Comparison of Divisions: Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat — 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 with Division No. 201 on 20 May 2008 at 22:00

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

Vote (b) : Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill — Change abortion limit from 24 weeks to 20 weeks — rejected - 20 May 2008 at 22:00 - Division No. 201

The majority of MPs voted against adding an new paragraph to the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill to change the time limit for the legal termination of pregnancy from 24 weeks to 20 weeks.[1]

A preceding attempt to change the limit to 16 weeks had also failed.[2]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
James ArbuthnotNorth East HampshireCon (front bench)aye no
Tony BaldryBanburyConaye no
John BaronBillericayCon (front bench)aye no
John BercowBuckinghamwhilst Con (front bench)aye no
Paul BeresfordMole ValleyCon (front bench)aye no
Crispin BluntReigateCon (front bench)aye no
Geoffrey Clifton-BrownCotswoldCon (front bench)aye no
David CurrySkipton and RiponCon (front bench)aye no
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)aye no
James DuddridgeRochford and Southend EastCon (front bench)aye no
Philip DunneLudlowCon (front bench)aye no
Edward GarnierHarboroughCon (front bench)aye no
Douglas HoggSleaford and North HykehamCon (front bench)aye no
Nick HurdRuislip - NorthwoodCon (front bench)aye no
Robert KeySalisburyCon (front bench)aye no
Greg KnightEast YorkshireCon (front bench)aye no
Jacqui LaitBeckenhamConaye no
Andrew MacKayBracknellCon (front bench)aye no
Anne McIntoshVale of YorkCon (front bench)aye no
Patrick MercerNewarkCon (front bench)aye no
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)aye no
John PenroseWeston-Super-MareCon (front bench)aye no
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaConaye no
Mark SimmondsBoston and SkegnessCon (front bench)aye no
Hugo SwireEast DevonConaye no
David TredinnickBosworthConaye no
Andrew TyrieChichesterCon (front bench)aye no
Peter ViggersGosportCon (front bench)aye no
Theresa VilliersChipping BarnetCon (front bench)aye no
Bill WigginLeominsterCon (front bench)aye no
George YoungNorth West HampshireCon (front bench)aye no
Adam AfriyieWindsorCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter BottomleyWorthing WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Graham BradyAltrincham and Sale WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Philip DaviesShipleyConaye absent
Alan DuncanRutland and MeltonCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael FabricantLichfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
Christopher FraserSouth West NorfolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Roger GaleNorth ThanetCon (front bench)aye absent
Nick GibbBognor Regis and LittlehamptonCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael GoveSurrey HeathCon (front bench)aye absent
Gerald HowarthAldershotCon (front bench)aye absent
John HowellHenleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Bernard JenkinNorth EssexCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark LancasterNorth East Milton KeynesCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew LansleySouth CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Tim LoughtonEast Worthing and ShorehamCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew MitchellSutton ColdfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard OttawayCroydon SouthCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark PriskHertford and StortfordCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew RosindellRomfordCon (front bench)aye absent
David RuffleyBury St EdmundsCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael SpicerWest WorcestershireCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter TapsellLouth and HorncastleConaye absent
Ian TaylorEsher and WaltonConaye absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichCon (front bench)aye absent
Ben WallaceLancaster and WyreCon (front bench)aye absent
John WhittingdaleMaldon and East ChelmsfordCon (front bench)aye absent
David WillettsHavantCon (front bench)aye absent
Ann WintertonCongletonCon (front bench)aye absent
Nicholas WintertonMacclesfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)absent aye
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)absent aye
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConabsent aye
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)absent aye
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael MatesEast HampshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)absent aye
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Robert WalterNorth DorsetConabsent aye
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)absent no
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)absent no
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)absent no
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)absent no
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)aye absent
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPaye absent
Iris RobinsonStrangfordDUP (front bench)absent aye
David SimpsonUpper BannDUP (front bench)absent aye
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentaye no
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)aye no
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Derek ConwayOld Bexley and Sidcupwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Clare ShortBirmingham, Ladywoodwhilst Independent Labourabsent no
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye no
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye no
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye no
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye no
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye no
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye no
