Comparison of Divisions: Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat — 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 with Division No. 262 on 10 Jul 2008 at 14:15

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

Vote (b) (unedited): Orders of the Day — Clause 40 — Fixed monetary penalties: procedure - 10 Jul 2008 at 14:15 - Division No. 262

I beg to move amendment No. 10, page 18, line 16, at end insert

'may require the regulator to withdraw the notice and pursue the matter as a criminal offence under the relevant provisions,'.

Question put, That the amendment be made:-

The House divided: Ayes 119, Noes 218.

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Michael AncramDevizesCon (front bench)aye absent
James ArbuthnotNorth East HampshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Tony BaldryBanburyConaye absent
John BaronBillericayCon (front bench)aye absent
Henry BellinghamNorth West NorfolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Crispin BluntReigateCon (front bench)aye absent
Julian BrazierCanterburyCon (front bench)aye absent
David BurrowesEnfield, SouthgateCon (front bench)aye absent
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)aye absent
Douglas CarswellHarwichCon (front bench)aye absent
Bill CashStoneCon (front bench)aye absent
Christopher ChopeChristchurchCon (front bench)aye absent
David CurrySkipton and RiponCon (front bench)aye absent
David DaviesMonmouthCon (front bench)aye absent
Jonathan DjanoglyHuntingdonCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)aye absent
Nadine DorriesMid BedfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Alan DuncanRutland and MeltonCon (front bench)aye absent
David EvennettBexleyheath and CrayfordCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael FabricantLichfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark FieldCities of London and WestminsterCon (front bench)aye absent
Liam FoxWoodspringCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark FrancoisRayleighCon (front bench)aye absent
Christopher FraserSouth West NorfolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Roger GaleNorth ThanetCon (front bench)aye absent
David GaukeSouth West HertfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Dame Cheryl GillanChesham and AmershamCon (front bench)aye absent
Paul GoodmanWycombeCon (front bench)aye absent
Robert GoodwillScarborough and WhitbyCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael GoveSurrey HeathCon (front bench)aye absent
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)aye absent
Damian GreenAshfordCon (front bench)aye absent
Dominic GrieveBeaconsfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
John GummerSuffolk CoastalConaye absent
William HagueRichmond (Yorks)Con (front bench)aye absent
Philip HammondRunnymede and WeybridgeCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen HammondWimbledonCon (front bench)aye absent
Greg HandsHammersmith and FulhamCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark HarperForest of DeanCon (front bench)aye absent
Charles HendryWealdenCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark HobanFarehamCon (front bench)aye absent
Douglas HoggSleaford and North HykehamCon (front bench)aye absent
Adam HollowayGraveshamCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael HowardFolkestone and HytheConaye absent
Gerald HowarthAldershotCon (front bench)aye absent
Jeremy HuntSouth West SurreyCon (front bench)aye absent
Stewart JacksonPeterboroughCon (front bench)aye absent
Bernard JenkinNorth EssexCon (front bench)aye absent
David JonesClwyd WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Daniel KawczynskiShrewsbury and AtchamCon (front bench)aye absent
Robert KeySalisburyCon (front bench)aye absent
Eleanor LaingEpping ForestCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew LansleySouth CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Edward LeighGainsboroughCon (front bench)aye absent
David LidingtonAylesburyCon (front bench)aye absent
David MacleanPenrith and The BorderCon (front bench)aye absent
Anne McIntoshVale of YorkCon (front bench)aye absent
Patrick McLoughlinWest DerbyshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Patrick MercerNewarkCon (front bench)aye absent
Anne MiltonGuildfordCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen O'BrienEddisburyCon (front bench)aye absent
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)aye absent
James PaiceSouth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Mike PenningHemel HempsteadCon (front bench)aye absent
Eric PicklesBrentwood and OngarCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark PritchardThe WrekinCon (front bench)aye absent
John RandallUxbridgeCon (front bench)aye absent
John RedwoodWokinghamConaye absent
Andrew RobathanBlabyCon (front bench)aye absent
Hugh RobertsonFaversham and Mid KentCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark SimmondsBoston and SkegnessCon (front bench)aye absent
Keith SimpsonMid NorfolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Caroline SpelmanMeridenCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard SpringWest SuffolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Anthony SteenTotnesCon (front bench)aye absent
Gary StreeterSouth West DevonCon (front bench)aye absent
Hugo SwireEast DevonConaye absent
Peter TapsellLouth and HorncastleConaye absent
Ian TaylorEsher and WaltonConaye absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichCon (front bench)aye absent
Ed VaizeyWantageCon (front bench)aye absent
Shailesh VaraNorth West CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Nigel WatersonEastbourneCon (front bench)aye absent
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConaye absent
Rob WilsonReading EastCon (front bench)aye absent
Nicholas WintertonMacclesfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
