Comparison of Divisions: Orders of the Day — New Clause 3 — Review and report to Parliament — 3 Nov 2008 at 16:30 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

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Vote (a) (unedited): Orders of the Day — New Clause 3 — Review and report to Parliament - 3 Nov 2008 at 16:30 - Division No. 306

I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

Question put, That the clause be read a Second time:-

The House divided: Ayes 236, Noes 185.

Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their inverted vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)no absent
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)no absent
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)no absent
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)no absent
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)no absent
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenConno absent
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)no absent
John GreenwayRyedaleConno absent
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)no absent
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)no absent
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)no absent
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)no absent
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)no absent
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)no absent
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)no absent
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)no absent
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)no absent
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)no absent
Michael AncramDevizesCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter AtkinsonHexhamCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard BaconSouth NorfolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Tony BaldryBanburyConabsent aye
Gregory BarkerBexhill and BattleCon (front bench)absent aye
Angela BrowningTiverton and HonitonCon (front bench)absent aye
Alistair BurtNorth East BedfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Bill CashStoneCon (front bench)absent aye
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)absent aye
James DuddridgeRochford and Southend EastCon (front bench)absent aye
Alan DuncanRutland and MeltonCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark FieldCities of London and WestminsterCon (front bench)absent aye
Edward GarnierHarboroughCon (front bench)absent aye
Robert GoodwillScarborough and WhitbyCon (front bench)absent aye
John GummerSuffolk CoastalConabsent aye
William HagueRichmond (Yorks)Con (front bench)absent aye
John HayesSouth Holland and The DeepingsCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael HowardFolkestone and HytheConabsent aye
John HowellHenleyCon (front bench)absent aye
Jeremy HuntSouth West SurreyCon (front bench)absent aye
Daniel KawczynskiShrewsbury and AtchamCon (front bench)absent aye
Greg KnightEast YorkshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark LancasterNorth East Milton KeynesCon (front bench)absent aye
David MacleanPenrith and The BorderCon (front bench)absent aye
Patrick MercerNewarkCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard OttawayCroydon SouthCon (front bench)absent aye
James PaiceSouth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
John PenroseWeston-Super-MareCon (front bench)absent aye
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaConabsent aye
Lee ScottIlford NorthCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard ShepherdAldridge-BrownhillsCon (front bench)absent aye
Caroline SpelmanMeridenCon (front bench)absent aye
Hugo SwireEast DevonConabsent aye
Ian TaylorEsher and WaltonConabsent aye
Peter ViggersGosportCon (front bench)absent aye
Ben WallaceLancaster and WyreCon (front bench)absent aye
Rob WilsonReading EastCon (front bench)absent aye
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)absent aye
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)absent aye
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)absent aye
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPabsent aye
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentaye aye
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentaye aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabaye aye
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)aye aye
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabaye aye
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLabaye aye
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)aye aye
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)aye aye
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLabaye aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)aye aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLabaye aye
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)aye aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)aye aye
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabaye aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)aye aye
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)aye aye
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabaye aye
Paul TruswellPudseyLabaye aye
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)aye aye
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)aye both
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)aye absent
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)aye absent
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)aye absent
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)aye absent
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLabaye absent
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLabaye absent
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)aye absent
Frank CookStockton NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Jon CruddasDagenhamLabaye absent
Claire Curtis-ThomasCrosbyLabaye absent
Bill EtheringtonSunderland NorthLabaye absent
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)aye absent
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLabaye absent
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)aye absent
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)aye absent
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)aye absent
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)aye absent
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)aye absent
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)aye absent
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)aye absent
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)aye absent
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLab (minister)aye absent
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Martin LintonBatterseaLab (minister)aye absent
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLabaye absent
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)aye absent
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)aye absent
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLabaye absent
Alan MealeMansfieldLabaye absent
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)aye absent
Anne MoffatEast LothianLab (minister)aye absent
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)aye absent
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)aye absent
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)aye absent
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLabaye absent
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)aye absent
