Comparison of Divisions: Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat — 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 with Division No. 288 on 22 Oct 2008 at 18:59

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

Vote (b) : Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill Third Reading - 22 Oct 2008 at 18:59 - Division No. 288

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the Third time.

It has been a long journey to Third Reading, but a shared one, involving two years of scrutiny and discussion.

Question put, That the Bill be now read the Third time:-

The House divided: Ayes 355, Noes 129.

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their inverted vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Adam AfriyieWindsorCon (front bench)aye aye
Peter AtkinsonHexhamCon (front bench)aye aye
Tony BaldryBanburyConaye aye
John BaronBillericayCon (front bench)aye aye
Henry BellinghamNorth West NorfolkCon (front bench)aye aye
John BercowBuckinghamwhilst Con (front bench)aye aye
Paul BeresfordMole ValleyCon (front bench)aye aye
Crispin BluntReigateCon (front bench)aye aye
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)aye aye
Douglas CarswellHarwichCon (front bench)aye aye
Greg ClarkTunbridge WellsCon (front bench)aye aye
Geoffrey Clifton-BrownCotswoldCon (front bench)aye aye
David CurrySkipton and RiponCon (front bench)aye aye
Jonathan DjanoglyHuntingdonCon (front bench)aye aye
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)aye aye
Philip DunneLudlowCon (front bench)aye aye
Michael FabricantLichfieldCon (front bench)aye aye
Edward GarnierHarboroughCon (front bench)aye aye
Justine GreeningPutneyCon (front bench)aye aye
Michael HowardFolkestone and HytheConaye aye
Jeremy HuntSouth West SurreyCon (front bench)aye aye
Bernard JenkinNorth EssexCon (front bench)aye aye
Robert KeySalisburyCon (front bench)aye aye
Jacqui LaitBeckenhamConaye aye
Andrew LansleySouth CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye aye
Oliver LetwinWest DorsetCon (front bench)aye aye
Andrew MacKayBracknellCon (front bench)aye aye
Andrew MitchellSutton ColdfieldCon (front bench)aye aye
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)aye aye
Richard OttawayCroydon SouthCon (front bench)aye aye
John PenroseWeston-Super-MareCon (front bench)aye aye
Mark PriskHertford and StortfordCon (front bench)aye aye
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaConaye aye
Grant ShappsWelwyn HatfieldCon (front bench)aye aye
Mark SimmondsBoston and SkegnessCon (front bench)aye aye
Graham StuartBeverley and HoldernessCon (front bench)aye aye
Ian TaylorEsher and WaltonConaye aye
Andrew TyrieChichesterCon (front bench)aye aye
Shailesh VaraNorth West CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye aye
Theresa VilliersChipping BarnetCon (front bench)aye aye
George YoungNorth West HampshireCon (front bench)aye aye
Peter AinsworthEast SurreyCon (front bench)aye absent
James ArbuthnotNorth East HampshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Gregory BarkerBexhill and BattleCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter BottomleyWorthing WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Angela BrowningTiverton and HonitonCon (front bench)aye absent
Christopher ChopeChristchurchCon (front bench)aye absent
Alan DuncanRutland and MeltonCon (front bench)aye absent
Iain Duncan SmithChingford and Woodford GreenConaye absent
Tobias EllwoodBournemouth EastCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael FallonSevenoaksCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark FieldCities of London and WestminsterCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark FrancoisRayleighCon (front bench)aye absent
Christopher FraserSouth West NorfolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Roger GaleNorth ThanetCon (front bench)aye absent
David GaukeSouth West HertfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Nick GibbBognor Regis and LittlehamptonCon (front bench)aye absent
Robert GoodwillScarborough and WhitbyCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael GoveSurrey HeathCon (front bench)aye absent
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)aye absent
Dominic GrieveBeaconsfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
William HagueRichmond (Yorks)Con (front bench)aye absent
Philip HammondRunnymede and WeybridgeCon (front bench)aye absent
Charles HendryWealdenCon (front bench)aye absent
Nick HerbertArundel and South DownsCon (front bench)aye absent
Douglas HoggSleaford and North HykehamCon (front bench)aye absent
Greg KnightEast YorkshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Eleanor LaingEpping ForestCon (front bench)aye absent
Julian LewisNew Forest EastCon (front bench)aye absent
David LidingtonAylesburyCon (front bench)aye absent
Anne McIntoshVale of YorkCon (front bench)aye absent
Maria MillerBasingstokeCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew MurrisonWestburyCon (front bench)aye absent
James PaiceSouth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Eric PicklesBrentwood and OngarCon (front bench)aye absent
John RedwoodWokinghamConaye absent
David RuffleyBury St EdmundsCon (front bench)aye absent
Keith SimpsonMid NorfolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Nicholas SoamesMid SussexCon (front bench)aye absent
Caroline SpelmanMeridenCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael SpicerWest WorcestershireCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard SpringWest SuffolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Anthony SteenTotnesCon (front bench)aye absent
Gary StreeterSouth West DevonCon (front bench)aye absent
Hugo SwireEast DevonConaye absent
David TredinnickBosworthConaye absent
