Comparison of Divisions: Government of Wales Bill — [2nd Allotted Day] — Clause 94 — Amendment of Schedule 5 — 24 Jan 2006 at 17:15 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

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Vote (a) (unedited): Government of Wales Bill — [2nd Allotted Day] — Clause 94 — Amendment of Schedule 5 - 24 Jan 2006 at 17:15 - Division No. 139

Question accordingly negatived.

Amendment proposed: No. 123, in page 51, line 39, leave out from 'Parliament' to end of line 1 on page 52.-[Mr. Llwyd.]

Question put, That the amendment be made:-

The Committee divided: Ayes 206, Noes 275.

Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)aye absent
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)aye absent
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)aye absent
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)aye absent
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)aye absent
Derek ConwayOld Bexley and Sidcupwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
Eric ForthBromley and ChislehurstCon (front bench)aye absent
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)aye absent
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)aye absent
Boris JohnsonHenleyCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)aye absent
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael MatesEast HampshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)aye absent
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Conaye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
Peter AinsworthEast SurreyCon (front bench)absent aye
Tony BaldryBanburyConabsent aye
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)absent aye
Christopher ChopeChristchurchCon (front bench)absent aye
Patrick CormackSouth StaffordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Alan DuncanRutland and MeltonCon (front bench)absent aye
Liam FoxWoodspringCon (front bench)absent aye
Christopher FraserSouth West NorfolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Roger GaleNorth ThanetCon (front bench)absent aye
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)absent aye
William HagueRichmond (Yorks)Con (front bench)absent aye
Philip HammondRunnymede and WeybridgeCon (front bench)absent aye
Nick HerbertArundel and South DownsCon (front bench)absent aye
John HowellHenleyConabsent aye
Greg KnightEast YorkshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew LansleySouth CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Oliver LetwinWest DorsetCon (front bench)absent aye
David LidingtonAylesburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew MacKayBracknellCon (front bench)absent aye
David MacleanPenrith and The BorderCon (front bench)absent aye
Theresa MayMaidenheadCon (front bench)absent aye
Patrick McLoughlinWest DerbyshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Maria MillerBasingstokeCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew MitchellSutton ColdfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Bob NeillBromley and ChislehurstConabsent aye
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaConabsent aye
Richard ShepherdAldridge-BrownhillsCon (front bench)absent aye
Nicholas SoamesMid SussexConabsent aye
Caroline SpelmanMeridenCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard SpringWest SuffolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Desmond SwayneNew Forest WestCon (front bench)absent aye
Hugo SwireEast DevonCon (front bench)absent aye
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichConabsent aye
David TredinnickBosworthConabsent aye
Theresa VilliersChipping BarnetCon (front bench)absent aye
Angela WatkinsonUpminsterCon (front bench)absent aye
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdCon (front bench)absent aye
David WillettsHavantCon (front bench)absent aye
Rob WilsonReading EastCon (front bench)absent aye
Nicholas WintertonMacclesfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Ian PaisleyNorth AntrimDUP (front bench)aye absent
Iris RobinsonStrangfordDUPaye absent
David SimpsonUpper BannDUP (front bench)aye absent
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)absent aye
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)absent aye
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)absent aye
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentabsent aye
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independentabsent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentabsent aye
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabno aye
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)no aye
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)no aye
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabno aye
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)no aye
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabno aye
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)no aye
Kate HoeyVauxhallLabno aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)no aye
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)no aye
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabno aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)no aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLab (minister)no aye
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabno aye
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabno aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)no aye
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)no aye
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)no aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)no aye
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabno aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)no aye
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)no aye
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabno aye
Paul TruswellPudseyLabno aye
Keith VazLeicester EastLabno aye
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabno aye
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)no both
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)no absent
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)no absent
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)no absent
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)no absent
Colin BurgonElmetLab (minister)no absent
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLab (minister)no absent
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLab (minister)no absent
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)no absent
