Comparison of Divisions: MPs' expenses — Staff to be employees of Parliament — 30 Apr 2009 at 17:00 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) : MPs' expenses — Staff to be employees of Parliament - 30 Apr 2009 at 17:00 - Division No. 108

The majority of MPs voted for the motion, which read:[1]

  • In the opinion of this House, staff who work for an hon. Member should be employed by the House, as a personal appointment and managed by the hon. Member; and
  • The House of Commons Commission shall consider this decision and make 5 recommendations for its implementation, including any transitional provisions.

This would mean that instead of the MPs receiving an allowance with which they could employ assistants and staff, the employment contracts would be between the staff and Parliament directly, who would pay their wages directly and set standard terms and conditions.

Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by constituency

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their inverted vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Hywel FrancisAberavonLab (minister)absent no
Anne BeggAberdeen SouthLab (minister)absent no
Gerald HowarthAldershotCon (front bench)absent aye
Graham BradyAltrincham and Sale WestCon (front bench)absent aye
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)aye absent
Nick HerbertArundel and South DownsCon (front bench)aye aye
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)aye absent
Damian GreenAshfordCon (front bench)absent aye
David LidingtonAylesburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Tony BaldryBanburyConabsent aye
Margaret HodgeBarkingLabaye absent
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)aye absent
John HuttonBarrow and FurnessLab (minister)absent no
Maria MillerBasingstokeCon (front bench)absent aye
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)aye absent
Martin LintonBatterseaLabaye absent
Dominic GrieveBeaconsfieldCon (front bench)aye aye
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)aye absent
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPabsent aye
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)aye aye
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)absent aye
Graham StuartBeverley and HoldernessCon (front bench)absent aye
Gregory BarkerBexhill and BattleCon (front bench)aye aye
David EvennettBexleyheath and CrayfordCon (front bench)absent aye
John BaronBillericayCon (front bench)aye aye
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)aye absent
John HemmingBirmingham, YardleyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Andrew RobathanBlabyCon (front bench)aye aye
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye aye
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentaye aye
Nick GibbBognor Regis and LittlehamptonCon (front bench)absent aye
David CrausbyBolton North EastLab (minister)absent no
Brian IddonBolton South EastLab (minister)absent no
Joe BentonBootleLab (minister)absent no
Mark SimmondsBoston and SkegnessCon (front bench)absent aye
David TredinnickBosworthConabsent aye
Tobias EllwoodBournemouth EastCon (front bench)aye aye
Andrew MacKayBracknellCon (front bench)aye aye
Terry RooneyBradford NorthLab (minister)absent no
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)aye absent
Brooks NewmarkBraintreeCon (front bench)absent aye
Eric PicklesBrentwood and OngarCon (front bench)absent aye
Madeleine MoonBridgendLab (minister)absent no
Ian Liddell-GraingerBridgwaterCon (front bench)absent aye
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye aye
Desmond TurnerBrighton, KemptownLab (minister)absent no
David LepperBrighton, PavilionLab (minister)no no
Dawn PrimaroloBristol SouthLab (minister)absent no
Bob NeillBromley and ChislehurstCon (front bench)absent aye
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)aye absent
Charles WalkerBroxbourneCon (front bench)absent aye
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)absent aye
John BercowBuckinghamwhilst Con (front bench)aye aye
David ChaytorBury NorthLab (minister)absent no
David RuffleyBury St EdmundsCon (front bench)absent aye
Hywel WilliamsCaernarfonPC (front bench)absent aye
John ThursoCaithness, Sutherland and Easter RossLDem (front bench)absent aye
David HowarthCambridgeLDem (front bench)aye aye
Tony WrightCannock ChaseLab (minister)absent no
Julian BrazierCanterburyCon (front bench)aye aye
Jennifer WillottCardiff CentralLDem (front bench)absent aye
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Eric MartlewCarlisleLab (minister)absent no
Nick AingerCarmarthen West and South PembrokeshireLab (minister)no no
Tom BrakeCarshalton and WallingtonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)aye aye
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)absent aye
Dame Cheryl GillanChesham and AmershamCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew TyrieChichesterCon (front bench)absent aye
Iain Duncan SmithChingford and Woodford GreenConabsent aye
Theresa VilliersChipping BarnetCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark FieldCities of London and WestminsterCon (front bench)aye aye
Christine RussellCity of ChesterLab (minister)absent no
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye aye
David JonesClwyd WestCon (front bench)absent aye
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)aye absent
Geoffrey Clifton-BrownCotswoldCon (front bench)absent aye
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichCon (front bench)absent aye
Rosemary McKennaCumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch EastLab (minister)absent no
Ann ClwydCynon ValleyLab (minister)absent no
Jon CruddasDagenhamLabaye absent
Alan MilburnDarlingtonLababsent no
Bob LaxtonDerby NorthLab (minister)absent no
Michael AncramDevizesCon (front bench)absent aye
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Gwyn ProsserDoverLab (minister)absent no
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)no absent
Jim McGovernDundee WestLab (minister)no no
