Comparison of Divisions: Orders of the Day — Clause 1 — Meaning of "the probation purposes" — 18 Jul 2007 at 19:30 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

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Vote (a) (unedited): Orders of the Day — Clause 1 — Meaning of "the probation purposes" - 18 Jul 2007 at 19:30 - Division No. 195

I beg to move, That this House agrees with the Lords in the said amendments.

Motion made, and Question put, That amendment (a) thereto be made:- [Claire Ward.]

The House divided: Ayes 266, Noes 127.

Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by constituency

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their inverted vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
John ReidAirdrie and ShottsLabaye absent
Gerald HowarthAldershotCon (front bench)absent aye
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)aye absent
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)absent aye
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)aye absent
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)aye absent
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)aye absent
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)aye absent
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)aye absent
John HuttonBarrow and FurnessLab (minister)absent no
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)aye absent
Don FosterBathLDem (front bench)absent aye
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLababsent aye
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)aye absent
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPabsent aye
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)absent aye
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)absent aye
Alan BeithBerwick-upon-TweedLDem (front bench)absent aye
Michael MooreBerwickshire, Roxburgh and SelkirkLDem (front bench)absent aye
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)aye absent
Siôn SimonBirmingham, ErdingtonLababsent no
Steve McCabeBirmingham, Hall GreenLab (minister)absent no
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)aye absent
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)aye absent
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLabaye absent
Jack StrawBlackburnLab (minister)absent no
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)aye aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLab (minister)aye aye
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentaye aye
David AndersonBlaydonLab (minister)absent no
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLab (minister)aye absent
David TredinnickBosworthConabsent aye
Tobias EllwoodBournemouth EastCon (front bench)absent aye
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)no absent
Gerry SutcliffeBradford SouthLab (minister)absent no
Brooks NewmarkBraintreeCon (front bench)absent aye
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)no absent
Sarah TeatherBrent EastLDem (front bench)absent aye
Eric PicklesBrentwood and OngarCon (front bench)absent aye
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLabaye aye
Stephen WilliamsBristol WestLDem (front bench)absent aye
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)no absent
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye aye
John BercowBuckinghamwhilst Con (front bench)absent aye
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Hywel WilliamsCaernarfonPC (front bench)absent aye
David HowarthCambridgeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Jennifer WillottCardiff CentralLDem (front bench)absent aye
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Adam PriceCarmarthen East and DinefwrPC (front bench)absent aye
Tom BrakeCarshalton and WallingtonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Con (front bench)no absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Mark WilliamsCeredigionLDem (front bench)absent aye
Mark HunterCheadleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Martin HorwoodCheltenhamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paul HolmesChesterfieldLDem (front bench)absent aye
Theresa VilliersChipping BarnetCon (front bench)absent aye
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)aye absent
Roberta Blackman-WoodsCity of DurhamLab (minister)absent no
Hugh BayleyCity of YorkLab (minister)absent no
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)aye aye
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)aye absent
David JonesClwyd WestCon (front bench)absent aye
Bob AinsworthCoventry North EastLab (minister)absent no
Geoffrey RobinsonCoventry North WestLababsent no
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichConabsent aye
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Con (front bench)no absent
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Alan MilburnDarlingtonLababsent no
Tim BoswellDaventryConno absent
Margaret BeckettDerby SouthLababsent no
Michael AncramDevizesCon (front bench)absent aye
Caroline FlintDon ValleyLab (minister)absent no
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Russell BrownDumfries and GallowayLab (minister)absent no
Willie RennieDunfermline and West FifeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Andrew SlaughterEaling, Acton and Shepherd's BushLab (minister)absent no
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLababsent no
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)absent aye
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)aye absent
Peter AinsworthEast SurreyCon (front bench)absent aye
Tim LoughtonEast Worthing and ShorehamCon (front bench)absent aye
Greg KnightEast YorkshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Nigel WatersonEastbourneCon (front bench)absent aye
