Comparison of Divisions: Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat — 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 with Division No. 152 on 25 Jun 2007 at 22:15

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

Vote (b) (unedited): Orders of the Day — Clause 3 — Small companies' rates and fractions for financial year 2007 - 25 Jun 2007 at 22:15 - Division No. 152

I beg to move amendment No. 43, page 2, line 9, leave out clause 3.

Question put, That the amendment be made:-

The House divided: Ayes 191, Noes 268.

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Graham BradyAltrincham and Sale WestCon (front bench)aye absent
David BurrowesEnfield, SouthgateCon (front bench)aye absent
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)aye absent
Patrick CormackSouth StaffordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Geoffrey CoxTorridge and West DevonCon (front bench)aye absent
David CurrySkipton and RiponCon (front bench)aye absent
Philip DaviesShipleyConaye absent
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)aye absent
Roger GaleNorth ThanetCon (front bench)aye absent
Philip HammondRunnymede and WeybridgeCon (front bench)aye absent
Greg HandsHammersmith and FulhamCon (front bench)aye absent
John HowellHenleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Bernard JenkinNorth EssexCon (front bench)aye absent
Greg KnightEast YorkshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Jacqui LaitBeckenhamConaye absent
Julian LewisNew Forest EastCon (front bench)aye absent
David LidingtonAylesburyCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter LilleyHitchin and HarpendenConaye absent
David MacleanPenrith and The BorderCon (front bench)aye absent
Anne MainSt AlbansCon (front bench)aye absent
Patrick McLoughlinWest DerbyshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew MitchellSutton ColdfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard OttawayCroydon SouthCon (front bench)aye absent
John RedwoodWokinghamConaye absent
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaConaye absent
David RuffleyBury St EdmundsCon (front bench)aye absent
Grant ShappsWelwyn HatfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard ShepherdAldridge-BrownhillsCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael SpicerWest WorcestershireCon (front bench)aye absent
Gary StreeterSouth West DevonCon (front bench)aye absent
Desmond SwayneNew Forest WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter TapsellLouth and HorncastleConaye absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew TurnerIsle of WightCon (front bench)aye absent
Ed VaizeyWantageCon (front bench)aye absent
John WhittingdaleMaldon and East ChelmsfordCon (front bench)aye absent
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)aye absent
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)absent aye
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)absent aye
Derek ConwayOld Bexley and Sidcupwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)absent aye
Boris JohnsonHenleyCon (front bench)absent aye
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)absent aye
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael MatesEast HampshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)absent aye
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)aye absent
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)aye absent
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)aye absent
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPaye absent
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentaye no
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)aye absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye absent
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye no
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye no
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye no
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye no
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye no
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye no
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)aye no
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye no
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye no
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye no
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye no
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye no
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye no
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye no
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye no
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye no
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye no
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye no
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye no
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye absent
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye absent
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye absent
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye absent
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye absent
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye absent
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye absent
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabaye absent
Ian AustinDudley NorthLab (minister)no absent
Margaret BeckettDerby SouthLab (minister)no absent
Roger BerryKingswoodLab (minister)no absent
Hazel BlearsSalfordLab (minister)no absent
David BlunkettSheffield, BrightsideLabno absent
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)no absent
Nick BrownNewcastle upon Tyne East and WallsendLab (minister)no absent
David CairnsInverclydeLabno absent
David ClellandTyne BridgeLab (minister)no absent
Rosie CooperWest LancashireLab (minister)no absent
Mary CreaghWakefieldLab (minister)no absent
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)no absent
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)no absent
Maria EagleLiverpool, GarstonLab (minister)no absent
Natascha EngelNorth East DerbyshireLabno absent
Jim FitzpatrickPoplar and Canning TownLab (minister)no absent
Rob FlelloStoke-on-Trent SouthLabno absent
Michael Jabez FosterHastings and RyeLab (minister)no absent
Paul GogginsWythenshawe and Sale EastLab (minister)no absent
Peter HainNeathLabno absent
Harriet HarmanCamberwell and PeckhamLab (minister)no absent
Sharon HodgsonGateshead East and Washington WestLab (minister)no absent
Kim HowellsPontypriddLabno absent
Adam IngramEast Kilbride, Strathaven and LesmahagowLabno absent
