Comparison of Divisions: Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat — 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 with Division No. 285 on 22 Oct 2008 at 17:45

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

Vote (b) (unedited): Deferred Divisions — Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill [Lords] - 22 Oct 2008 at 17:45 - Division No. 285

Question accordingly negatived.

It being after Six o'clock, Mr. Speaker then proceeded to put the Questions necessary for the disposal of the business to be concluded at that hour, pursuant to Order [this day].

Amendment proposed: No. 41, page 3, line 26 , at end insert-

'(5A) Regulations made under subsection (5) may not provide for an egg or embryo whose nuclear genetic material has been altered by genetic modification, or whose nucleus has been replaced by the nucleus of a somatic cell, to be a permitted egg or a permitted embryo.

(5B) In this section, "genetic modification" includes the alteration of the nuclear genetic material of an egg or embryo by-

(a) recombinant nucleic acid techniques which change the DNA sequence of nuclear chromosomes of the egg or one or more cells of the embryo, or

(b) the introduction into the egg or into one or more cells of the embryo of a stably-maintained artificial chromosome, virus or plasmid.'.- [Mr. Drew.]

Question put, That the amendment be made:-

The House divided: Ayes 206, Noes 298.

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Peter AtkinsonHexhamCon (front bench)aye no
Gregory BarkerBexhill and BattleCon (front bench)aye no
John BercowBuckinghamwhilst Con (front bench)aye no
Paul BeresfordMole ValleyCon (front bench)aye no
Douglas CarswellHarwichCon (front bench)aye no
Greg ClarkTunbridge WellsCon (front bench)aye no
Geoffrey Clifton-BrownCotswoldCon (front bench)aye no
David CurrySkipton and RiponCon (front bench)aye no
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)aye no
Philip DunneLudlowCon (front bench)aye no
Michael FabricantLichfieldCon (front bench)aye no
Justine GreeningPutneyCon (front bench)aye no
Jeremy HuntSouth West SurreyCon (front bench)aye no
Bernard JenkinNorth EssexCon (front bench)aye no
Robert KeySalisburyCon (front bench)aye no
Eleanor LaingEpping ForestCon (front bench)aye no
Jacqui LaitBeckenhamConaye no
Andrew MacKayBracknellCon (front bench)aye no
Anne McIntoshVale of YorkCon (front bench)aye no
Andrew MitchellSutton ColdfieldCon (front bench)aye no
Richard OttawayCroydon SouthCon (front bench)aye no
John PenroseWeston-Super-MareCon (front bench)aye no
Grant ShappsWelwyn HatfieldCon (front bench)aye no
Anthony SteenTotnesCon (front bench)aye no
Ian TaylorEsher and WaltonConaye no
David TredinnickBosworthConaye no
Andrew TyrieChichesterCon (front bench)aye no
Theresa VilliersChipping BarnetCon (front bench)aye no
George YoungNorth West HampshireCon (front bench)aye no
Adam AfriyieWindsorCon (front bench)aye absent
James ArbuthnotNorth East HampshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard BaconSouth NorfolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Tony BaldryBanburyConaye absent
John BaronBillericayCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter BottomleyWorthing WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Angela BrowningTiverton and HonitonCon (front bench)aye absent
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)aye absent
Alan DuncanRutland and MeltonCon (front bench)aye absent
Tobias EllwoodBournemouth EastCon (front bench)aye absent
Liam FoxWoodspringCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark FrancoisRayleighCon (front bench)aye absent
Christopher FraserSouth West NorfolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Roger GaleNorth ThanetCon (front bench)aye absent
David GaukeSouth West HertfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael GoveSurrey HeathCon (front bench)aye absent
William HagueRichmond (Yorks)Con (front bench)aye absent
Douglas HoggSleaford and North HykehamCon (front bench)aye absent
Julian LewisNew Forest EastCon (front bench)aye absent
Patrick MercerNewarkCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew MurrisonWestburyCon (front bench)aye absent
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)aye absent
James PaiceSouth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Eric PicklesBrentwood and OngarCon (front bench)aye absent
David RuffleyBury St EdmundsCon (front bench)aye absent
Keith SimpsonMid NorfolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Caroline SpelmanMeridenCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael SpicerWest WorcestershireCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard SpringWest SuffolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Gary StreeterSouth West DevonCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter TapsellLouth and HorncastleConaye absent
Ed VaizeyWantageCon (front bench)aye absent
David WillettsHavantCon (front bench)aye absent
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)absent tellaye
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenConabsent aye
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConabsent aye
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)absent aye
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)absent aye
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Robert WalterNorth DorsetConabsent aye
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)absent no
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)absent no
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)absent no
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)absent no
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)absent no