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)no absent
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)no absent
Jon CruddasDagenhamLabno absent
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)no absent
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)no absent
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLabno absent
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)no absent
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)no absent
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)no absent
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)no absent
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)no absent
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)no absent
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)no absent
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)no absent
Piara S KhabraEaling, SouthallLab (minister)no absent
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLabno absent
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLab (minister)no absent
Martin LintonBatterseaLab (minister)no absent
John MacDougallGlenrothesLab (minister)no absent
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLab (minister)no absent
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)no absent
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)no absent
Anne McGuireStirlingLab (minister)no absent
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLabno absent
David MilibandSouth ShieldsLab (minister)no absent
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLabno absent
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)no absent
Kali MountfordColne ValleyLab (minister)no absent
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)no absent
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)no absent
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)no absent
Martin SalterReading WestLabno absent
Clare ShortBirmingham, Ladywoodwhilst Labno absent
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)no absent
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLab (minister)no absent
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLabno absent
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)no absent
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)no absent
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)no absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Labno absent
Betty WilliamsConwyLabno absent
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)no absent
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLababsent aye
David AndersonBlaydonLab (minister)absent no
Charlotte AtkinsStaffordshire MoorlandsLab (minister)absent no
Gordon BanksOchil and South PerthshireLab (minister)absent no
Margaret BeckettDerby SouthLab (minister)absent no
Joe BentonBootleLab (minister)absent no
Bob BlizzardWaveneyLab (minister)absent no
David BlunkettSheffield, BrightsideLababsent no
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)absent no
Tom ClarkeCoatbridge, Chryston and BellshillLababsent no
Ann ClwydCynon ValleyLab (minister)absent no
Yvette CooperPontefract and CastlefordLab (minister)absent no
David CrausbyBolton North EastLab (minister)absent no
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)absent no
John DenhamSouthampton, ItchenLab (minister)absent no
David HansonDelynLab (minister)absent no
Stephen HesfordWirral WestLab (minister)absent no
Patricia HewittLeicester WestLab (minister)absent no
Kim HowellsPontypriddLab (minister)absent no
Beverley HughesStretford and UrmstonLab (minister)absent no
John HuttonBarrow and FurnessLab (minister)absent no
Tessa JowellDulwich and West NorwoodLab (minister)absent no
Sally KeebleNorthampton NorthLab (minister)absent no
Ruth KellyBolton WestLab (minister)absent no
Bob LaxtonDerby NorthLababsent no
Tony LloydManchester CentralLababsent no
Shahid MalikDewsburyLab (minister)absent no
Eric MartlewCarlisleLab (minister)absent no
Steve McCabeBirmingham, Hall GreenLab (minister)absent no
Kerry McCarthyBristol EastLab (minister)absent no
Ian McCartneyMakerfieldLab (minister)absent no
Siobhain McDonaghMitcham and MordenLab (minister)absent no
Rosemary McKennaCumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch EastLab (minister)absent no
George MudieLeeds EastLab (minister)absent no
Albert OwenYnys MônLababsent no
James PurnellStalybridge and HydeLab (minister)absent no
Frank RoyMotherwell and WishawLab (minister)absent no
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLababsent no
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLababsent no
Jim SheridanPaisley and Renfrewshire NorthLab (minister)absent no
Angela SmithBasildonLab (minister)absent no
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLababsent no
Jack StrawBlackburnLab (minister)absent no
Gareth ThomasHarrow WestLab (minister)absent no
Mark ToddSouth DerbyshireLab (minister)absent no
Desmond TurnerBrighton, KemptownLab (minister)absent no
Claire WardWatfordLab (minister)absent tellno
Tom WatsonWest Bromwich EastLab (minister)absent no
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLababsent no
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)aye absent
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)tellaye absent
Colin BreedSouth East CornwallLDem (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Vincent CableTwickenhamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Lynne FeatherstoneHornsey and Wood GreenLDem (front bench)absent aye
Julia GoldsworthyFalmouth and CamborneLDem (front bench)absent aye
Nick HarveyNorth DevonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Martin HorwoodCheltenhamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Simon HughesNorth Southwark and BermondseyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Christopher HuhneEastleighLDem (front bench)absent aye
Alan ReidArgyll and ButeLDem (front bench)absent tellaye
Willie RennieDunfermline and West FifeLDemabsent aye
Richard Younger-RossTeignbridgeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)absent aye
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)aye absent
Alex SalmondBanff and BuchanSNP (front bench)aye absent
John MasonGlasgow EastSNPabsent aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 645 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 379 voted the same way, with 28 voting in opposite ways. There were 61 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 177 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
379
(379 + 28 + 0.2x177)
=
379
442.4
= 0.857 = 85.7 %.


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