Tessa JowellDulwich and West NorwoodLab (minister)no absent
Ruth KellyBolton WestLabno absent
Bob LaxtonDerby NorthLab (minister)no absent
Mark LazarowiczEdinburgh North and LeithLab (minister)no absent
Ian McCartneyMakerfieldLabno absent
John McFallWest DunbartonshireLab (minister)no absent
Rosemary McKennaCumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch EastLab (minister)no absent
Margaret MoranLuton SouthLab (minister)no absent
Jessica MordenNewport EastLab (minister)no absent
Dan NorrisWansdykeLab (minister)no absent
Gordon PrenticePendleLab (minister)no absent
James PurnellStalybridge and HydeLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLab (minister)no absent
Mohammad SarwarGlasgow CentralLab (minister)no absent
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLab (minister)no absent
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLab (minister)no absent
Ian StewartEcclesLab (minister)no absent
Howard StoateDartfordLab (minister)no absent
Jack StrawBlackburnLab (minister)no absent
Mark ToddSouth DerbyshireLab (minister)no absent
Jon TrickettHemsworthLabno absent
Kitty UssherBurnleyLab (minister)no absent
Claire WardWatfordLab (minister)tellno absent
Malcolm WicksCroydon NorthLabno absent
Michael WillsNorth SwindonLab (minister)no absent
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLab (minister)no absent
Phil WoolasOldham East and SaddleworthLab (minister)no absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)both no
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)absent no
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)absent no
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)absent no
Colin BurgonElmetLababsent no
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLababsent no
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)absent no
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)absent no
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)absent no
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLab (minister)absent no
Frank CookStockton NorthLab (minister)absent no
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)absent no
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)absent no
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)absent no
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)absent no
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLababsent no
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)absent no
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)absent no
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)absent no
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)absent no
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)absent no
Margaret HodgeBarkingLababsent no
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)absent no
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)absent no
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)absent no
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)absent no
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)absent no
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLababsent no
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLababsent no
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)absent no
Martin LintonBatterseaLababsent no
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)absent no
Anne McGuireStirlingLababsent no
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLababsent no
David MilibandSouth ShieldsLab (minister)absent no
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)absent no
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)absent no
Kali MountfordColne ValleyLab (minister)absent no
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)absent no
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)absent no
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLababsent no
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)absent no
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)absent no
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLababsent no
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)absent no
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)absent no
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)absent no
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLababsent no
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)absent no
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)absent no
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)absent no
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)absent no
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Lababsent no
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)absent no
Norman BakerLewesLDem (front bench)aye absent
John BarrettEdinburgh WestLDem (front bench)aye absent
Tom BrakeCarshalton and WallingtonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Colin BreedSouth East CornwallLDem (front bench)aye absent
Annette BrookeMid Dorset and North PooleLDem (front bench)aye absent
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Paul BurstowSutton and CheamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Lynne FeatherstoneHornsey and Wood GreenLDem (front bench)aye absent
Don FosterBathLDem (front bench)aye absent
Andrew GeorgeSt IvesLDem (front bench)aye absent
Evan HarrisOxford West and AbingdonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Paul HolmesChesterfieldLDem (front bench)aye absent
Martin HorwoodCheltenhamLDem (front bench)aye absent
David HowarthCambridgeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Mark HunterCheadleLDem (front bench)aye absent
David LawsYeovilLDem (front bench)aye absent
Steve WebbNorthavonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Phil WillisHarrogate and KnaresboroughLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)absent aye
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)absent aye
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)aye absent
John MasonGlasgow EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)aye absent
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)absent aye
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)aye absent

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 369 voted the same way, with 21 voting in opposite ways. There were 59 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 197 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
369
(369 + 21 + 0.2x197)
=
369
429.4
= 0.859 = 85.9 %.


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