Comparison of Divisions: Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat — 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 with Division No. 258 on 9 Jul 2008 at 19:27

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

Vote (b) : Northern Ireland (Sentences) Act 1998 — Specified Organisations - 9 Jul 2008 at 19:27 - Division No. 258

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the Northern Ireland (Sentences) Act 1998 (Specified Organisations) Order 2008 which was made under the Northern Ireland (Sentences) Act 1998 and replaced a list of Terrorist that was given in the Northern Ireland (Sentences) Act 1998 (Specified Organisations) Order 2005

Comparing the two lists, it appears that The Ulster Volunteer Force, and The Red Hand Commando are taken off, and Óglaigh na hEireann is added to the list, but you'd never know without somehow managing to dig out these obscure documents, owing to the generally terse obfuscation of Parliamentary motions, like the meaning of them isn't actually important to tell anyone.

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their inverted vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Alistair BurtNorth East BedfordshireCon (front bench)aye both
Adam AfriyieWindsorCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter AinsworthEast SurreyCon (front bench)aye absent
Sir David AmessSouthend WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael AncramDevizesCon (front bench)aye absent
James ArbuthnotNorth East HampshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard BaconSouth NorfolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Tony BaldryBanburyConaye absent
Gregory BarkerBexhill and BattleCon (front bench)aye absent
John BercowBuckinghamwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
Paul BeresfordMole ValleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Graham BradyAltrincham and Sale WestCon (front bench)aye absent
David BurrowesEnfield, SouthgateCon (front bench)aye absent
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)aye absent
Bill CashStoneCon (front bench)aye absent
Geoffrey Clifton-BrownCotswoldCon (front bench)aye absent
Patrick CormackSouth StaffordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Geoffrey CoxTorridge and West DevonCon (front bench)aye absent
David DaviesMonmouthCon (front bench)aye absent
Jonathan DjanoglyHuntingdonCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)aye absent
Nadine DorriesMid BedfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Iain Duncan SmithChingford and Woodford GreenConaye absent
Tobias EllwoodBournemouth EastCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark FieldCities of London and WestminsterCon (front bench)aye absent
Roger GaleNorth ThanetCon (front bench)aye absent
Edward GarnierHarboroughCon (front bench)aye absent
David GaukeSouth West HertfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Paul GoodmanWycombeCon (front bench)aye absent
Robert GoodwillScarborough and WhitbyCon (front bench)aye absent
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)aye absent
Dominic GrieveBeaconsfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
Philip HammondRunnymede and WeybridgeCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen HammondWimbledonCon (front bench)aye absent
Greg HandsHammersmith and FulhamCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark HobanFarehamCon (front bench)aye absent
Douglas HoggSleaford and North HykehamCon (front bench)aye absent
Adam HollowayGraveshamCon (front bench)aye absent
Jeremy HuntSouth West SurreyCon (front bench)aye absent
Stewart JacksonPeterboroughCon (front bench)aye absent
Bernard JenkinNorth EssexCon (front bench)aye absent
Eleanor LaingEpping ForestCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew LansleySouth CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Edward LeighGainsboroughCon (front bench)aye absent
Oliver LetwinWest DorsetCon (front bench)aye absent
Julian LewisNew Forest EastCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew MacKayBracknellCon (front bench)aye absent
Patrick McLoughlinWest DerbyshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Patrick MercerNewarkCon (front bench)aye absent
Anne MiltonGuildfordCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew MitchellSutton ColdfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
Bob NeillBromley and ChislehurstCon (front bench)aye absent
James PaiceSouth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Mike PenningHemel HempsteadCon (front bench)aye absent
Eric PicklesBrentwood and OngarCon (front bench)aye absent
John RedwoodWokinghamConaye absent
Richard ShepherdAldridge-BrownhillsCon (front bench)aye absent
Nicholas SoamesMid SussexCon (front bench)aye absent
Caroline SpelmanMeridenCon (front bench)aye absent
Anthony SteenTotnesCon (front bench)aye absent
Hugo SwireEast DevonConaye absent
Andrew TyrieChichesterCon (front bench)aye absent
Ed VaizeyWantageCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter ViggersGosportCon (front bench)aye absent
Theresa VilliersChipping BarnetCon (front bench)aye absent
Charles WalkerBroxbourneCon (front bench)aye absent
Nigel WatersonEastbourneCon (front bench)aye absent
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConaye absent
Rob WilsonReading EastCon (front bench)aye absent
Ann WintertonCongletonCon (front bench)aye absent
Jeremy WrightRugby and KenilworthCon (front bench)aye absent
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)absent no
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)absent no
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)absent no
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConabsent no
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)absent no
John GreenwayRyedaleConabsent no
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)absent no
