Comparison of Divisions: Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat — 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 with Division No. 339 on 26 Nov 2008 at 16:17

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

Vote (b) (unedited): Points of Order — Emergency Debate — Pre-Budget Report - 26 Nov 2008 at 16:17 - Division No. 339

I beg to move,

That this House has considered the matter of the Pre-Budget Report.

Question put, That the Question be now put:-

The House divided: Ayes 67, Noes 422.

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

Sort by: Name | Constituency | Party | Vote (a) | Vote (b)

NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Adam AfriyieWindsorCon (front bench)aye no
Peter AinsworthEast SurreyCon (front bench)aye no
Sir David AmessSouthend WestCon (front bench)aye no
Michael AncramDevizesCon (front bench)aye no
James ArbuthnotNorth East HampshireCon (front bench)aye no
Peter AtkinsonHexhamCon (front bench)aye no
Richard BaconSouth NorfolkCon (front bench)aye no
Tony BaldryBanburyConaye no
Gregory BarkerBexhill and BattleCon (front bench)aye no
Henry BellinghamNorth West NorfolkCon (front bench)aye no
Richard BenyonNewburyCon (front bench)aye no
John BercowBuckinghamwhilst Con (front bench)aye no
Paul BeresfordMole ValleyCon (front bench)aye no
Crispin BluntReigateCon (front bench)aye no
Peter BoneWellingboroughCon (front bench)aye no
Peter BottomleyWorthing WestCon (front bench)aye no
Graham BradyAltrincham and Sale WestCon (front bench)aye no
Julian BrazierCanterburyCon (front bench)aye no
James BrokenshireHornchurchCon (front bench)aye no
Simon BurnsWest ChelmsfordCon (front bench)aye no
Alistair BurtNorth East BedfordshireCon (front bench)aye no
Douglas CarswellHarwichCon (front bench)aye no
Christopher ChopeChristchurchCon (front bench)aye no
Greg ClarkTunbridge WellsCon (front bench)aye no
David CurrySkipton and RiponCon (front bench)aye no
David DaviesMonmouthCon (front bench)aye no
Philip DaviesShipleyConaye no
Jonathan DjanoglyHuntingdonCon (front bench)aye no
Nadine DorriesMid BedfordshireCon (front bench)aye no
Alan DuncanRutland and MeltonCon (front bench)aye no
Iain Duncan SmithChingford and Woodford GreenConaye no
Philip DunneLudlowCon (front bench)aye no
Tobias EllwoodBournemouth EastCon (front bench)aye no
David EvennettBexleyheath and CrayfordCon (front bench)aye no
Michael FabricantLichfieldCon (front bench)aye no
Michael FallonSevenoaksCon (front bench)aye no
Mark FieldCities of London and WestminsterCon (front bench)aye no
Mark FrancoisRayleighCon (front bench)aye no
Christopher FraserSouth West NorfolkCon (front bench)aye no
Roger GaleNorth ThanetCon (front bench)aye no
Edward GarnierHarboroughCon (front bench)aye no
David GaukeSouth West HertfordshireCon (front bench)aye no
Nick GibbBognor Regis and LittlehamptonCon (front bench)aye no
Dame Cheryl GillanChesham and AmershamCon (front bench)aye no
Robert GoodwillScarborough and WhitbyCon (front bench)aye no
Michael GoveSurrey HeathCon (front bench)aye no
Damian GreenAshfordCon (front bench)aye no
Justine GreeningPutneyCon (front bench)aye no
Philip HammondRunnymede and WeybridgeCon (front bench)aye no
Stephen HammondWimbledonCon (front bench)aye no
Greg HandsHammersmith and FulhamCon (front bench)aye no
Mark HarperForest of DeanCon (front bench)aye no
John HayesSouth Holland and The DeepingsCon (front bench)aye no
Charles HendryWealdenCon (front bench)aye no
Nick HerbertArundel and South DownsCon (front bench)aye no
Mark HobanFarehamCon (front bench)aye no
Adam HollowayGraveshamCon (front bench)aye no
Michael HowardFolkestone and HytheConaye no
John HowellHenleyCon (front bench)aye no
Jeremy HuntSouth West SurreyCon (front bench)aye no
Stewart JacksonPeterboroughCon (front bench)aye no
David JonesClwyd WestCon (front bench)aye no
Daniel KawczynskiShrewsbury and AtchamCon (front bench)aye no
Robert KeySalisburyCon (front bench)aye no
Eleanor LaingEpping ForestCon (front bench)aye no
Jacqui LaitBeckenhamConaye no
Edward LeighGainsboroughCon (front bench)aye no
Oliver LetwinWest DorsetCon (front bench)aye no
David LidingtonAylesburyCon (front bench)aye no
Tim LoughtonEast Worthing and ShorehamCon (front bench)aye no
Andrew MacKayBracknellCon (front bench)aye no
Anne MainSt AlbansCon (front bench)aye no
Theresa MayMaidenheadCon (front bench)aye no
Anne McIntoshVale of YorkCon (front bench)aye no
Patrick McLoughlinWest DerbyshireCon (front bench)aye no
Patrick MercerNewarkCon (front bench)aye no
Maria MillerBasingstokeCon (front bench)aye no
Anne MiltonGuildfordCon (front bench)aye no
Andrew MitchellSutton ColdfieldCon (front bench)aye no
Andrew MurrisonWestburyCon (front bench)aye no
Bob NeillBromley and ChislehurstCon (front bench)aye no
Brooks NewmarkBraintreeCon (front bench)aye no
Stephen O'BrienEddisburyCon (front bench)aye no
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)aye no
