Comparison of Divisions: MPs' expenses — Staff to continue to be employed by MPs — rejected — 30 Apr 2009 at 17:00 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

(Swap the two divisions around).

Vote (a) : MPs' expenses — Staff to continue to be employed by MPs — rejected - 30 Apr 2009 at 17:00 - Division No. 107

The majority of MPs voted against changing the words of the motion (which was passed in the next division[1]):

  • In the opinion of this House, staff who work for an hon. Member should be employed by the House, as a personal appointment and managed by the hon. Member; and
  • The House of Commons Commission shall consider this decision and make 5 recommendations for its implementation, including any transitional provisions.

... by deleting the first paragraph.[2]

This would mean that, as there would have been no opinion made, the House of Commons Commission would not be bound by this decision and could consider all the options without limitation.[3]

Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

Sort by: Name | Constituency | Party | Vote (a) | Vote (b)

NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)aye absent
Adam AfriyieWindsorCon (front bench)no aye
Richard BaconSouth NorfolkCon (front bench)no aye
Gregory BarkerBexhill and BattleCon (front bench)no aye
John BaronBillericayCon (front bench)no aye
John BercowBuckinghamwhilst Con (front bench)no aye
Crispin BluntReigateCon (front bench)no aye
Julian BrazierCanterburyCon (front bench)no aye
James BrokenshireHornchurchCon (front bench)no aye
Simon BurnsWest ChelmsfordCon (front bench)no aye
Alistair BurtNorth East BedfordshireCon (front bench)no aye
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)no aye
Greg ClarkTunbridge WellsCon (front bench)no aye
Stephen CrabbPreseli PembrokeshireCon (front bench)no aye
James DuddridgeRochford and Southend EastCon (front bench)no aye
Alan DuncanRutland and MeltonCon (front bench)no aye
Tobias EllwoodBournemouth EastCon (front bench)no aye
Michael FabricantLichfieldCon (front bench)no aye
Mark FrancoisRayleighCon (front bench)no aye
Michael GoveSurrey HeathCon (front bench)no aye
Justine GreeningPutneyCon (front bench)no aye
Dominic GrieveBeaconsfieldCon (front bench)no aye
Philip HammondRunnymede and WeybridgeCon (front bench)no aye
Charles HendryWealdenCon (front bench)no aye
Nick HerbertArundel and South DownsCon (front bench)no aye
Mark HobanFarehamCon (front bench)no aye
Philip HolloboneKetteringCon (front bench)no aye
Nick HurdRuislip - NorthwoodCon (front bench)no aye
Daniel KawczynskiShrewsbury and AtchamCon (front bench)no aye
Eleanor LaingEpping ForestCon (front bench)no aye
Mark LancasterNorth East Milton KeynesCon (front bench)no aye
Edward LeighGainsboroughCon (front bench)no aye
Oliver LetwinWest DorsetCon (front bench)no aye
Julian LewisNew Forest EastCon (front bench)no aye
Andrew MacKayBracknellCon (front bench)no aye
Theresa MayMaidenheadCon (front bench)no aye
Patrick McLoughlinWest DerbyshireCon (front bench)no aye
Anne MiltonGuildfordCon (front bench)no aye
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)no aye
Mike PenningHemel HempsteadCon (front bench)no aye
John RandallUxbridgeCon (front bench)no aye
Andrew RobathanBlabyCon (front bench)no aye
Hugh RobertsonFaversham and Mid KentCon (front bench)no aye
Andrew RosindellRomfordCon (front bench)no aye
Lee ScottIlford NorthCon (front bench)no aye
Andrew SelousSouth West BedfordshireCon (front bench)no aye
Desmond SwayneNew Forest WestCon (front bench)no aye
Ian TaylorEsher and WaltonConno aye
Shailesh VaraNorth West CambridgeshireCon (front bench)no aye
Angela WatkinsonUpminsterCon (front bench)no aye
Bill WigginLeominsterCon (front bench)no aye
David WillettsHavantCon (front bench)no aye
Rob WilsonReading EastCon (front bench)no aye
Jeremy WrightRugby and KenilworthCon (front bench)no aye
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)no absent
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)no absent
Peter AinsworthEast SurreyCon (front bench)absent aye
Sir David AmessSouthend WestCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael AncramDevizesCon (front bench)absent aye
James ArbuthnotNorth East HampshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter AtkinsonHexhamCon (front bench)absent aye
Tony BaldryBanburyConabsent aye
Henry BellinghamNorth West NorfolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard BenyonNewburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Paul BeresfordMole ValleyCon (front bench)absent aye
Graham BradyAltrincham and Sale WestCon (front bench)absent aye
Angela BrowningTiverton and HonitonCon (front bench)absent aye
David BurrowesEnfield, SouthgateCon (front bench)absent aye
Douglas CarswellHarwichCon (front bench)absent aye
Bill CashStoneCon (front bench)absent aye
Geoffrey Clifton-BrownCotswoldCon (front bench)absent aye
Geoffrey CoxTorridge and West DevonCon (front bench)absent aye
David DaviesMonmouthCon (front bench)absent aye
Philip DaviesShipleyConabsent aye
Jonathan DjanoglyHuntingdonCon (front bench)absent aye
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)absent aye
Nadine DorriesMid BedfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Iain Duncan SmithChingford and Woodford GreenConabsent aye
Philip DunneLudlowCon (front bench)absent aye
David EvennettBexleyheath and CrayfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Liam FoxWoodspringCon (front bench)absent aye
Christopher FraserSouth West NorfolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Roger GaleNorth ThanetCon (front bench)absent aye
Edward GarnierHarboroughCon (front bench)absent aye
David GaukeSouth West HertfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Nick GibbBognor Regis and LittlehamptonCon (front bench)absent aye
Dame Cheryl GillanChesham and AmershamCon (front bench)absent aye
Paul GoodmanWycombeCon (front bench)absent aye
Robert GoodwillScarborough and WhitbyCon (front bench)absent aye