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)aye no
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye no
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye no
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye no
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye no
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye no
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye no
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye no
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye no
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye no
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye no
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye no
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabaye no
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye absent
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye absent
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye absent
Stuart BellMiddlesbroughLab (minister)no aye
Joe BentonBootleLab (minister)no aye
David BorrowSouth RibbleLab (minister)no aye
Des BrowneKilmarnock and LoudounLabno aye
Tom ClarkeCoatbridge, Chryston and BellshillLab (minister)no aye
David CrausbyBolton North EastLab (minister)no aye
John CummingsEasingtonLab (minister)no aye
Tony CunninghamWorkingtonLab (minister)no aye
David DrewStroudLab (minister)no aye
Michael Jabez FosterHastings and RyeLab (minister)no aye
Paul GogginsWythenshawe and Sale EastLab (minister)no aye
John GroganSelbyLab (minister)no aye
Tom HarrisGlasgow SouthLabno aye
Huw Irranca-DaviesOgmoreLab (minister)no aye
Helen JonesWarrington NorthLab (minister)no aye
Ruth KellyBolton WestLabno aye
Shahid MalikDewsburyLab (minister)no aye
Thomas McAvoyRutherglen and Hamilton WestLab (minister)no aye
John McFallWest DunbartonshireLab (minister)no aye
Jim McGovernDundee WestLab (minister)no aye
Paul MurphyTorfaenLab (minister)no aye
Albert OwenYnys MônLab (minister)no aye
Frank RoyMotherwell and WishawLab (minister)no aye
Chris RuaneVale of ClwydLabno aye
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLab (minister)no aye
Don TouhigIslwynLab (minister)no aye
Derek TwiggHaltonLab (minister)no aye
Claire WardWatfordLab (minister)tellno aye
Nick AingerCarmarthen West and South PembrokeshireLab (minister)no absent
Graham AllenNottingham NorthLabno absent
David AndersonBlaydonLab (minister)no absent
Janet AndersonRossendale and DarwenLab (minister)no absent
Charlotte AtkinsStaffordshire MoorlandsLab (minister)no absent
Ian AustinDudley NorthLab (minister)no absent
Vera BairdRedcarLab (minister)no absent
David CairnsInverclydeLabno absent
Ben ChapmanWirral SouthLab (minister)no absent
Ann ClwydCynon ValleyLab (minister)no absent
Rosie CooperWest LancashireLab (minister)no absent
Rob FlelloStoke-on-Trent SouthLabno absent
Barry GardinerBrent NorthLabno absent
Bruce GeorgeWalsall SouthLabno absent
Andrew GwynneDenton and ReddishLab (minister)no absent
Mark HendrickPrestonLab (minister)no absent
John HeppellNottingham EastLab (minister)no absent
Stephen HesfordWirral WestLab (minister)no absent
Gerald KaufmanManchester, GortonLab (minister)no absent
Alan KeenFeltham and HestonLab (minister)no absent
Jane KennedyLiverpool, WavertreeLab (minister)no absent
Bob LaxtonDerby NorthLab (minister)no absent
Steve McCabeBirmingham, Hall GreenLab (minister)no absent
Ian McCartneyMakerfieldLabno absent
Siobhain McDonaghMitcham and MordenLabno absent
Rosemary McKennaCumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch EastLab (minister)no absent
Alun MichaelCardiff South and PenarthLab (minister)no absent
Elliot MorleyScunthorpeLabno absent
George MudieLeeds EastLab (minister)no absent
Jim MurphyEast RenfrewshireLab (minister)no absent
Mike O'BrienNorth WarwickshireLab (minister)no absent
Bill OlnerNuneatonLab (minister)no absent
Terry RooneyBradford NorthLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLab (minister)no absent
Mohammad SarwarGlasgow CentralLab (minister)no absent
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLab (minister)no absent
John SmithVale of GlamorganLab (minister)no absent
Graham StringerManchester, BlackleyLab (minister)no absent
Gerry SutcliffeBradford SouthLab (minister)no absent
Tom WatsonWest Bromwich EastLab (minister)no absent
Dave WattsSt Helens NorthLab (minister)tellno absent
Derek WyattSittingbourne and SheppeyLab (minister)no absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)both tellaye
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)absent aye
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLababsent aye
Claire Curtis-ThomasCrosbyLababsent aye
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)absent aye
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)absent aye
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)absent aye
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLababsent aye
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)absent aye
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)absent aye
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLababsent aye
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)absent no
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)absent no
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)absent no
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)absent no
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)absent no
Colin BurgonElmetLababsent no
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLababsent no
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLababsent no
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)absent no
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)absent no
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLab (minister)absent no
Jon CruddasDagenhamLababsent no
Bill EtheringtonSunderland NorthLababsent no
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)absent no
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)absent no