Christopher HuhneEastleighLDem (front bench)absent aye
Ian StewartEcclesLababsent no
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLabaye absent
Clive EffordElthamLab (minister)absent no
Joan RyanEnfield NorthLab (minister)absent no
David BurrowesEnfield, SouthgateCon (front bench)absent aye
Eleanor LaingEpping ForestCon (front bench)absent aye
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)absent aye
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)aye absent
Ben BradshawExeterLab (minister)absent no
Julia GoldsworthyFalmouth and CamborneLDem (front bench)absent aye
Mark HobanFarehamCon (front bench)absent aye
Hugh RobertsonFaversham and Mid KentCon (front bench)absent aye
Alan KeenFeltham and HestonLab (minister)absent no
Michael HowardFolkestone and HytheConabsent aye
Mark HarperForest of DeanCon (front bench)absent aye
Edward LeighGainsboroughCon (front bench)absent aye
Sharon HodgsonGateshead East and Washington WestLab (minister)absent no
Mohammad SarwarGlasgow CentralLab (minister)absent no
John MasonGlasgow EastSNPabsent aye
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)aye absent
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLababsent no
Parmjit DhandaGloucesterLab (minister)absent no
Malcolm BruceGordonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Peter ViggersGosportCon (front bench)absent aye
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)aye absent
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)absent no
Adam HollowayGraveshamCon (front bench)absent aye
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)aye absent
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye aye
Anne MiltonGuildfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye aye
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)aye absent
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye aye
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenCon (front bench)no absent
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLababsent aye
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)aye absent
Phil WillisHarrogate and KnaresboroughLDem (front bench)absent aye
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLababsent aye
Andrew StunellHazel GroveLDem (front bench)absent aye
John HowellHenleyConabsent aye
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)no absent
Peter AtkinsonHexhamCon (front bench)absent aye
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)aye absent
Lynne FeatherstoneHornsey and Wood GreenLDem (front bench)absent aye
Jonathan DjanoglyHuntingdonCon (front bench)absent aye
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Danny AlexanderInverness, Nairn, Badenoch and StrathspeyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye aye
Stephen HepburnJarrowLab (minister)absent no
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaConabsent aye
Edward DaveyKingston and SurbitonLDem (front bench)absent aye
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLabaye absent
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)absent no
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)aye absent
Ben WallaceLancaster and WyreCon (front bench)absent aye
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)aye absent
Greg MulhollandLeeds North WestLDem (front bench)absent aye
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)aye absent
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)absent aye
Bill WigginLeominsterCon (front bench)absent aye
Norman BakerLewesLDem (front bench)absent aye
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)aye absent
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)absent aye
Michael FabricantLichfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentabsent aye
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Labaye absent
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye aye
Philip DunneLudlowCon (front bench)absent aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)aye aye
John LeechManchester, WithingtonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLababsent aye
Elfyn LlwydMeirionnydd Nant ConwyPC (front bench)absent aye
Caroline SpelmanMeridenCon (front bench)absent aye
Annette BrookeMid Dorset and North PooleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Keith SimpsonMid NorfolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Nicholas SoamesMid SussexCon (front bench)absent aye
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLab (minister)aye absent
David HamiltonMidlothianLab (minister)absent no
Phyllis StarkeyMilton Keynes South WestLab (minister)absent no
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)absent aye
Peter HainNeathLab (minister)absent no
Patrick MercerNewarkConabsent aye
Jim CousinsNewcastle upon Tyne CentralLab (minister)absent no
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLabaye absent
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)absent aye
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)aye absent
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)aye absent
Dan RogersonNorth CornwallLDem (front bench)absent tellaye
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)absent aye
Alistair BurtNorth East BedfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)no absent
Natascha EngelNorth East DerbyshireLab (minister)absent no
Norman LambNorth NorfolkLDem (front bench)absent aye
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)no absent
Simon HughesNorth Southwark and BermondseyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Roger GaleNorth ThanetCon (front bench)absent aye
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLabaye absent