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)absent aye
Damian GreenAshfordCon (front bench)absent aye
William HagueRichmond (Yorks)Con (front bench)absent aye
Stephen HammondWimbledonCon (front bench)absent aye
Greg HandsHammersmith and FulhamCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark HarperForest of DeanCon (front bench)absent aye
John HayesSouth Holland and The DeepingsCon (front bench)absent aye
Adam HollowayGraveshamCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael HowardFolkestone and HytheConabsent aye
Gerald HowarthAldershotCon (front bench)absent aye
John HowellHenleyCon (front bench)absent aye
Jeremy HuntSouth West SurreyCon (front bench)absent aye
Stewart JacksonPeterboroughCon (front bench)absent aye
David JonesClwyd WestCon (front bench)absent aye
Robert KeySalisburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Greg KnightEast YorkshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew LansleySouth CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Ian Liddell-GraingerBridgwaterCon (front bench)absent aye
David LidingtonAylesburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter LilleyHitchin and HarpendenConabsent aye
Tim LoughtonEast Worthing and ShorehamCon (front bench)absent aye
David MacleanPenrith and The BorderCon (front bench)absent aye
Anne McIntoshVale of YorkCon (front bench)absent aye
Patrick MercerNewarkCon (front bench)absent aye
Maria MillerBasingstokeCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew MitchellSutton ColdfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew MurrisonWestburyCon (front bench)absent aye
Bob NeillBromley and ChislehurstCon (front bench)absent aye
Brooks NewmarkBraintreeCon (front bench)absent aye
Stephen O'BrienEddisburyCon (front bench)absent aye
James PaiceSouth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
John PenroseWeston-Super-MareCon (front bench)absent aye
Eric PicklesBrentwood and OngarCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark PriskHertford and StortfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark PritchardThe WrekinCon (front bench)absent aye
John RedwoodWokinghamConabsent aye
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaConabsent aye
Laurence RobertsonTewkesburyCon (front bench)absent aye
David RuffleyBury St EdmundsCon (front bench)absent aye
Grant ShappsWelwyn HatfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard ShepherdAldridge-BrownhillsCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark SimmondsBoston and SkegnessCon (front bench)absent aye
Keith SimpsonMid NorfolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Caroline SpelmanMeridenCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael SpicerWest WorcestershireCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard SpringWest SuffolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Gary StreeterSouth West DevonCon (front bench)absent aye
Graham StuartBeverley and HoldernessCon (front bench)absent aye
Hugo SwireEast DevonConabsent aye
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichCon (front bench)absent aye
David TredinnickBosworthConabsent aye
Andrew TurnerIsle of WightCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew TyrieChichesterCon (front bench)absent aye
Ed VaizeyWantageCon (front bench)absent aye
Peter ViggersGosportCon (front bench)absent aye
Theresa VilliersChipping BarnetCon (front bench)absent aye
Charles WalkerBroxbourneCon (front bench)absent aye
Ben WallaceLancaster and WyreCon (front bench)absent aye
Nigel WatersonEastbourneCon (front bench)absent aye
John WhittingdaleMaldon and East ChelmsfordCon (front bench)absent aye
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)no aye
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)no aye
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPno aye
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)no aye
David SimpsonUpper BannDUP (front bench)no absent
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)absent aye
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)absent aye
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentno aye
Richard TaylorWyre ForestIndependent (front bench)both aye
Nick AingerCarmarthen West and South PembrokeshireLab (minister)aye no
Clive BettsSheffield, AttercliffeLab (minister)aye no
Fiona MactaggartSloughLab (minister)aye no
Jim McGovernDundee WestLab (minister)aye no
Meg MunnSheffield, HeeleyLabaye no
Gordon PrenticePendleLab (minister)aye no
Barry SheermanHuddersfieldLab (minister)aye no
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)aye both
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)aye absent
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLabno aye
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)no aye
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)no aye
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)no aye
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)no aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)no aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabno aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)no aye
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)no aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)no aye
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabno aye
Paul TruswellPudseyLabno aye
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)no aye
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabno aye
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)no absent
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)no absent
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)no absent
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLabno absent
Michael ClaphamBarnsley West and PenistoneLab (minister)no absent
Frank CookStockton NorthLab (minister)no absent
Jon CruddasDagenhamLabno absent
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)no absent