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)absent no
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLababsent no
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)absent no
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)absent no
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLababsent no
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)absent no
Margaret HodgeBarkingLababsent no
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)absent no
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)absent no
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)absent no
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)absent no
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLababsent no
Martin LintonBatterseaLababsent no
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)absent no
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)absent no
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLababsent no
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLababsent no
Alan MealeMansfieldLababsent no
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)absent no
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)absent no
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)absent no
Kali MountfordColne ValleyLab (minister)absent no
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)absent no
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)absent no
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLababsent no
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)absent no
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)absent no
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)absent no
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)absent no
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)absent no
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLababsent no
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)absent no
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)absent no
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)absent no
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLababsent no
Betty WilliamsConwyLababsent no
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)absent no
Danny AlexanderInverness, Nairn, Badenoch and StrathspeyLDem (front bench)aye no
John BarrettEdinburgh WestLDem (front bench)aye no
Tom BrakeCarshalton and WallingtonLDem (front bench)aye no
Annette BrookeMid Dorset and North PooleLDem (front bench)aye no
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)aye no
Paul BurstowSutton and CheamLDem (front bench)aye no
Lorely BurtSolihullLDem (front bench)aye no
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)aye no
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)aye no
Edward DaveyKingston and SurbitonLDem (front bench)aye no
Lynne FeatherstoneHornsey and Wood GreenLDem (front bench)aye no
Don FosterBathLDem (front bench)aye no
Andrew GeorgeSt IvesLDem (front bench)aye no
Julia GoldsworthyFalmouth and CamborneLDem (front bench)aye no
Evan HarrisOxford West and AbingdonLDem (front bench)aye no
Nick HarveyNorth DevonLDem (front bench)aye no
John HemmingBirmingham, YardleyLDem (front bench)aye no
Paul HolmesChesterfieldLDem (front bench)aye no
Martin HorwoodCheltenhamLDem (front bench)aye no
David HowarthCambridgeLDem (front bench)aye no
Christopher HuhneEastleighLDem (front bench)aye no
Mark HunterCheadleLDem (front bench)aye no
Susan KramerRichmond ParkLDemaye no
Norman LambNorth NorfolkLDem (front bench)aye no
John LeechManchester, WithingtonLDem (front bench)aye no
Michael MooreBerwickshire, Roxburgh and SelkirkLDem (front bench)aye no
Alan ReidArgyll and ButeLDem (front bench)tellaye no
Willie RennieDunfermline and West FifeLDem (front bench)aye no
Robert SmithWest Aberdeenshire and KincardineLDem (front bench)aye no
Matthew TaylorTruro and St AustellLDemaye no
John ThursoCaithness, Sutherland and Easter RossLDem (front bench)aye no
Steve WebbNorthavonLDem (front bench)aye no
Mark WilliamsCeredigionLDem (front bench)aye no
Stephen WilliamsBristol WestLDem (front bench)aye no
Phil WillisHarrogate and KnaresboroughLDem (front bench)aye no
Jennifer WillottCardiff CentralLDem (front bench)aye no
Alan BeithBerwick-upon-TweedLDem (front bench)aye absent
Jeremy BrowneTauntonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Vincent CableTwickenhamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Tim FarronWestmorland and LonsdaleLDem (front bench)aye absent
David HeathSomerton and FromeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Adrian SandersTorbayLDem (front bench)aye absent
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)absent no
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)absent no
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)absent no
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)absent no
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)absent no
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)absent no
Elfyn LlwydMeirionnydd Nant ConwyPC (front bench)aye no
Hywel WilliamsCaernarfonPC (front bench)aye no
Adam PriceCarmarthen East and DinefwrPC (front bench)aye absent
Mark DurkanFoyleSDLP (front bench)absent aye
Eddie McGradySouth DownSDLPabsent aye
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)aye no
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)aye no
John MasonGlasgow EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)absent aye
Alex SalmondBanff and BuchanSNP (front bench)absent aye
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)absent no

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 308 voted the same way, with 120 voting in opposite ways. There were 34 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 184 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
308
(308 + 120 + 0.2x184)
=
308
464.8
= 0.663 = 66.3 %.


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