Comparison of Divisions: Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat — 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 with Division No. 212 on 20 Apr 2006 at 15:15

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

Vote (b) (unedited): Northern Ireland (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill — Clause 19 — Department with policing and justice functions - 20 Apr 2006 at 15:15 - Division No. 212

I beg to move amendment No. 30, in page 13, line 41, leave out 'and justice'.

It is a delight to be back in the Chamber to discuss the Bill, and I am sure that the Minister shares those sentiments. He had a lively and enjoyable time yesterday, so I am sure he was impatient to get today's business under way.

I beg to move amendment No. 18, in page 14, line 4, at end insert-

'( ) The Act may provide for the department to be in the charge of the First and Deputy First Minister acting jointly.'.

I beg to move amendment No. 31, in page 14, line 12, at end insert-

'(4A) No person shall be appointed as Minister or Junior Minister of a Department to exercise functions consisting wholly or mainly of devolved policing and justice functions pursuant to this section if he has-

Question put, That the amendment be made:-

The Committee divided: Ayes 130, Noes 293.

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Michael AncramDevizesCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter AtkinsonHexhamCon (front bench)aye absent
Gregory BarkerBexhill and BattleCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard BenyonNewburyCon (front bench)aye absent
Paul BeresfordMole ValleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Crispin BluntReigateCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter BoneWellingboroughCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter BottomleyWorthing WestCon (front bench)aye absent
James BrokenshireHornchurchCon (front bench)aye absent
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)aye absent
Christopher ChopeChristchurchCon (front bench)aye absent
Geoffrey Clifton-BrownCotswoldCon (front bench)aye absent
Patrick CormackSouth StaffordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
David DaviesMonmouthCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)aye absent
Alan DuncanRutland and MeltonCon (front bench)aye absent
Iain Duncan SmithChingford and Woodford GreenConaye absent
Philip DunneLudlowCon (front bench)aye absent
Liam FoxWoodspringCon (front bench)aye absent
Roger GaleNorth ThanetCon (front bench)aye absent
Edward GarnierHarboroughCon (front bench)aye absent
Dame Cheryl GillanChesham and AmershamCon (front bench)aye absent
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)aye absent
Justine GreeningPutneyCon (front bench)aye absent
William HagueRichmond (Yorks)Con (front bench)aye absent
Charles HendryWealdenCon (front bench)aye absent
John HowellHenleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Nick HurdRuislip - NorthwoodCon (front bench)aye absent
Stewart JacksonPeterboroughCon (front bench)aye absent
Bernard JenkinNorth EssexCon (front bench)aye absent
Daniel KawczynskiShrewsbury and AtchamCon (front bench)aye absent
Robert KeySalisburyCon (front bench)aye absent
Jacqui LaitBeckenhamConaye absent
Andrew LansleySouth CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Julian LewisNew Forest EastCon (front bench)aye absent
Theresa MayMaidenheadCon (front bench)aye absent
Anne MiltonGuildfordCon (front bench)aye absent
Bob NeillBromley and ChislehurstCon (front bench)aye absent
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard OttawayCroydon SouthCon (front bench)aye absent
Eric PicklesBrentwood and OngarCon (front bench)aye absent
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaConaye absent
Andrew RobathanBlabyCon (front bench)aye absent
Hugh RobertsonFaversham and Mid KentCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard ShepherdAldridge-BrownhillsCon (front bench)aye absent
Caroline SpelmanMeridenCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael SpicerWest WorcestershireCon (front bench)aye absent
Gary StreeterSouth West DevonCon (front bench)aye absent
Graham StuartBeverley and HoldernessCon (front bench)aye absent
Desmond SwayneNew Forest WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Robert SymsPooleCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter TapsellLouth and HorncastleConaye absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichCon (front bench)aye absent
David TredinnickBosworthConaye absent
Andrew TurnerIsle of WightCon (front bench)aye absent
Nigel WatersonEastbourneCon (front bench)aye absent
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConaye absent
David WillettsHavantCon (front bench)aye absent
Jeremy WrightRugby and KenilworthCon (front bench)aye absent
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)aye absent
George YoungNorth West HampshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)absent aye
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)absent aye
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)absent aye
Derek ConwayOld Bexley and Sidcupwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
Eric ForthBromley and ChislehurstConabsent aye
John GreenwayRyedaleConabsent aye
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)absent aye
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)absent aye
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)absent aye
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
Ian PaisleyNorth AntrimDUPabsent aye
Iris RobinsonStrangfordDUP (front bench)absent aye
David SimpsonUpper BannDUP (front bench)absent aye
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentaye absent
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)aye absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye absent
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye no
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye no
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye no
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye no
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye no
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye no
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye no