Ed VaizeyWantageCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter ViggersGosportCon (front bench)aye absent
John WhittingdaleMaldon and East ChelmsfordCon (front bench)aye absent
Bill WigginLeominsterCon (front bench)aye absent
David WillettsHavantCon (front bench)aye absent
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)aye absent
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)absent aye
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)absent aye
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)absent aye
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)absent aye
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)absent aye
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)absent aye
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)absent no
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenConabsent no
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConabsent no
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)absent no
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)absent no
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)absent no
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)absent no
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent no
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)absent no
Robert WalterNorth DorsetConabsent no
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)aye absent
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPaye absent
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Ian PaisleyNorth AntrimDUPabsent no
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)aye aye
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)aye aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)aye absent
Clare ShortBirmingham, Ladywoodwhilst Independent Labourabsent aye
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye aye
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye aye
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye aye
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye aye
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye aye
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye aye
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)aye aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye aye
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye aye
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye aye
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye aye
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye aye
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye aye
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye aye
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye aye
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabaye aye
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye absent
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye absent
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye absent
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye absent
Joe BentonBootleLab (minister)no no
Tom ClarkeCoatbridge, Chryston and BellshillLab (minister)no no
John CummingsEasingtonLab (minister)no no
David DrewStroudLab (minister)no no
Rob FlelloStoke-on-Trent SouthLabno no
Ruth KellyBolton WestLabno no
Rosemary McKennaCumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch EastLab (minister)no no
Denis MurphyWansbeckLab (minister)no no
Albert OwenYnys MônLab (minister)no no
Vera BairdRedcarLab (minister)no absent
Gordon BanksOchil and South PerthshireLab (minister)no absent
Hugh BayleyCity of YorkLab (minister)no absent
Stuart BellMiddlesbroughLab (minister)no absent
Roberta Blackman-WoodsCity of DurhamLab (minister)no absent
Ben ChapmanWirral SouthLab (minister)no absent
David CrausbyBolton North EastLab (minister)no absent
Ann CryerKeighleyLab (minister)no absent
Linda GilroyPlymouth, SuttonLab (minister)no absent
John GroganSelbyLab (minister)no absent
Harriet HarmanCamberwell and PeckhamLab (minister)no absent
Tom HarrisGlasgow SouthLabno absent
Phil HopeCorbyLab (minister)no absent
John HuttonBarrow and FurnessLab (minister)no absent
Brian IddonBolton South EastLab (minister)no absent
Adam IngramEast Kilbride, Strathaven and LesmahagowLabno absent
Gerald KaufmanManchester, GortonLab (minister)no absent
Tom LevittHigh PeakLab (minister)no absent
Sarah McCarthy-FryPortsmouth NorthLab (minister)no absent
Siobhain McDonaghMitcham and MordenLabno absent
John McFallWest DunbartonshireLab (minister)no absent
Jim McGovernDundee WestLab (minister)no absent
Madeleine MoonBridgendLab (minister)no absent
Jessica MordenNewport EastLab (minister)no absent
George MudieLeeds EastLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLab (minister)no absent
Christine RussellCity of ChesterLab (minister)no absent
Mohammad SarwarGlasgow CentralLab (minister)no absent
Alison SeabeckPlymouth, DevonportLabno absent
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLab (minister)no absent
Peter SoulsbyLeicester SouthLab (minister)no absent
Ian StewartEcclesLab (minister)no absent
Desmond TurnerBrighton, KemptownLab (minister)no absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)both no
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)absent aye
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)absent aye
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Colin BurgonElmetLababsent aye
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLababsent aye
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLababsent aye
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)absent aye
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)absent aye
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)absent aye
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLababsent aye