John PenroseWeston-Super-MareCon (front bench)aye no
Mark PriskHertford and StortfordCon (front bench)aye no
Mark PritchardThe WrekinCon (front bench)aye no
John RandallUxbridgeCon (front bench)aye no
John RedwoodWokinghamConaye no
Andrew RobathanBlabyCon (front bench)aye no
Hugh RobertsonFaversham and Mid KentCon (front bench)aye no
Laurence RobertsonTewkesburyCon (front bench)aye no
Andrew RosindellRomfordCon (front bench)aye no
David RuffleyBury St EdmundsCon (front bench)aye no
Lee ScottIlford NorthCon (front bench)aye no
Andrew SelousSouth West BedfordshireCon (front bench)aye no
Grant ShappsWelwyn HatfieldCon (front bench)aye no
Mark SimmondsBoston and SkegnessCon (front bench)aye no
Keith SimpsonMid NorfolkCon (front bench)aye no
Nicholas SoamesMid SussexCon (front bench)aye no
Caroline SpelmanMeridenCon (front bench)aye no
Michael SpicerWest WorcestershireCon (front bench)aye no
Richard SpringWest SuffolkCon (front bench)aye no
Anthony SteenTotnesCon (front bench)aye no
Gary StreeterSouth West DevonCon (front bench)aye no
Desmond SwayneNew Forest WestCon (front bench)aye no
Hugo SwireEast DevonConaye no
Robert SymsPooleCon (front bench)aye no
Peter TapsellLouth and HorncastleConaye no
Ian TaylorEsher and WaltonConaye no
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichCon (front bench)aye no
David TredinnickBosworthConaye no
Andrew TurnerIsle of WightCon (front bench)aye no
Andrew TyrieChichesterCon (front bench)aye no
Ed VaizeyWantageCon (front bench)aye no
Peter ViggersGosportCon (front bench)aye no
Theresa VilliersChipping BarnetCon (front bench)aye no
Charles WalkerBroxbourneCon (front bench)aye no
Ben WallaceLancaster and WyreCon (front bench)aye no
Angela WatkinsonUpminsterCon (front bench)aye no
John WhittingdaleMaldon and East ChelmsfordCon (front bench)aye no
Bill WigginLeominsterCon (front bench)aye no
David WillettsHavantCon (front bench)aye no
Rob WilsonReading EastCon (front bench)aye no
Ann WintertonCongletonCon (front bench)aye no
Nicholas WintertonMacclesfieldCon (front bench)aye no
Jeremy WrightRugby and KenilworthCon (front bench)aye no
George YoungNorth West HampshireCon (front bench)aye no
Graham StuartBeverley and HoldernessCon (front bench)aye both
John BaronBillericayCon (front bench)aye absent
Angela BrowningTiverton and HonitonCon (front bench)aye absent
David BurrowesEnfield, SouthgateCon (front bench)aye absent
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)aye absent
Bill CashStoneCon (front bench)aye absent
Geoffrey Clifton-BrownCotswoldCon (front bench)aye absent
Patrick CormackSouth StaffordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Geoffrey CoxTorridge and West DevonCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen CrabbPreseli PembrokeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)aye absent
James DuddridgeRochford and Southend EastCon (front bench)aye absent
Liam FoxWoodspringCon (front bench)aye absent
Paul GoodmanWycombeCon (front bench)aye absent
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)aye absent
Dominic GrieveBeaconsfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
John GummerSuffolk CoastalConaye absent
William HagueRichmond (Yorks)Con (front bench)aye absent
Douglas HoggSleaford and North HykehamCon (front bench)aye absent
Philip HolloboneKetteringCon (front bench)aye absent
Gerald HowarthAldershotCon (front bench)aye absent
Nick HurdRuislip - NorthwoodCon (front bench)aye absent
Bernard JenkinNorth EssexCon (front bench)aye absent
Greg KnightEast YorkshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark LancasterNorth East Milton KeynesCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew LansleySouth CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Julian LewisNew Forest EastCon (front bench)aye absent
Ian Liddell-GraingerBridgwaterCon (front bench)aye absent
David MacleanPenrith and The BorderCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard OttawayCroydon SouthCon (front bench)aye absent
James PaiceSouth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Mike PenningHemel HempsteadCon (front bench)aye absent
Eric PicklesBrentwood and OngarCon (front bench)aye absent
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaConaye absent
Richard ShepherdAldridge-BrownhillsCon (front bench)aye absent
Shailesh VaraNorth West CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Nigel WatersonEastbourneCon (front bench)aye absent
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConaye absent
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)absent no
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)absent no
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)absent no
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)absent no
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)absent no
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenConabsent no