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)no absent
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)no absent
Margaret HodgeBarkingLabno absent
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)no absent
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLabno absent
Martin LintonBatterseaLabno absent
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)no absent
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)no absent
David MilibandSouth ShieldsLab (minister)no absent
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)no absent
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)no absent
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)no absent
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)no absent
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)no absent
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLabno absent
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)no absent
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)no absent
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)no absent
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)no absent
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLababsent aye
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLababsent aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)absent aye
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLababsent aye
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLababsent aye
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLababsent aye
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)absent aye
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLababsent aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)absent aye
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)absent aye
Hilary ArmstrongNorth West DurhamLababsent no
Vera BairdRedcarLab (minister)absent no
Kevin BarronRother ValleyLab (minister)absent no
Anne BeggAberdeen SouthLab (minister)absent no
Joe BentonBootleLab (minister)absent no
David BorrowSouth RibbleLab (minister)absent no
David CairnsInverclydeLababsent no
Colin ChallenMorley and RothwellLab (minister)absent no
Ben ChapmanWirral SouthLab (minister)absent no
David ChaytorBury NorthLab (minister)absent no
Ann ClwydCynon ValleyLab (minister)absent no
Michael ConnartyLinlithgow and East FalkirkLab (minister)absent no
David CrausbyBolton North EastLab (minister)absent no
Jim DevineLivingstonLab (minister)absent no
Parmjit DhandaGloucesterLababsent no
Natascha EngelNorth East DerbyshireLababsent no
Hywel FrancisAberavonLab (minister)absent no
Nigel GriffithsEdinburgh SouthLab (minister)absent no
Peter HainNeathLababsent no
Tom HarrisGlasgow SouthLababsent no
Stephen HepburnJarrowLab (minister)absent no
Stephen HesfordWirral WestLab (minister)absent no
George HowarthKnowsley North and Sefton EastLab (minister)absent no
John HuttonBarrow and FurnessLab (minister)absent no
Brian IddonBolton South EastLab (minister)absent no
Gerald KaufmanManchester, GortonLab (minister)absent no
Fraser KempHoughton and Washington EastLababsent no
Bob LaxtonDerby NorthLab (minister)absent no
David LepperBrighton, PavilionLab (minister)absent no
Eric MartlewCarlisleLab (minister)absent no
Ian McCartneyMakerfieldLababsent no
Rosemary McKennaCumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch EastLab (minister)absent no
Alan MilburnDarlingtonLababsent no
Madeleine MoonBridgendLab (minister)absent no
Margaret MoranLuton SouthLab (minister)absent no
George MudieLeeds EastLab (minister)absent no
Chris MullinSunderland SouthLab (minister)absent no
Denis MurphyWansbeckLab (minister)absent no
James PlaskittWarwick and LeamingtonLab (minister)absent no
Dawn PrimaroloBristol SouthLab (minister)absent no
Gwyn ProsserDoverLab (minister)absent no
Terry RooneyBradford NorthLab (minister)absent no
Chris RuaneVale of ClwydLababsent no
Christine RussellCity of ChesterLab (minister)absent no
Mohammad SarwarGlasgow CentralLab (minister)absent no
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLab (minister)absent no
Jim SheridanPaisley and Renfrewshire NorthLab (minister)absent no
Angela SmithSheffield, HillsboroughLab (minister)absent no
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLab (minister)absent no
Helen SouthworthWarrington SouthLab (minister)absent no
Graham StringerManchester, BlackleyLab (minister)absent no
Mark ToddSouth DerbyshireLab (minister)absent no
Desmond TurnerBrighton, KemptownLab (minister)absent no
Lynda WalthoStourbridgeLab (minister)absent no
Michael WillsNorth SwindonLab (minister)absent no
David WinnickWalsall NorthLab (minister)absent no
Tony WrightCannock ChaseLab (minister)absent no
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)aye absent
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)aye absent
Mark OatenWinchesterLDem (front bench)aye absent
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)aye absent
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Norman BakerLewesLDem (front bench)absent aye
Andrew GeorgeSt IvesLDem (front bench)absent aye
John HemmingBirmingham, YardleyLDem (front bench)absent aye
Willie RennieDunfermline and West FifeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Dan RogersonNorth CornwallLDem (front bench)absent tellaye
John ThursoCaithness, Sutherland and Easter RossLDem (front bench)absent aye
Jennifer WillottCardiff CentralLDem (front bench)absent aye
Elfyn LlwydMeirionnydd Nant ConwyPC (front bench)absent aye
Hywel WilliamsCaernarfonPC (front bench)absent aye
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)absent aye
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)no aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 261 voted the same way, with 80 voting in opposite ways. There were 89 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 216 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
261
(261 + 80 + 0.2x216)
=
261
384.2
= 0.679 = 67.9 %.


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