Willie RennieDunfermline and West FifeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLab (minister)absent no
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)aye aye
Hugo SwireEast DevonConabsent aye
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)absent aye
Peter AinsworthEast SurreyCon (front bench)absent aye
Tim LoughtonEast Worthing and ShorehamCon (front bench)absent aye
Greg KnightEast YorkshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Nigel WatersonEastbourneCon (front bench)absent aye
Stephen O'BrienEddisburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Nigel GriffithsEdinburgh SouthLab (minister)absent no
David BurrowesEnfield, SouthgateCon (front bench)absent aye
Eleanor LaingEpping ForestCon (front bench)aye aye
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark HobanFarehamCon (front bench)aye aye
Hugh RobertsonFaversham and Mid KentCon (front bench)aye aye
Mark HarperForest of DeanCon (front bench)absent aye
Edward LeighGainsboroughCon (front bench)aye aye
Mohammad SarwarGlasgow CentralLab (minister)absent no
Tom HarrisGlasgow SouthLababsent no
Parmjit DhandaGloucesterLababsent no
Peter ViggersGosportCon (front bench)absent aye
Adam HollowayGraveshamCon (front bench)absent aye
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)aye absent
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLababsent aye
Anne MiltonGuildfordCon (front bench)aye aye
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLababsent aye
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)absent aye
Greg HandsHammersmith and FulhamCon (front bench)absent aye
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLababsent aye
Edward GarnierHarboroughCon (front bench)absent aye
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)aye absent
Douglas CarswellHarwichCon (front bench)absent aye
David WillettsHavantCon (front bench)aye aye
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLababsent aye
Mike PenningHemel HempsteadCon (front bench)aye aye
Andrew DismoreHendonLab (minister)tellno no
John HowellHenleyCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark PriskHertford and StortfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter AtkinsonHexhamCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter LilleyHitchin and HarpendenConabsent aye
James BrokenshireHornchurchCon (front bench)aye aye
Lynne FeatherstoneHornsey and Wood GreenLDem (front bench)aye aye
Fraser KempHoughton and Washington EastLababsent no
Barry SheermanHuddersfieldLab (minister)absent no
Jonathan DjanoglyHuntingdonCon (front bench)absent aye
Lee ScottIlford NorthCon (front bench)aye aye
David CairnsInverclydeLabno no
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLababsent aye
Stephen HepburnJarrowLab (minister)absent no
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaConabsent aye
Philip HolloboneKetteringCon (front bench)aye aye
George HowarthKnowsley North and Sefton EastLab (minister)absent no
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)absent aye
Ben WallaceLancaster and WyreCon (front bench)absent aye
George MudieLeeds EastLab (minister)absent no
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)aye absent
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)absent aye
Bill WigginLeominsterCon (front bench)aye aye
Norman BakerLewesLDem (front bench)absent aye
Jim DowdLewisham WestLab (minister)no no
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)aye aye
Michael FabricantLichfieldCon (front bench)aye aye
Michael ConnartyLinlithgow and East FalkirkLab (minister)absent no
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye aye
Jim DevineLivingstonLab (minister)absent no
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye aye
Philip DunneLudlowCon (front bench)absent aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Margaret MoranLuton SouthLab (minister)absent no
Theresa MayMaidenheadCon (front bench)aye aye
Ian McCartneyMakerfieldLababsent no
John WhittingdaleMaldon and East ChelmsfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Graham StringerManchester, BlackleyLab (minister)absent no
Gerald KaufmanManchester, GortonLab (minister)absent no
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLababsent aye
Elfyn LlwydMeirionnydd Nant ConwyPC (front bench)absent aye
Caroline SpelmanMeridenCon (front bench)absent aye
Dai HavardMerthyr Tydfil and RhymneyLab (minister)no no
Nadine DorriesMid BedfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Keith SimpsonMid NorfolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Nicholas SoamesMid SussexCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)no absent
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLabaye absent
Paul BeresfordMole ValleyCon (front bench)absent aye
David DaviesMonmouthCon (front bench)absent aye
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)no absent
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLab (minister)absent no
Colin ChallenMorley and RothwellLab (minister)no no
Peter HainNeathLababsent no
Julian LewisNew Forest EastCon (front bench)aye aye
Desmond SwayneNew Forest WestCon (front bench)aye aye
Patrick MercerNewarkCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard BenyonNewburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Dan RogersonNorth CornwallLDem (front bench)absent tellaye
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)aye aye
Alistair BurtNorth East BedfordshireCon (front bench)aye aye
Natascha EngelNorth East DerbyshireLababsent no
Mark LancasterNorth East Milton KeynesCon (front bench)aye aye
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael WillsNorth SwindonLab (minister)absent no
Roger GaleNorth ThanetCon (front bench)absent aye
Shailesh VaraNorth West CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye aye
Hilary ArmstrongNorth West DurhamLababsent no
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)aye both
Henry BellinghamNorth West NorfolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLab (minister)no absent
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLababsent aye