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)absent aye
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)absent aye
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)absent aye
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)absent aye
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)absent aye
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)absent aye
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)absent aye
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)absent aye
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)absent aye
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLababsent aye
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLababsent aye
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Martin LintonBatterseaLababsent aye
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLababsent aye
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)absent aye
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)absent aye
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLababsent aye
Anne McGuireStirlingLababsent aye
Alan MealeMansfieldLababsent aye
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)absent aye
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)absent aye
Kali MountfordColne ValleyLab (minister)absent aye
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLababsent aye
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)absent aye
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)absent aye
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)absent aye
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)absent aye
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)absent aye
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLababsent aye
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)absent aye
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)absent aye
Betty WilliamsConwyLababsent aye
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)absent aye
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)absent no
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)absent no
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)absent no
John BarrettEdinburgh WestLDem (front bench)aye aye
Tom BrakeCarshalton and WallingtonLDem (front bench)aye aye
Jeremy BrowneTauntonLDem (front bench)aye aye
Lorely BurtSolihullLDem (front bench)aye aye
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)aye aye
Edward DaveyKingston and SurbitonLDem (front bench)aye aye
Lynne FeatherstoneHornsey and Wood GreenLDem (front bench)aye aye
Don FosterBathLDem (front bench)aye aye
Andrew GeorgeSt IvesLDem (front bench)aye aye
Evan HarrisOxford West and AbingdonLDem (front bench)aye aye
Nick HarveyNorth DevonLDem (front bench)aye aye
Paul HolmesChesterfieldLDem (front bench)aye aye
Martin HorwoodCheltenhamLDem (front bench)aye aye
David HowarthCambridgeLDem (front bench)aye aye
Simon HughesNorth Southwark and BermondseyLDem (front bench)aye aye
Christopher HuhneEastleighLDem (front bench)aye aye
Susan KramerRichmond ParkLDemaye aye
Norman LambNorth NorfolkLDem (front bench)aye aye
John LeechManchester, WithingtonLDem (front bench)aye aye
Michael MooreBerwickshire, Roxburgh and SelkirkLDem (front bench)aye aye
Willie RennieDunfermline and West FifeLDem (front bench)aye aye
Adrian SandersTorbayLDem (front bench)aye aye
Robert SmithWest Aberdeenshire and KincardineLDem (front bench)aye aye
Matthew TaylorTruro and St AustellLDemaye aye
John ThursoCaithness, Sutherland and Easter RossLDem (front bench)aye aye
Jennifer WillottCardiff CentralLDem (front bench)aye aye
Danny AlexanderInverness, Nairn, Badenoch and StrathspeyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Norman BakerLewesLDem (front bench)aye absent
Colin BreedSouth East CornwallLDem (front bench)aye absent
Annette BrookeMid Dorset and North PooleLDem (front bench)aye absent
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Paul BurstowSutton and CheamLDem (front bench)aye absent
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Tim FarronWestmorland and LonsdaleLDem (front bench)aye absent
Julia GoldsworthyFalmouth and CamborneLDem (front bench)aye absent
David LawsYeovilLDem (front bench)aye absent
Mark WilliamsCeredigionLDem (front bench)aye absent
Stephen WilliamsBristol WestLDem (front bench)aye absent
Phil WillisHarrogate and KnaresboroughLDem (front bench)aye absent
Richard Younger-RossTeignbridgeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)absent aye
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)absent no
Charles KennedyRoss, Skye and LochaberLDemabsent no
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)absent no
Adam PriceCarmarthen East and DinefwrPC (front bench)aye aye
Hywel WilliamsCaernarfonPC (front bench)aye aye
Elfyn LlwydMeirionnydd Nant ConwyPC (front bench)aye absent
Mark DurkanFoyleSDLP (front bench)absent no
Eddie McGradySouth DownSDLPabsent no
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)aye aye
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)aye aye
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)absent no
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)absent no
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst UKIP (front bench)absent aye
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)aye absent

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 102 voted the same way, with 305 voting in opposite ways. There were 50 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 189 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up on opposite sides. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
305
(305 + 102 + 0.2x189)
=
305
444.8
= 0.686 = 68.6 %.


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