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye no
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye no
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye no
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye no
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye no
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye no
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye no
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye no
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye no
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye no
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye no
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye no
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye absent
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye absent
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye absent
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)aye absent
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye absent
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye absent
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye absent
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabaye absent
Charlotte AtkinsStaffordshire MoorlandsLab (minister)no absent
Kevin BarronRother ValleyLab (minister)no absent
Hugh BayleyCity of YorkLab (minister)no absent
Margaret BeckettDerby SouthLab (minister)no absent
Stuart BellMiddlesbroughLab (minister)no absent
Kevin BrennanCardiff WestLab (minister)no absent
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)no absent
Lyn BrownWest HamLabno absent
Nick BrownNewcastle upon Tyne East and WallsendLab (minister)no absent
Des BrowneKilmarnock and LoudounLabno absent
Dawn ButlerBrent SouthLab (minister)no absent
Ben ChapmanWirral SouthLab (minister)no absent
Vernon CoakerGedlingLab (minister)no absent
Rosie CooperWest LancashireLab (minister)no absent
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)no absent
Wayne DavidCaerphillyLab (minister)no absent
Ian DavidsonGlasgow South WestLab (minister)no absent
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)no absent
Janet DeanBurtonLab (minister)no absent
Frank DobsonHolborn and St PancrasLabno absent
Jeff EnnisBarnsley East and MexboroughLabno absent
Rob FlelloStoke-on-Trent SouthLabno absent
Hywel FrancisAberavonLab (minister)no absent
Barry GardinerBrent NorthLabno absent
Linda GilroyPlymouth, SuttonLab (minister)no absent
Nigel GriffithsEdinburgh SouthLab (minister)no absent
Peter HainNeathLabno absent
Harriet HarmanCamberwell and PeckhamLab (minister)no absent
Keith HillStreathamLab (minister)no absent
George HowarthKnowsley North and Sefton EastLab (minister)no absent
Beverley HughesStretford and UrmstonLab (minister)no absent
Huw Irranca-DaviesOgmoreLab (minister)no absent
Diana R. JohnsonKingston upon Hull NorthLab (minister)no absent
Helen JonesWarrington NorthLab (minister)no absent
Bob LaxtonDerby NorthLab (minister)no absent
David LepperBrighton, PavilionLab (minister)no absent
Tony LloydManchester CentralLab (minister)no absent
Ian McCartneyMakerfieldLabno absent
Siobhain McDonaghMitcham and MordenLabno absent
Tony McNultyHarrow EastLab (minister)no absent
Alan MilburnDarlingtonLabno absent
Meg MunnSheffield, HeeleyLabno absent
Paul MurphyTorfaenLab (minister)no absent
Doug NaysmithBristol North WestLab (minister)no absent
Mike O'BrienNorth WarwickshireLab (minister)no absent
Dawn PrimaroloBristol SouthLab (minister)no absent
Gwyn ProsserDoverLab (minister)no absent
James PurnellStalybridge and HydeLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLab (minister)no absent
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLab (minister)no absent
Barry SheermanHuddersfieldLab (minister)no absent
Dennis SkinnerBolsoverLab (minister)no absent
Angela SmithBasildonLabno absent
John SmithVale of GlamorganLab (minister)no absent
Peter SoulsbyLeicester SouthLab (minister)no absent
Helen SouthworthWarrington SouthLab (minister)no absent
Howard StoateDartfordLab (minister)no absent
Jack StrawBlackburnLab (minister)no absent
Graham StringerManchester, BlackleyLab (minister)no absent
Dari TaylorStockton SouthLab (minister)no absent
Gareth ThomasHarrow WestLab (minister)no absent
Mark ToddSouth DerbyshireLab (minister)no absent
Joan WalleyStoke-on-Trent NorthLab (minister)no absent
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLab (minister)no absent
Iain WrightHartlepoolLab (minister)no absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)both absent
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)absent no
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)absent no
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)absent no
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)absent no
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)absent no
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)absent no
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLababsent no
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLababsent no
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)absent no
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)absent no
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)absent no
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLab (minister)absent no
Frank CookStockton NorthLab (minister)absent no
Jon CruddasDagenhamLababsent no
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)absent no
Bill EtheringtonSunderland NorthLababsent no
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)absent no
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)absent no
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)absent no
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)absent no
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)absent no
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)absent no
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)absent no
Margaret HodgeBarkingLababsent no
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)absent no
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)absent no
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)absent no
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)absent no
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)absent no