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)absent no
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)absent no
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)absent no
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)absent no
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)absent no
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)absent no
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)absent no
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)absent no
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)aye aye
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)aye absent
David SimpsonUpper BannDUP (front bench)absent no
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentaye aye
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)aye aye
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye absent
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye aye
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye aye
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye aye
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye aye
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye aye
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye aye
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye aye
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye aye
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye aye
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye aye
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye aye
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye absent
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye absent
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)aye absent
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye absent
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye absent
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye absent
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye absent
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabaye absent
Nick AingerCarmarthen West and South PembrokeshireLab (minister)no absent
Graham AllenNottingham NorthLabno absent
Charlotte AtkinsStaffordshire MoorlandsLab (minister)no absent
Ian AustinDudley NorthLab (minister)no absent
Kevin BarronRother ValleyLab (minister)no absent
David BorrowSouth RibbleLab (minister)no absent
Ben BradshawExeterLab (minister)no absent
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)no absent
Lyn BrownWest HamLabno absent
Des BrowneKilmarnock and LoudounLabno absent
Liam ByrneBirmingham, Hodge HillLab (minister)no absent
Rosie CooperWest LancashireLab (minister)no absent
Jim CousinsNewcastle upon Tyne CentralLab (minister)no absent
David CrausbyBolton North EastLab (minister)no absent
Ian DavidsonGlasgow South WestLab (minister)no absent
John DenhamSouthampton, ItchenLab (minister)no absent
Parmjit DhandaGloucesterLabno absent
Frank DobsonHolborn and St PancrasLabno absent
David DrewStroudLab (minister)no absent
Natascha EngelNorth East DerbyshireLabno absent
Michael Jabez FosterHastings and RyeLab (minister)no absent
Barry GardinerBrent NorthLabno absent
Bruce GeorgeWalsall SouthLabno absent
Dai HavardMerthyr Tydfil and RhymneyLab (minister)no absent
Mark HendrickPrestonLab (minister)no absent
Stephen HepburnJarrowLab (minister)no absent
Keith HillStreathamLab (minister)no absent
Kim HowellsPontypriddLabno absent
Beverley HughesStretford and UrmstonLab (minister)no absent
John HuttonBarrow and FurnessLab (minister)no absent
Adam IngramEast Kilbride, Strathaven and LesmahagowLabno absent
Alan JohnsonKingston upon Hull West and HessleLab (minister)no absent
Kevan JonesNorth DurhamLab (minister)no absent
Tessa JowellDulwich and West NorwoodLab (minister)no absent
Alan KeenFeltham and HestonLab (minister)no absent
Ann KeenBrentford and IsleworthLab (minister)no absent
Jim KnightSouth DorsetLab (minister)no absent
Andrew LoveEdmontonLab (minister)no absent
Steve McCabeBirmingham, Hall GreenLab (minister)no absent
Ian McCartneyMakerfieldLabno absent
John McFallWest DunbartonshireLab (minister)no absent
Ann McKechinGlasgow NorthLab (minister)no absent
Tony McNultyHarrow EastLab (minister)no absent
Gillian MerronLincolnLab (minister)no absent
Madeleine MoonBridgendLab (minister)no absent
Jessica MordenNewport EastLab (minister)no absent
George MudieLeeds EastLab (minister)no absent
Jim MurphyEast RenfrewshireLab (minister)no absent
Albert OwenYnys MônLab (minister)no absent
Dawn PrimaroloBristol SouthLab (minister)no absent
Geoffrey RobinsonCoventry North WestLabno absent
Terry RooneyBradford NorthLab (minister)no absent
Frank RoyMotherwell and WishawLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLab (minister)no absent
Joan RuddockLewisham, DeptfordLab (minister)no absent
Jacqui SmithRedditchLab (minister)no absent
John SmithVale of GlamorganLab (minister)no absent
Helen SouthworthWarrington SouthLab (minister)no absent
Dari TaylorStockton SouthLab (minister)no absent
Gareth ThomasHarrow WestLab (minister)no absent
Emily ThornberryIslington South and FinsburyLab (minister)no absent
Mark ToddSouth DerbyshireLab (minister)no absent
Alan WilliamsSwansea WestLab (minister)no absent
Michael WillsNorth SwindonLab (minister)no absent
Rosie WintertonDoncaster CentralLab (minister)no absent
Iain WrightHartlepoolLab (minister)no absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)both absent
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)absent aye
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)absent aye
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)absent aye
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)absent aye
Colin BurgonElmetLababsent aye
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLababsent aye
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLababsent aye