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLabaye absent
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)aye absent
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)aye absent
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLabaye absent
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)aye absent
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)aye absent
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)aye absent
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLabaye absent
Betty WilliamsConwyLabaye absent
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)absent aye
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)absent aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)absent aye
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLababsent aye
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLababsent aye
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLababsent aye
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLababsent aye
David AndersonBlaydonLab (minister)absent no
Edward BallsNormantonLab (minister)absent no
Gordon BanksOchil and South PerthshireLab (minister)absent no
Anne BeggAberdeen SouthLab (minister)absent no
Stuart BellMiddlesbroughLab (minister)absent no
Joe BentonBootleLab (minister)absent no
Roberta Blackman-WoodsCity of DurhamLab (minister)absent no
David BorrowSouth RibbleLab (minister)absent no
Ben BradshawExeterLab (minister)absent no
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)absent no
Russell BrownDumfries and GallowayLab (minister)absent no
Des BrowneKilmarnock and LoudounLababsent no
Andy BurnhamLeighLab (minister)absent no
Colin ChallenMorley and RothwellLab (minister)absent no
Ben ChapmanWirral SouthLab (minister)absent no
David ChaytorBury NorthLab (minister)absent no
Tom ClarkeCoatbridge, Chryston and BellshillLab (minister)absent no
Ann ClwydCynon ValleyLab (minister)absent no
Michael ConnartyLinlithgow and East FalkirkLab (minister)absent no
Ian DavidsonGlasgow South WestLab (minister)absent no
Jim DevineLivingstonLab (minister)absent no
Parmjit DhandaGloucesterLababsent no
Frank DobsonHolborn and St PancrasLababsent no
Frank DoranAberdeen NorthLab (minister)absent no
Louise EllmanLiverpool, RiversideLab (minister)absent no
Caroline FlintDon ValleyLab (minister)absent no
Barbara FollettStevenageLab (minister)absent no
Michael Jabez FosterHastings and RyeLab (minister)absent no
Hywel FrancisAberavonLab (minister)absent no
Bruce GeorgeWalsall SouthLababsent no
Paul GogginsWythenshawe and Sale EastLab (minister)absent no
Nigel GriffithsEdinburgh SouthLab (minister)absent no
David HamiltonMidlothianLab (minister)absent no
Tom HarrisGlasgow SouthLababsent no
Mark HendrickPrestonLab (minister)absent no
Patricia HewittLeicester WestLababsent no
Sharon HodgsonGateshead East and Washington WestLab (minister)absent no
Phil HopeCorbyLab (minister)absent no
George HowarthKnowsley North and Sefton EastLab (minister)absent no
Kim HowellsPontypriddLababsent no
Beverley HughesStretford and UrmstonLab (minister)absent no
Tessa JowellDulwich and West NorwoodLab (minister)absent no
Barbara KeeleyWorsleyLab (minister)absent no
Jane KennedyLiverpool, WavertreeLab (minister)absent no
Jim KnightSouth DorsetLab (minister)absent no
Mark LazarowiczEdinburgh North and LeithLab (minister)absent no
Kerry McCarthyBristol EastLab (minister)absent no
Pat McFaddenWolverhampton South EastLab (minister)absent no
Jim McGovernDundee WestLab (minister)absent no
Rosemary McKennaCumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch EastLab (minister)absent no
Gillian MerronLincolnLab (minister)absent no
Alan MilburnDarlingtonLababsent no
Laura MoffattCrawleyLab (minister)absent no
Margaret MoranLuton SouthLab (minister)absent no
Jessica MordenNewport EastLab (minister)absent no
Jim MurphyEast RenfrewshireLab (minister)absent no
Gordon PrenticePendleLab (minister)absent no
Ken PurchaseWolverhampton North EastLab (minister)absent no
Terry RooneyBradford NorthLab (minister)absent no
Frank RoyMotherwell and WishawLab (minister)absent no
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLababsent no
Mohammad SarwarGlasgow CentralLab (minister)absent no
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLab (minister)absent no
Jacqui SmithRedditchLab (minister)absent no
John SmithVale of GlamorganLab (minister)absent no
Peter SoulsbyLeicester SouthLab (minister)absent no
Ian StewartEcclesLab (minister)absent no
Howard StoateDartfordLab (minister)absent no
Graham StringerManchester, BlackleyLab (minister)absent no
Dari TaylorStockton SouthLab (minister)absent no
Stephen TimmsEast HamLab (minister)absent no
Desmond TurnerBrighton, KemptownLab (minister)absent no
Joan WalleyStoke-on-Trent NorthLab (minister)absent no
Lynda WalthoStourbridgeLab (minister)absent no
Tom WatsonWest Bromwich EastLab (minister)absent no
Alan WhiteheadSouthampton, TestLab (minister)absent no
Malcolm WicksCroydon NorthLababsent no
David WrightTelfordLab (minister)absent no
Iain WrightHartlepoolLab (minister)absent no
Mark OatenWinchesterLDem (front bench)no absent
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)no absent
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)no absent
Norman BakerLewesLDem (front bench)absent aye
John BarrettEdinburgh WestLDem (front bench)absent aye
Alan BeithBerwick-upon-TweedLDem (front bench)absent aye
Tom BrakeCarshalton and WallingtonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Paul BurstowSutton and CheamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Lorely BurtSolihullLDem (front bench)absent aye
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Tim FarronWestmorland and LonsdaleLDem (front bench)absent aye
Lynne FeatherstoneHornsey and Wood GreenLDem (front bench)absent aye
Andrew GeorgeSt IvesLDem (front bench)absent aye
David HeathSomerton and FromeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Martin HorwoodCheltenhamLDem (front bench)absent aye
Mark HunterCheadleLDem (front bench)absent aye
David LawsYeovilLDem (front bench)absent aye
Michael MooreBerwickshire, Roxburgh and SelkirkLDem (front bench)absent aye
Greg MulhollandLeeds North WestLDem (front bench)absent aye
Alan ReidArgyll and ButeLDem (front bench)absent tellaye
Willie RennieDunfermline and West FifeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Robert SmithWest Aberdeenshire and KincardineLDem (front bench)absent aye
Mark WilliamsCeredigionLDem (front bench)absent aye
Jennifer WillottCardiff CentralLDem (front bench)absent aye
Richard Younger-RossTeignbridgeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Adam PriceCarmarthen East and DinefwrPC (front bench)absent aye
Hywel WilliamsCaernarfonPC (front bench)absent aye
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)absent aye
John MasonGlasgow EastSNPabsent aye
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)absent aye
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)absent aye
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst UKIP (front bench)no absent
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)absent aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 645 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 20 voted the same way, with 334 voting in opposite ways. There were 60 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 231 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up on opposite sides. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
334
(334 + 20 + 0.2x231)
=
334
400.2
= 0.835 = 83.5 %.


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