Comparison of Divisions: Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat — 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 with Division No. 107 on 30 Apr 2009 at 17:00

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

Vote (b) : MPs' expenses — Staff to continue to be employed by MPs — rejected - 30 Apr 2009 at 17:00 - Division No. 107

The majority of MPs voted against changing the words of the motion (which was passed in the next division[1]):

  • In the opinion of this House, staff who work for an hon. Member should be employed by the House, as a personal appointment and managed by the hon. Member; and
  • The House of Commons Commission shall consider this decision and make 5 recommendations for its implementation, including any transitional provisions.

... by deleting the first paragraph.[2]

This would mean that, as there would have been no opinion made, the House of Commons Commission would not be bound by this decision and could consider all the options without limitation.[3]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Adam AfriyieWindsorCon (front bench)aye no
Richard BaconSouth NorfolkCon (front bench)aye no
Gregory BarkerBexhill and BattleCon (front bench)aye no
John BaronBillericayCon (front bench)aye no
John BercowBuckinghamwhilst Con (front bench)aye no
Crispin BluntReigateCon (front bench)aye no
Julian BrazierCanterburyCon (front bench)aye no
James BrokenshireHornchurchCon (front bench)aye no
Simon BurnsWest ChelmsfordCon (front bench)aye no
Alistair BurtNorth East BedfordshireCon (front bench)aye no
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)aye no
Greg ClarkTunbridge WellsCon (front bench)aye no
Stephen CrabbPreseli PembrokeshireCon (front bench)aye no
James DuddridgeRochford and Southend EastCon (front bench)aye no
Alan DuncanRutland and MeltonCon (front bench)aye no
Tobias EllwoodBournemouth EastCon (front bench)aye no
Michael FabricantLichfieldCon (front bench)aye no
Mark FrancoisRayleighCon (front bench)aye no
Michael GoveSurrey HeathCon (front bench)aye no
Justine GreeningPutneyCon (front bench)aye no
Dominic GrieveBeaconsfieldCon (front bench)aye no
Philip HammondRunnymede and WeybridgeCon (front bench)aye no
Charles HendryWealdenCon (front bench)aye no
Nick HerbertArundel and South DownsCon (front bench)aye no
Mark HobanFarehamCon (front bench)aye no
Philip HolloboneKetteringCon (front bench)aye no
Nick HurdRuislip - NorthwoodCon (front bench)aye no
Daniel KawczynskiShrewsbury and AtchamCon (front bench)aye no
Eleanor LaingEpping ForestCon (front bench)aye no
Mark LancasterNorth East Milton KeynesCon (front bench)aye no
Edward LeighGainsboroughCon (front bench)aye no
Oliver LetwinWest DorsetCon (front bench)aye no
Julian LewisNew Forest EastCon (front bench)aye no
Andrew MacKayBracknellCon (front bench)aye no
Theresa MayMaidenheadCon (front bench)aye no
Patrick McLoughlinWest DerbyshireCon (front bench)aye no
Anne MiltonGuildfordCon (front bench)aye no
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)aye no
Mike PenningHemel HempsteadCon (front bench)aye no
John RandallUxbridgeCon (front bench)aye no
Andrew RobathanBlabyCon (front bench)aye no
Hugh RobertsonFaversham and Mid KentCon (front bench)aye no
Andrew RosindellRomfordCon (front bench)aye no
Lee ScottIlford NorthCon (front bench)aye no
Andrew SelousSouth West BedfordshireCon (front bench)aye no
Desmond SwayneNew Forest WestCon (front bench)aye no
Ian TaylorEsher and WaltonConaye no
Shailesh VaraNorth West CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye no
Angela WatkinsonUpminsterCon (front bench)aye no
Bill WigginLeominsterCon (front bench)aye no
David WillettsHavantCon (front bench)aye no
Rob WilsonReading EastCon (front bench)aye no
Jeremy WrightRugby and KenilworthCon (front bench)aye no
Peter AinsworthEast SurreyCon (front bench)aye absent
Sir David AmessSouthend WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael AncramDevizesCon (front bench)aye absent
James ArbuthnotNorth East HampshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter AtkinsonHexhamCon (front bench)aye absent
Tony BaldryBanburyConaye absent
Henry BellinghamNorth West NorfolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard BenyonNewburyCon (front bench)aye absent
Paul BeresfordMole ValleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Graham BradyAltrincham and Sale WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Angela BrowningTiverton and HonitonCon (front bench)aye absent
David BurrowesEnfield, SouthgateCon (front bench)aye absent
Douglas CarswellHarwichCon (front bench)aye absent
Bill CashStoneCon (front bench)aye absent
Geoffrey Clifton-BrownCotswoldCon (front bench)aye absent
Geoffrey CoxTorridge and West DevonCon (front bench)aye absent
David DaviesMonmouthCon (front bench)aye absent
Philip DaviesShipleyConaye absent
Jonathan DjanoglyHuntingdonCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)aye absent
Nadine DorriesMid BedfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Iain Duncan SmithChingford and Woodford GreenConaye absent
Philip DunneLudlowCon (front bench)aye absent
David EvennettBexleyheath and CrayfordCon (front bench)aye absent
Liam FoxWoodspringCon (front bench)aye absent
Christopher FraserSouth West NorfolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Roger GaleNorth ThanetCon (front bench)aye absent
Edward GarnierHarboroughCon (front bench)aye absent
David GaukeSouth West HertfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Nick GibbBognor Regis and LittlehamptonCon (front bench)aye absent
Dame Cheryl GillanChesham and AmershamCon (front bench)aye absent
Paul GoodmanWycombeCon (front bench)aye absent
Robert GoodwillScarborough and WhitbyCon (front bench)aye absent
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)aye absent
Damian GreenAshfordCon (front bench)aye absent
William HagueRichmond (Yorks)Con (front bench)aye absent
Stephen HammondWimbledonCon (front bench)aye absent