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)absent no
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)aye absent
Ian PaisleyNorth AntrimDUPabsent aye
Iris RobinsonStrangfordDUP (front bench)absent aye
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)aye no
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)aye no
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Clare ShortBirmingham, Ladywoodwhilst Independent Labourabsent no
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye no
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye no
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye no
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye no
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye no
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye no
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye no
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye no
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye no
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye no
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye no
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye no
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye no
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye no
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye no
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye no
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye no
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabaye no
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye absent
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye absent
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye absent
Joe BentonBootleLab (minister)no aye
David BorrowSouth RibbleLab (minister)no aye
Des BrowneKilmarnock and LoudounLabno aye
Colin ChallenMorley and RothwellLab (minister)no aye
Ben ChapmanWirral SouthLab (minister)no aye
Tom ClarkeCoatbridge, Chryston and BellshillLab (minister)no aye
Michael ConnartyLinlithgow and East FalkirkLab (minister)no aye
Rosie CooperWest LancashireLab (minister)no aye
David CrausbyBolton North EastLab (minister)no aye
Mary CreaghWakefieldLab (minister)no aye
John CummingsEasingtonLab (minister)no aye
Jim CunninghamCoventry SouthLabno aye
Tony CunninghamWorkingtonLab (minister)no aye
David DrewStroudLab (minister)no aye
Rob FlelloStoke-on-Trent SouthLabno aye
Michael Jabez FosterHastings and RyeLab (minister)no aye
John GroganSelbyLab (minister)no aye
Andrew GwynneDenton and ReddishLab (minister)no aye
Mark HendrickPrestonLab (minister)no aye
Helen JonesWarrington NorthLab (minister)no aye
Gerald KaufmanManchester, GortonLab (minister)no aye
Ruth KellyBolton WestLabno aye
Sadiq KhanTootingLab (minister)no aye
Thomas McAvoyRutherglen and Hamilton WestLab (minister)no aye
John McFallWest DunbartonshireLab (minister)no aye
Rosemary McKennaCumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch EastLab (minister)no aye
George MudieLeeds EastLab (minister)no aye
Denis MurphyWansbeckLab (minister)no aye
Jim MurphyEast RenfrewshireLab (minister)no aye
Paul MurphyTorfaenLab (minister)no aye
Albert OwenYnys MônLab (minister)no aye
Frank RoyMotherwell and WishawLab (minister)no aye
Chris RuaneVale of ClwydLabno aye
Don TouhigIslwynLab (minister)no aye
Derek TwiggHaltonLab (minister)no aye
Bob AinsworthCoventry North EastLab (minister)no absent
Graham AllenNottingham NorthLabno absent
Vera BairdRedcarLab (minister)no absent
Gordon BanksOchil and South PerthshireLab (minister)no absent
Hugh BayleyCity of YorkLab (minister)no absent
Stuart BellMiddlesbroughLab (minister)no absent
Roberta Blackman-WoodsCity of DurhamLab (minister)no absent
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)no absent
Ann CryerKeighleyLab (minister)no absent
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)no absent
Helen GoodmanBishop AucklandLab (minister)no absent
Harriet HarmanCamberwell and PeckhamLab (minister)no absent
Tom HarrisGlasgow SouthLabno absent
Stephen HesfordWirral WestLab (minister)no absent
Phil HopeCorbyLab (minister)no absent
John HuttonBarrow and FurnessLab (minister)no absent
Brian IddonBolton South EastLab (minister)no absent
Adam IngramEast Kilbride, Strathaven and LesmahagowLabno absent
Tom LevittHigh PeakLab (minister)no absent
Sarah McCarthy-FryPortsmouth NorthLab (minister)no absent
Siobhain McDonaghMitcham and MordenLabno absent
Jim McGovernDundee WestLab (minister)no absent
Madeleine MoonBridgendLab (minister)no absent
Jessica MordenNewport EastLab (minister)no absent
Mike O'BrienNorth WarwickshireLab (minister)no absent
Terry RooneyBradford NorthLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLab (minister)no absent
Christine RussellCity of ChesterLab (minister)no absent
Mohammad SarwarGlasgow CentralLab (minister)no absent
Alison SeabeckPlymouth, DevonportLabno absent
Angela SmithBasildonLabno absent
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLab (minister)no absent
Peter SoulsbyLeicester SouthLab (minister)no absent
Helen SouthworthWarrington SouthLab (minister)no absent
Ian StewartEcclesLab (minister)no absent
Jon TrickettHemsworthLabno absent
Desmond TurnerBrighton, KemptownLab (minister)no absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)both aye
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLababsent aye
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLababsent aye
Jon CruddasDagenhamLababsent aye
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)absent aye
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)absent aye
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)absent aye
Anne McGuireStirlingLababsent aye
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)absent aye