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)absent no
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)absent no
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)absent no
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)absent no
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)absent no
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)absent no
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)absent no
Michael MatesEast HampshireCon (front bench)absent no
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)absent no
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent no
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)absent no
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)absent no
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)absent no
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)absent no
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)aye absent
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)aye absent
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPaye absent
David SimpsonUpper BannDUP (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)aye no
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye no
Derek ConwayOld Bexley and Sidcupwhilst Independent (front bench)absent no
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye no
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye no
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)aye no
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye no
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)aye no
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye no
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye no
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye no
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye no
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye no
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye no
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye no
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye no
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye no
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye no
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye no
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye no
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye no
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye no
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabaye no
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye absent
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye absent
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye absent
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye absent
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye absent
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye absent
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye absent
Hilary ArmstrongNorth West DurhamLabno absent
Vera BairdRedcarLab (minister)no absent
Edward BallsNormantonLab (minister)no absent
Joe BentonBootleLab (minister)no absent
Roger BerryKingswoodLab (minister)no absent
Hazel BlearsSalfordLab (minister)no absent
Ben BradshawExeterLab (minister)no absent
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)no absent
Lyn BrownWest HamLabno absent
Alan CampbellTynemouthLab (minister)no absent
Ann CryerKeighleyLab (minister)no absent
Andrew DismoreHendonLab (minister)no absent
David DrewStroudLab (minister)no absent
Natascha EngelNorth East DerbyshireLabno absent
Michael FosterWorcesterLab (minister)no absent
Linda GilroyPlymouth, SuttonLab (minister)no absent
Peter HainNeathLabno absent
George HowarthKnowsley North and Sefton EastLab (minister)no absent
Gerald KaufmanManchester, GortonLab (minister)no absent
Sally KeebleNorthampton NorthLab (minister)no absent
Ann KeenBrentford and IsleworthLab (minister)no absent
Jane KennedyLiverpool, WavertreeLab (minister)no absent
David LammyTottenhamLab (minister)no absent
Fiona MactaggartSloughLab (minister)no absent
Eric MartlewCarlisleLab (minister)no absent
Rosemary McKennaCumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch EastLab (minister)no absent
Alun MichaelCardiff South and PenarthLab (minister)no absent
Jessica MordenNewport EastLab (minister)no absent
Meg MunnSheffield, HeeleyLabno absent
Denis MurphyWansbeckLab (minister)no absent
Albert OwenYnys MônLab (minister)no absent
Terry RooneyBradford NorthLab (minister)no absent
Joan RuddockLewisham, DeptfordLab (minister)no absent
Mohammad SarwarGlasgow CentralLab (minister)no absent
Alison SeabeckPlymouth, DevonportLabno absent
Andrew SlaughterEaling, Acton and Shepherd's BushLab (minister)no absent
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLab (minister)no absent
Jacqui SmithRedditchLab (minister)no absent
John SmithVale of GlamorganLab (minister)no absent