Greg HandsHammersmith and FulhamCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark HarperForest of DeanCon (front bench)aye absent
John HayesSouth Holland and The DeepingsCon (front bench)aye absent
Adam HollowayGraveshamCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael HowardFolkestone and HytheConaye absent
Gerald HowarthAldershotCon (front bench)aye absent
John HowellHenleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Jeremy HuntSouth West SurreyCon (front bench)aye absent
Stewart JacksonPeterboroughCon (front bench)aye absent
David JonesClwyd WestCon (front bench)aye absent
Robert KeySalisburyCon (front bench)aye absent
Greg KnightEast YorkshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew LansleySouth CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Ian Liddell-GraingerBridgwaterCon (front bench)aye absent
David LidingtonAylesburyCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter LilleyHitchin and HarpendenConaye absent
Tim LoughtonEast Worthing and ShorehamCon (front bench)aye absent
David MacleanPenrith and The BorderCon (front bench)aye absent
Anne McIntoshVale of YorkCon (front bench)aye absent
Patrick MercerNewarkCon (front bench)aye absent
Maria MillerBasingstokeCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew MitchellSutton ColdfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew MurrisonWestburyCon (front bench)aye absent
Bob NeillBromley and ChislehurstCon (front bench)aye absent
Brooks NewmarkBraintreeCon (front bench)aye absent
Stephen O'BrienEddisburyCon (front bench)aye absent
James PaiceSouth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
John PenroseWeston-Super-MareCon (front bench)aye absent
Eric PicklesBrentwood and OngarCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark PriskHertford and StortfordCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark PritchardThe WrekinCon (front bench)aye absent
John RedwoodWokinghamConaye absent
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaConaye absent
Laurence RobertsonTewkesburyCon (front bench)aye absent
David RuffleyBury St EdmundsCon (front bench)aye absent
Grant ShappsWelwyn HatfieldCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard ShepherdAldridge-BrownhillsCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark SimmondsBoston and SkegnessCon (front bench)aye absent
Keith SimpsonMid NorfolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Caroline SpelmanMeridenCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael SpicerWest WorcestershireCon (front bench)aye absent
Richard SpringWest SuffolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Gary StreeterSouth West DevonCon (front bench)aye absent
Graham StuartBeverley and HoldernessCon (front bench)aye absent
Hugo SwireEast DevonConaye absent
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichCon (front bench)aye absent
David TredinnickBosworthConaye absent
Andrew TurnerIsle of WightCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew TyrieChichesterCon (front bench)aye absent
Ed VaizeyWantageCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter ViggersGosportCon (front bench)aye absent
Theresa VilliersChipping BarnetCon (front bench)aye absent
Charles WalkerBroxbourneCon (front bench)aye absent
Ben WallaceLancaster and WyreCon (front bench)aye absent
Nigel WatersonEastbourneCon (front bench)aye absent
John WhittingdaleMaldon and East ChelmsfordCon (front bench)aye absent
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)absent aye
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)absent no
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)absent no
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)aye no
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)aye no
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPaye no
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)aye no
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)aye absent
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)aye absent
David SimpsonUpper BannDUP (front bench)absent no
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentaye no
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)aye both
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye no
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye no
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye no
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye no
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye no
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye no
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye no
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye no
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye no
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye no
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye no
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye no
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye no
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabaye no
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye absent
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye absent
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye absent
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye absent
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabaye absent
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye absent
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye absent
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye absent
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye absent
Nick AingerCarmarthen West and South PembrokeshireLab (minister)no aye
Clive BettsSheffield, AttercliffeLab (minister)no aye
Fiona MactaggartSloughLab (minister)no aye
Jim McGovernDundee WestLab (minister)no aye
Meg MunnSheffield, HeeleyLabno aye
Gordon PrenticePendleLab (minister)no aye
Barry SheermanHuddersfieldLab (minister)no aye
Hilary ArmstrongNorth West DurhamLabno absent