Hilary ArmstrongNorth West DurhamLababsent no
George YoungNorth West HampshireCon (front bench)absent aye
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)absent both
Henry BellinghamNorth West NorfolkCon (front bench)absent aye
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)no absent
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)no absent
Steve WebbNorthavonLDemabsent aye
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLabaye absent
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)no absent
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye aye
Evan HarrisOxford West and AbingdonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Douglas AlexanderPaisley and Renfrewshire SouthLab (minister)absent no
David MacleanPenrith and The BorderCon (front bench)absent aye
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)absent aye
Stewart JacksonPeterboroughCon (front bench)absent aye
Linda GilroyPlymouth, SuttonLab (minister)absent no
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)no absent
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye aye
Justine GreeningPutneyCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark FrancoisRayleighCon (front bench)absent aye
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)aye absent
Vera BairdRedcarLab (minister)absent no
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Crispin BluntReigateCon (front bench)absent aye
William HagueRichmond (Yorks)Con (front bench)absent aye
Susan KramerRichmond ParkLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)no absent
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLabaye absent
Jeremy WrightRugby and KenilworthCon (front bench)absent aye
John GreenwayRyedaleConno absent
Robert GoodwillScarborough and WhitbyCon (front bench)absent aye
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLababsent no
John GroganSelbyLab (minister)absent no
Michael FallonSevenoaksCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLabaye absent
Nick CleggSheffield, HallamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)aye absent
David CurrySkipton and RiponCon (front bench)absent aye
Fiona MactaggartSloughLab (minister)absent no
David HeathSomerton and FromeLDem (front bench)absent aye
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Jim KnightSouth DorsetLab (minister)absent no
James PaiceSouth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Colin BreedSouth East CornwallLDem (front bench)absent aye
John HayesSouth Holland and The DeepingsCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard BaconSouth NorfolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Patrick CormackSouth StaffordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLab (minister)aye absent
Gary StreeterSouth West DevonCon (front bench)absent aye
David GaukeSouth West HertfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Christopher FraserSouth West NorfolkCon (front bench)absent aye
John PughSouthportLDem (front bench)absent aye
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)no absent
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Andrew GeorgeSt IvesLDemabsent aye
James PurnellStalybridge and HydeLab (minister)absent no
Frank CookStockton NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Dari TaylorStockton SouthLab (minister)absent no
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye aye
Joan WalleyStoke-on-Trent NorthLab (minister)absent no
Paul BurstowSutton and CheamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Andrew MitchellSutton ColdfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)aye absent
Alan WilliamsSwansea WestLab (minister)absent no
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard Younger-RossTeignbridgeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye aye
Angela BrowningTiverton and HonitonCon (front bench)absent aye
Geoffrey CoxTorridge and West DevonCon (front bench)absent aye
Matthew TaylorTruro and St AustellLDemabsent aye
Vincent CableTwickenhamLDem (front bench)absent aye
John RandallUxbridgeCon (front bench)absent aye
Chris RuaneVale of ClwydLababsent no
Kate HoeyVauxhallLabaye aye
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye aye
Ed VaizeyWantageCon (front bench)absent aye
John SpellarWarleyLababsent no
Charles HendryWealdenCon (front bench)absent aye
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)aye absent
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)no absent
Grant ShappsWelwyn HatfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Robert SmithWest Aberdeenshire and KincardineLDem (front bench)absent aye
Tom WatsonWest Bromwich EastLab (minister)absent no
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)aye absent
John McFallWest DunbartonshireLab (minister)absent no
Rosie CooperWest LancashireLab (minister)absent no
Tim FarronWestmorland and LonsdaleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)aye absent
Adam AfriyieWindsorCon (front bench)absent aye
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)absent aye
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)no absent
John RedwoodWokinghamConabsent aye
Liam FoxWoodspringCon (front bench)absent aye
David LawsYeovilLDem (front bench)absent aye
Albert OwenYnys MônLab (minister)absent no

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 644 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 20 voted the same way, with 308 voting in opposite ways. There were 66 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 250 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up on opposite sides. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
308
(308 + 20 + 0.2x250)
=
308
378
= 0.815 = 81.5 %.


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