Jeremy WrightRugby and KenilworthCon (front bench)aye absent
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)aye absent
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)absent aye
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)absent aye
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)absent aye
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)absent aye
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)absent aye
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)absent aye
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)absent aye
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)absent aye
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)aye absent
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)aye absent
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)aye absent
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPaye absent
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)aye absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye absent
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye no
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye no
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye no
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye no
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye no
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)aye no
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye no
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye no
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye no
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye no
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye no
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye no
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye no
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye no
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye no
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye no
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye no
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye absent
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye absent
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye absent
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye absent
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye absent
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye absent
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye absent
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye absent
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabaye absent
Bob AinsworthCoventry North EastLab (minister)no absent
Hilary ArmstrongNorth West DurhamLabno absent
Ian AustinDudley NorthLab (minister)no absent
Gordon BanksOchil and South PerthshireLab (minister)no absent
Anne BeggAberdeen SouthLab (minister)no absent
David BlunkettSheffield, BrightsideLabno absent
David BorrowSouth RibbleLab (minister)no absent
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)no absent
Lyn BrownWest HamLabno absent
Russell BrownDumfries and GallowayLab (minister)no absent
Des BrowneKilmarnock and LoudounLabno absent
Chris BryantRhonddaLab (minister)no absent
David CairnsInverclydeLabno absent
Paul ClarkGillinghamLab (minister)no absent
Tom ClarkeCoatbridge, Chryston and BellshillLab (minister)no absent
David ClellandTyne BridgeLab (minister)no absent
Michael ConnartyLinlithgow and East FalkirkLab (minister)no absent
Rosie CooperWest LancashireLab (minister)no absent
David CrausbyBolton North EastLab (minister)no absent
Ann CryerKeighleyLab (minister)no absent
John CummingsEasingtonLab (minister)no absent
Tony CunninghamWorkingtonLab (minister)no absent
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)no absent
Wayne DavidCaerphillyLab (minister)no absent
Ian DavidsonGlasgow South WestLab (minister)no absent
Jim DevineLivingstonLab (minister)no absent
Andrew DismoreHendonLab (minister)no absent
Frank DobsonHolborn and St PancrasLabno absent
Brian H DonohoeCentral AyrshireLab (minister)no absent
Natascha EngelNorth East DerbyshireLabno absent
Barbara FollettStevenageLab (minister)no absent
Michael Jabez FosterHastings and RyeLab (minister)no absent
Hywel FrancisAberavonLab (minister)no absent
John GroganSelbyLab (minister)no absent
David HamiltonMidlothianLab (minister)no absent
Dai HavardMerthyr Tydfil and RhymneyLab (minister)no absent
Mark HendrickPrestonLab (minister)no absent
Stephen HepburnJarrowLab (minister)no absent
Adam IngramEast Kilbride, Strathaven and LesmahagowLabno absent
Kevan JonesNorth DurhamLab (minister)no absent
Tessa JowellDulwich and West NorwoodLab (minister)no absent
Eric JoyceFalkirkLabno absent
Gerald KaufmanManchester, GortonLab (minister)no absent
Sally KeebleNorthampton NorthLab (minister)no absent
David KidneyStaffordLab (minister)no absent
Jim KnightSouth DorsetLab (minister)no absent
Tom LevittHigh PeakLab (minister)no absent
Eric MartlewCarlisleLab (minister)no absent
John McFallWest DunbartonshireLab (minister)no absent
Ann McKechinGlasgow NorthLab (minister)no absent
Rosemary McKennaCumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch EastLab (minister)no absent
Gillian MerronLincolnLab (minister)no absent
Alan MilburnDarlingtonLabno absent
Andrew MillerEllesmere Port and NestonLab (minister)no absent
Margaret MoranLuton SouthLab (minister)no absent
Elliot MorleyScunthorpeLabno absent
George MudieLeeds EastLab (minister)no absent
Denis MurphyWansbeckLab (minister)no absent
Jim MurphyEast RenfrewshireLab (minister)no absent
Ian PearsonDudley SouthLab (minister)no absent
James PlaskittWarwick and LeamingtonLab (minister)no absent
Ken PurchaseWolverhampton North EastLab (minister)no absent
James PurnellStalybridge and HydeLab (minister)no absent
Geoffrey RobinsonCoventry North WestLabno absent
Frank RoyMotherwell and WishawLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLab (minister)no absent