Ian StewartEcclesLab (minister)no absent
Graham StringerManchester, BlackleyLab (minister)no absent
Gerry SutcliffeBradford SouthLab (minister)no absent
Gareth ThomasHarrow WestLab (minister)no absent
Jon TrickettHemsworthLabno absent
Desmond TurnerBrighton, KemptownLab (minister)no absent
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLab (minister)no absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)both no
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)absent no
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)absent no
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)absent no
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)absent no
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)absent no
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)absent no
Colin BurgonElmetLababsent no
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLababsent no
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLababsent no
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)absent no
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)absent no
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLab (minister)absent no
Jon CruddasDagenhamLababsent no
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)absent no
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)absent no
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLababsent no
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)absent no
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)absent no
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)absent no
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)absent no
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)absent no
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)absent no
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)absent no
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)absent no
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)absent no
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)absent no
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLababsent no
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLababsent no
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)absent no
Martin LintonBatterseaLababsent no
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLababsent no
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)absent no
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)absent no
Anne McGuireStirlingLababsent no
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)absent no
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)absent no
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)absent no
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)absent no
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)absent no
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)absent no
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)absent no
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)absent no
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLababsent no
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)absent no
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)absent no
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLababsent no
Betty WilliamsConwyLababsent no
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)absent no
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)absent no
Alan BeithBerwick-upon-TweedLDem (front bench)aye absent
Tom BrakeCarshalton and WallingtonLDem (front bench)aye absent
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Andrew GeorgeSt IvesLDem (front bench)aye absent
Norman LambNorth NorfolkLDem (front bench)aye absent
John PughSouthportLDem (front bench)aye absent
Dan RogersonNorth CornwallLDem (front bench)tellaye absent
Matthew TaylorTruro and St AustellLDemaye absent
Richard Younger-RossTeignbridgeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)absent aye
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)absent aye
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)absent tellaye
Elfyn LlwydMeirionnydd Nant ConwyPC (front bench)aye absent
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)aye absent
Mark DurkanFoyleSDLP (front bench)absent no
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)aye absent
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)absent aye
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)absent aye
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)aye absent

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 257 voted the same way, with 150 voting in opposite ways. There were 47 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 192 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
257
(257 + 150 + 0.2x192)
=
257
445.4
= 0.577 = 57.7 %.


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