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)absent no
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)absent no
Piara S KhabraEaling, SouthallLababsent no
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLababsent no
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)absent no
Martin LintonBatterseaLababsent no
John MacDougallGlenrothesLababsent no
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLababsent no
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)absent no
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)absent no
David MarshallGlasgow EastLababsent no
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLababsent no
Anne McGuireStirlingLababsent no
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLababsent no
Alan MealeMansfieldLababsent no
David MilibandSouth ShieldsLab (minister)absent no
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)absent no
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)absent no
Kali MountfordColne ValleyLab (minister)absent no
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)absent no
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)absent no
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)absent no
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)absent no
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLababsent no
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)absent no
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)absent no
Clare ShortBirmingham, Ladywoodwhilst Lababsent no
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)absent no
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLababsent no
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)absent no
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)absent no
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLababsent no
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Lababsent no
Betty WilliamsConwyLababsent no
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)absent no
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)absent no
Colin BreedSouth East CornwallLDem (front bench)aye no
Annette BrookeMid Dorset and North PooleLDem (front bench)aye no
Jeremy BrowneTauntonLDem (front bench)aye no
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)aye no
Paul BurstowSutton and CheamLDem (front bench)aye no
Lorely BurtSolihullLDem (front bench)aye no
Vincent CableTwickenhamLDem (front bench)aye no
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)aye no
Edward DaveyKingston and SurbitonLDem (front bench)aye no
Lynne FeatherstoneHornsey and Wood GreenLDem (front bench)aye no
Don FosterBathLDem (front bench)aye no
Andrew GeorgeSt IvesLDem (front bench)aye no
Evan HarrisOxford West and AbingdonLDem (front bench)aye no
David HeathSomerton and FromeLDem (front bench)aye no
Paul HolmesChesterfieldLDem (front bench)aye no
David HowarthCambridgeLDem (front bench)aye no
Christopher HuhneEastleighLDem (front bench)aye no
Susan KramerRichmond ParkLDemaye no
Greg MulhollandLeeds North WestLDem (front bench)aye no
John PughSouthportLDem (front bench)aye no
Bob RussellColchesterLDem (front bench)aye no
Sarah TeatherBrent EastLDem (front bench)aye no
Phil WillisHarrogate and KnaresboroughLDem (front bench)aye no
Danny AlexanderInverness, Nairn, Badenoch and StrathspeyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Norman BakerLewesLDem (front bench)aye absent
John BarrettEdinburgh WestLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alan BeithBerwick-upon-TweedLDem (front bench)aye absent
Tom BrakeCarshalton and WallingtonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Tim FarronWestmorland and LonsdaleLDem (front bench)aye absent
Julia GoldsworthyFalmouth and CamborneLDem (front bench)aye absent
Nick HarveyNorth DevonLDem (front bench)aye absent
John HemmingBirmingham, YardleyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Martin HorwoodCheltenhamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Simon HughesNorth Southwark and BermondseyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Mark HunterCheadleLDem (front bench)aye absent
Norman LambNorth NorfolkLDem (front bench)aye absent
David LawsYeovilLDem (front bench)aye absent
John LeechManchester, WithingtonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Michael MooreBerwickshire, Roxburgh and SelkirkLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alan ReidArgyll and ButeLDem (front bench)tellaye absent
Willie RennieDunfermline and West FifeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Dan RogersonNorth CornwallLDem (front bench)tellaye absent
Adrian SandersTorbayLDem (front bench)aye absent
Robert SmithWest Aberdeenshire and KincardineLDem (front bench)aye absent
Andrew StunellHazel GroveLDem (front bench)aye absent
Matthew TaylorTruro and St AustellLDemaye absent
John ThursoCaithness, Sutherland and Easter RossLDem (front bench)aye absent
Steve WebbNorthavonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Mark WilliamsCeredigionLDem (front bench)aye absent
Stephen WilliamsBristol WestLDem (front bench)aye absent
Jennifer WillottCardiff CentralLDem (front bench)aye absent
Richard Younger-RossTeignbridgeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)absent no
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)absent no
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)absent no
Elfyn LlwydMeirionnydd Nant ConwyPC (front bench)aye absent
Adam PriceCarmarthen East and DinefwrPC (front bench)aye absent
Hywel WilliamsCaernarfonPC (front bench)aye absent
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)aye no
Mark DurkanFoyleSDLP (front bench)absent no
Eddie McGradySouth DownSDLPabsent no
John MasonGlasgow EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)aye absent
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)aye absent
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)aye absent

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 297 voted the same way, with 44 voting in opposite ways. There were 49 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 256 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
297
(297 + 44 + 0.2x256)
=
297
392.2
= 0.757 = 75.7 %.


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