absent
Mark ToddSouth DerbyshireLab (minister)no absent
Desmond TurnerBrighton, KemptownLab (minister)no absent
Claire WardWatfordLab (minister)tellno absent
Tom WatsonWest Bromwich EastLab (minister)no absent
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLab (minister)no absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)both no
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)absent no
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)absent no
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)absent no
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)absent no
Colin BurgonElmetLababsent no
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLababsent no
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLababsent no
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)absent no
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)absent no
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)absent no
Jon CruddasDagenhamLababsent no
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)absent no
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)absent no
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLababsent no
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)absent no
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)absent no
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)absent no
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)absent no
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)absent no
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)absent no
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)absent no
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)absent no
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)absent no
Piara S KhabraEaling, SouthallLababsent no
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLababsent no
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLababsent no
Martin LintonBatterseaLababsent no
John MacDougallGlenrothesLababsent no
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLababsent no
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)absent no
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)absent no
Anne McGuireStirlingLababsent no
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLababsent no
David MilibandSouth ShieldsLab (minister)absent no
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)absent no
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)absent no
Kali MountfordColne ValleyLab (minister)absent no
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)absent no
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)absent no
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)absent no
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)absent no
Clare ShortBirmingham, Ladywoodwhilst Lababsent no
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)absent no
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLababsent no
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)absent no
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)absent no
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)absent no
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)absent no
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Lababsent no
Betty WilliamsConwyLababsent no
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)absent no
Colin BreedSouth East CornwallLDem (front bench)aye absent
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Vincent CableTwickenhamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Lynne FeatherstoneHornsey and Wood GreenLDem (front bench)aye absent
Julia GoldsworthyFalmouth and CamborneLDem (front bench)aye absent
Nick HarveyNorth DevonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Martin HorwoodCheltenhamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Simon HughesNorth Southwark and BermondseyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Christopher HuhneEastleighLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alan ReidArgyll and ButeLDem (front bench)tellaye absent
Willie RennieDunfermline and West FifeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Richard Younger-RossTeignbridgeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)absent tellaye
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)aye absent
John MasonGlasgow EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)absent aye
Alex SalmondBanff and BuchanSNP (front bench)absent aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 379 voted the same way, with 28 voting in opposite ways. There were 57 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 182 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
379
(379 + 28 + 0.2x182)
=
379
443.4
= 0.855 = 85.5 %.


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