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)absent aye
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)absent aye
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)absent no
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)absent no
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)absent no
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLababsent no
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)absent no
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)absent no
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)absent no
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)absent no
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLababsent no
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)absent no
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)absent no
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)absent no
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)absent no
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)absent no
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)absent no
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)absent no
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)absent no
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLababsent no
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)absent no
Martin LintonBatterseaLababsent no
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLababsent no
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)absent no
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)absent no
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLababsent no
Alan MealeMansfieldLababsent no
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)absent no
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)absent no
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)absent no
Kali MountfordColne ValleyLab (minister)absent no
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)absent no
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLababsent no
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)absent no
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)absent no
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)absent no
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)absent no
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLababsent no
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)absent no
Betty WilliamsConwyLababsent no
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)absent no
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)absent no
Tom BrakeCarshalton and WallingtonLDem (front bench)aye no
Jeremy BrowneTauntonLDem (front bench)aye no
Edward DaveyKingston and SurbitonLDem (front bench)aye no
Lynne FeatherstoneHornsey and Wood GreenLDem (front bench)aye no
Don FosterBathLDem (front bench)aye no
Andrew GeorgeSt IvesLDem (front bench)aye no
Evan HarrisOxford West and AbingdonLDem (front bench)aye no
Nick HarveyNorth DevonLDem (front bench)aye no
Paul HolmesChesterfieldLDem (front bench)aye no
Martin HorwoodCheltenhamLDem (front bench)aye no
Christopher HuhneEastleighLDem (front bench)aye no
Susan KramerRichmond ParkLDemaye no
Norman LambNorth NorfolkLDem (front bench)aye no
David LawsYeovilLDem (front bench)aye no
John LeechManchester, WithingtonLDem (front bench)aye no
Michael MooreBerwickshire, Roxburgh and SelkirkLDem (front bench)aye no
Willie RennieDunfermline and West FifeLDem (front bench)aye no
Adrian SandersTorbayLDem (front bench)aye no
Andrew StunellHazel GroveLDem (front bench)aye no
Matthew TaylorTruro and St AustellLDemaye no
John ThursoCaithness, Sutherland and Easter RossLDem (front bench)aye no
Jennifer WillottCardiff CentralLDem (front bench)aye no
Colin BreedSouth East CornwallLDem (front bench)aye absent
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Paul BurstowSutton and CheamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Tim FarronWestmorland and LonsdaleLDem (front bench)aye absent
Julia GoldsworthyFalmouth and CamborneLDem (front bench)aye absent
David HowarthCambridgeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Simon HughesNorth Southwark and BermondseyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Mark HunterCheadleLDem (front bench)aye absent
Stephen WilliamsBristol WestLDem (front bench)aye absent
Phil WillisHarrogate and KnaresboroughLDem (front bench)aye absent
Richard Younger-RossTeignbridgeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)absent aye
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)absent aye
Charles KennedyRoss, Skye and LochaberLDemabsent aye
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)absent no
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)absent no
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)absent no
Adam PriceCarmarthen East and DinefwrPC (front bench)aye no
Hywel WilliamsCaernarfonPC (front bench)aye no
Elfyn LlwydMeirionnydd Nant ConwyPC (front bench)aye absent
Mark DurkanFoyleSDLP (front bench)absent aye
Eddie McGradySouth DownSDLPabsent aye
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)aye no
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)aye absent
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)absent aye
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst UKIP (front bench)absent no

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 315 voted the same way, with 110 voting in opposite ways. There were 48 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 173 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
315
(315 + 110 + 0.2x173)
=
315
459.6
= 0.685 = 68.5 %.


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