Mohammad SarwarGlasgow CentralLab (minister)no absent
Alison SeabeckPlymouth, DevonportLabno absent
Barry SheermanHuddersfieldLab (minister)no absent
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLab (minister)no absent
John SmithVale of GlamorganLab (minister)no absent
Peter SoulsbyLeicester SouthLab (minister)no absent
Helen SouthworthWarrington SouthLab (minister)no absent
Jack StrawBlackburnLab (minister)no absent
Graham StringerManchester, BlackleyLab (minister)no absent
Mark TamiAlyn and DeesideLab (minister)no absent
Gareth ThomasHarrow WestLab (minister)no absent
Lynda WalthoStourbridgeLab (minister)no absent
Alan WilliamsSwansea WestLab (minister)no absent
Phil WoolasOldham East and SaddleworthLab (minister)no absent
Iain WrightHartlepoolLab (minister)no absent
Derek WyattSittingbourne and SheppeyLab (minister)no absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)both absent
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)absent no
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)absent no
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)absent no
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)absent no
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)absent no
Colin BurgonElmetLababsent no
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)absent no
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLab (minister)absent no
Claire Curtis-ThomasCrosbyLababsent no
Bill EtheringtonSunderland NorthLababsent no
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)absent no
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)absent no
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)absent no
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)absent no
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)absent no
Margaret HodgeBarkingLababsent no
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)absent no
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)absent no
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)absent no
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLababsent no
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)absent no
Martin LintonBatterseaLababsent no
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLababsent no
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)absent no
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)absent no
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLababsent no
Alan MealeMansfieldLababsent no
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)absent no
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)absent no
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)absent no
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)absent no
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)absent no
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)absent no
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)absent no
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLababsent no
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLababsent no
Betty WilliamsConwyLababsent no
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)absent no
John BarrettEdinburgh WestLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alan BeithBerwick-upon-TweedLDem (front bench)aye absent
Colin BreedSouth East CornwallLDem (front bench)aye absent
Annette BrookeMid Dorset and North PooleLDem (front bench)aye absent
Jeremy BrowneTauntonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Vincent CableTwickenhamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Edward DaveyKingston and SurbitonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Tim FarronWestmorland and LonsdaleLDem (front bench)aye absent
Lynne FeatherstoneHornsey and Wood GreenLDem (front bench)aye absent
Andrew GeorgeSt IvesLDem (front bench)aye absent
Evan HarrisOxford West and AbingdonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Martin HorwoodCheltenhamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Simon HughesNorth Southwark and BermondseyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Christopher HuhneEastleighLDem (front bench)aye absent
Susan KramerRichmond ParkLDemaye absent
John LeechManchester, WithingtonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Greg MulhollandLeeds North WestLDem (front bench)aye absent
John PughSouthportLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alan ReidArgyll and ButeLDem (front bench)tellaye absent
Willie RennieDunfermline and West FifeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Dan RogersonNorth CornwallLDem (front bench)tellaye absent
Adrian SandersTorbayLDem (front bench)aye absent
Matthew TaylorTruro and St AustellLDemaye absent
Sarah TeatherBrent EastLDem (front bench)aye absent
Steve WebbNorthavonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Mark WilliamsCeredigionLDem (front bench)aye absent
Phil WillisHarrogate and KnaresboroughLDem (front bench)aye absent
Richard Younger-RossTeignbridgeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)absent aye
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Elfyn LlwydMeirionnydd Nant ConwyPC (front bench)aye absent
Hywel WilliamsCaernarfonPC (front bench)aye absent
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)aye absent
John MasonGlasgow EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)aye absent
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)aye absent
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)aye absent
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)aye absent

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 271 voted the same way, with 17 voting in opposite ways. There were 78 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 280 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
271
(271 + 17 + 0.2x280)
=
271
344
= 0.788 = 78.8 %.


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