Vera BairdRedcarLab (minister)no absent
Kevin BarronRother ValleyLab (minister)no absent
Anne BeggAberdeen SouthLab (minister)no absent
Joe BentonBootleLab (minister)no absent
David BorrowSouth RibbleLab (minister)no absent
David CairnsInverclydeLabno absent
Colin ChallenMorley and RothwellLab (minister)no absent
Ben ChapmanWirral SouthLab (minister)no absent
David ChaytorBury NorthLab (minister)no absent
Ann ClwydCynon ValleyLab (minister)no absent
Michael ConnartyLinlithgow and East FalkirkLab (minister)no absent
David CrausbyBolton North EastLab (minister)no absent
Jim DevineLivingstonLab (minister)no absent
Parmjit DhandaGloucesterLabno absent
Natascha EngelNorth East DerbyshireLabno absent
Hywel FrancisAberavonLab (minister)no absent
Nigel GriffithsEdinburgh SouthLab (minister)no absent
Peter HainNeathLabno absent
Tom HarrisGlasgow SouthLabno absent
Stephen HepburnJarrowLab (minister)no absent
Stephen HesfordWirral WestLab (minister)no absent
George HowarthKnowsley North and Sefton EastLab (minister)no absent
John HuttonBarrow and FurnessLab (minister)no absent
Brian IddonBolton South EastLab (minister)no absent
Gerald KaufmanManchester, GortonLab (minister)no absent
Fraser KempHoughton and Washington EastLabno absent
Bob LaxtonDerby NorthLab (minister)no absent
David LepperBrighton, PavilionLab (minister)no absent
Eric MartlewCarlisleLab (minister)no absent
Ian McCartneyMakerfieldLabno absent
Rosemary McKennaCumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch EastLab (minister)no absent
Alan MilburnDarlingtonLabno absent
Madeleine MoonBridgendLab (minister)no absent
Margaret MoranLuton SouthLab (minister)no absent
George MudieLeeds EastLab (minister)no absent
Chris MullinSunderland SouthLab (minister)no absent
Denis MurphyWansbeckLab (minister)no absent
James PlaskittWarwick and LeamingtonLab (minister)no absent
Dawn PrimaroloBristol SouthLab (minister)no absent
Gwyn ProsserDoverLab (minister)no absent
Terry RooneyBradford NorthLab (minister)no absent
Chris RuaneVale of ClwydLabno absent
Christine RussellCity of ChesterLab (minister)no absent
Mohammad SarwarGlasgow CentralLab (minister)no absent
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLab (minister)no absent
Jim SheridanPaisley and Renfrewshire NorthLab (minister)no absent
Angela SmithSheffield, HillsboroughLab (minister)no absent
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLab (minister)no absent
Helen SouthworthWarrington SouthLab (minister)no absent
Graham StringerManchester, BlackleyLab (minister)no absent
Mark ToddSouth DerbyshireLab (minister)no absent
Desmond TurnerBrighton, KemptownLab (minister)no absent
Lynda WalthoStourbridgeLab (minister)no absent
Michael WillsNorth SwindonLab (minister)no absent
David WinnickWalsall NorthLab (minister)no absent
Tony WrightCannock ChaseLab (minister)no absent
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)both aye
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLab (minister)absent aye
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)absent aye
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)absent no
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)absent no
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)absent no
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLababsent no
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)absent no
Frank CookStockton NorthLab (minister)absent no
Jon CruddasDagenhamLababsent no
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)absent no
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)absent no
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)absent no
Margaret HodgeBarkingLababsent no
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)absent no
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLababsent no
Martin LintonBatterseaLababsent no
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)absent no
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)absent no
David MilibandSouth ShieldsLab (minister)absent no
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)absent no
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)absent no
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)absent no
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)absent no
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)absent no
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLababsent no
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)absent no
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)absent no
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)absent no
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)absent no
Norman BakerLewesLDem (front bench)aye absent
Andrew GeorgeSt IvesLDem (front bench)aye absent
John HemmingBirmingham, YardleyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Willie RennieDunfermline and West FifeLDem (front bench)aye absent
Dan RogersonNorth CornwallLDem (front bench)tellaye absent
John ThursoCaithness, Sutherland and Easter RossLDem (front bench)aye absent
Jennifer WillottCardiff CentralLDem (front bench)aye absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)absent aye
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)absent aye
Mark OatenWinchesterLDem (front bench)absent aye
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)absent aye
Elfyn LlwydMeirionnydd Nant ConwyPC (front bench)aye absent
Hywel WilliamsCaernarfonPC (front bench)aye absent
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)aye absent
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)absent aye
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)aye no

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 261 voted the same way, with 80 voting in opposite ways. There were 89 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 216 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
261
(261 + 80 + 0.2x216)
=
261
384.2
= 0.679 = 67.9 %.


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