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLabaye absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)no absent
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye aye
Jim SheridanPaisley and Renfrewshire NorthLab (minister)absent no
Gordon PrenticePendleLab (minister)no no
David MacleanPenrith and The BorderCon (front bench)absent aye
Stewart JacksonPeterboroughCon (front bench)absent aye
Linda GilroyPlymouth, SuttonLab (minister)absent no
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)no absent
Stephen CrabbPreseli PembrokeshireCon (front bench)aye aye
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye aye
Justine GreeningPutneyCon (front bench)aye aye
Mark FrancoisRayleighCon (front bench)aye aye
Rob WilsonReading EastCon (front bench)aye aye
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)aye absent
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Crispin BluntReigateCon (front bench)absent aye
William HagueRichmond (Yorks)Con (front bench)absent aye
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)no absent
James DuddridgeRochford and Southend EastCon (front bench)aye aye
Andrew RosindellRomfordCon (front bench)aye aye
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)no absent
Janet AndersonRossendale and DarwenLab (minister)no no
Kevin BarronRother ValleyLab (minister)absent no
Jeremy WrightRugby and KenilworthCon (front bench)aye aye
Nick HurdRuislip - NorthwoodCon (front bench)aye aye
Philip HammondRunnymede and WeybridgeCon (front bench)aye aye
Alan DuncanRutland and MeltonCon (front bench)aye aye
Robert KeySalisburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Robert GoodwillScarborough and WhitbyCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLabaye absent
Clive BettsSheffield, AttercliffeLab (minister)no no
Meg MunnSheffield, HeeleyLabno no
Angela SmithSheffield, HillsboroughLab (minister)absent no
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)no absent
Philip DaviesShipleyConabsent aye
Daniel KawczynskiShrewsbury and AtchamCon (front bench)aye aye
Fiona MactaggartSloughLab (minister)no no
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Andrew LansleySouth CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark ToddSouth DerbyshireLab (minister)absent no
James PaiceSouth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
John HayesSouth Holland and The DeepingsCon (front bench)aye aye
David BorrowSouth RibbleLab (minister)absent no
David MilibandSouth ShieldsLab (minister)aye absent
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLabaye absent
Andrew SelousSouth West BedfordshireCon (front bench)aye aye
Gary StreeterSouth West DevonCon (front bench)absent aye
David GaukeSouth West HertfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Christopher FraserSouth West NorfolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Jeremy HuntSouth West SurreyCon (front bench)absent aye
Sir David AmessSouthend WestCon (front bench)absent aye
John PughSouthportLDem (front bench)aye aye
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Andrew GeorgeSt IvesLDem (front bench)absent aye
Frank CookStockton NorthLab (minister)no absent
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLababsent aye
Bill CashStoneCon (front bench)absent aye
Lynda WalthoStourbridgeLab (minister)absent no
Chris MullinSunderland SouthLab (minister)absent no
Michael GoveSurrey HeathCon (front bench)aye aye
Andrew MitchellSutton ColdfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Alan WilliamsSwansea WestLab (minister)no no
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)aye aye
Laurence RobertsonTewkesburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark PritchardThe WrekinCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye aye
Angela BrowningTiverton and HonitonCon (front bench)absent aye
Geoffrey CoxTorridge and West DevonCon (front bench)absent aye
Greg ClarkTunbridge WellsCon (front bench)aye aye
David ClellandTyne BridgeLab (minister)no no
Angela WatkinsonUpminsterCon (front bench)aye aye
John RandallUxbridgeCon (front bench)aye aye
Chris RuaneVale of ClwydLababsent no
John SmithVale of GlamorganLab (minister)absent no
Anne McIntoshVale of YorkCon (front bench)absent aye
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)aye aye
David WinnickWalsall NorthLab (minister)absent no
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)absent aye
Denis MurphyWansbeckLab (minister)absent no
Ed VaizeyWantageCon (front bench)absent aye
Helen SouthworthWarrington SouthLab (minister)absent no
Charles HendryWealdenCon (front bench)aye aye
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)aye absent
Grant ShappsWelwyn HatfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)aye absent
Simon BurnsWest ChelmsfordCon (front bench)aye aye
Patrick McLoughlinWest DerbyshireCon (front bench)aye aye
Oliver LetwinWest DorsetCon (front bench)aye aye
Richard SpringWest SuffolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael SpicerWest WorcestershireCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew MurrisonWestburyCon (front bench)absent aye
John PenroseWeston-Super-MareCon (front bench)absent aye
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)aye absent
Stephen HammondWimbledonCon (front bench)aye aye
Mark OatenWinchesterLDem (front bench)no absent
Adam AfriyieWindsorCon (front bench)aye aye
Ben ChapmanWirral SouthLab (minister)absent no
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)aye aye
John RedwoodWokinghamConabsent aye
Liam FoxWoodspringCon (front bench)absent aye
Paul GoodmanWycombeCon (front bench)absent aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 89 voted the same way, with 254 voting in opposite ways. There were 90 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 213 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up on opposite sides. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
254
(254 + 89 + 0.2x213)
=
254
385.6
= 0.659 = 65.9 %.


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