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLababsent aye
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)absent aye
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Claire Curtis-ThomasCrosbyLababsent aye
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)absent aye
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)absent aye
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)absent aye
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)absent aye
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)absent aye
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)absent aye
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)absent aye
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)absent aye
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)absent aye
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)absent aye
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLababsent aye
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Martin LintonBatterseaLababsent aye
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)absent aye
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)absent aye
Alan MealeMansfieldLababsent aye
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)absent aye
Kali MountfordColne ValleyLab (minister)absent aye
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)absent aye
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)absent aye
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)absent aye
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)absent aye
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)absent aye
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLababsent aye
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)absent aye
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)absent aye
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)absent aye
Betty WilliamsConwyLababsent aye
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)absent aye
Norman BakerLewesLDem (front bench)aye aye
John BarrettEdinburgh WestLDem (front bench)aye aye
Alan BeithBerwick-upon-TweedLDem (front bench)aye aye
Tom BrakeCarshalton and WallingtonLDem (front bench)aye aye
Colin BreedSouth East CornwallLDem (front bench)aye aye
Annette BrookeMid Dorset and North PooleLDem (front bench)aye aye
Jeremy BrowneTauntonLDem (front bench)aye aye
Paul BurstowSutton and CheamLDem (front bench)aye aye
Lorely BurtSolihullLDem (front bench)aye aye
Vincent CableTwickenhamLDem (front bench)aye aye
Tim FarronWestmorland and LonsdaleLDem (front bench)aye aye
Lynne FeatherstoneHornsey and Wood GreenLDem (front bench)aye aye
Andrew GeorgeSt IvesLDem (front bench)aye aye
Evan HarrisOxford West and AbingdonLDem (front bench)aye aye
David HeathSomerton and FromeLDem (front bench)aye aye
John HemmingBirmingham, YardleyLDem (front bench)aye aye
Paul HolmesChesterfieldLDem (front bench)aye aye
Martin HorwoodCheltenhamLDem (front bench)aye aye
David HowarthCambridgeLDem (front bench)aye aye
Simon HughesNorth Southwark and BermondseyLDem (front bench)aye aye
Christopher HuhneEastleighLDem (front bench)aye aye
Mark HunterCheadleLDem (front bench)aye aye
Susan KramerRichmond ParkLDemaye aye
Norman LambNorth NorfolkLDem (front bench)aye aye
David LawsYeovilLDem (front bench)aye aye
John LeechManchester, WithingtonLDem (front bench)aye aye
Michael MooreBerwickshire, Roxburgh and SelkirkLDem (front bench)aye aye
Greg MulhollandLeeds North WestLDem (front bench)aye aye
John PughSouthportLDem (front bench)aye aye
Alan ReidArgyll and ButeLDem (front bench)tellaye aye
Willie RennieDunfermline and West FifeLDem (front bench)aye aye
Dan RogersonNorth CornwallLDem (front bench)tellaye aye
Bob RussellColchesterLDem (front bench)aye aye
Adrian SandersTorbayLDem (front bench)aye aye
Robert SmithWest Aberdeenshire and KincardineLDem (front bench)aye aye
Matthew TaylorTruro and St AustellLDemaye aye
Sarah TeatherBrent EastLDem (front bench)aye aye
Steve WebbNorthavonLDem (front bench)aye aye
Mark WilliamsCeredigionLDem (front bench)aye aye
Stephen WilliamsBristol WestLDem (front bench)aye aye
Phil WillisHarrogate and KnaresboroughLDem (front bench)aye aye
Danny AlexanderInverness, Nairn, Badenoch and StrathspeyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Edward DaveyKingston and SurbitonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Don FosterBathLDem (front bench)aye absent
Julia GoldsworthyFalmouth and CamborneLDem (front bench)aye absent
Nick HarveyNorth DevonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Andrew StunellHazel GroveLDem (front bench)aye absent
John ThursoCaithness, Sutherland and Easter RossLDem (front bench)aye absent
Jennifer WillottCardiff CentralLDem (front bench)aye absent
Richard Younger-RossTeignbridgeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)absent aye
Mark OatenWinchesterLDem (front bench)absent aye
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Elfyn LlwydMeirionnydd Nant ConwyPC (front bench)aye aye
Adam PriceCarmarthen East and DinefwrPC (front bench)aye aye
Hywel WilliamsCaernarfonPC (front bench)aye aye
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)aye absent
John MasonGlasgow EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)aye absent
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)aye absent
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst UKIP (front bench)absent no
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)aye absent

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 66 voted the same way, with 282 voting in opposite ways. There were 65 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 233 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up on opposite sides. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
282
(282 + 66 + 0.2x233)
=
282
394.6
= 0.715 = 71.5 %.


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