Comparison of Divisions: House of Lords Reform — Support for bicameral Parliament — 7 Mar 2007 at 17:09 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

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Vote (a) : House of Lords Reform — Support for bicameral Parliament - 7 Mar 2007 at 17:09 - Division No. 65

The majority Ayes affirmed the principle of a bicameral parliament (i.e., that the House of Lords should be retained in some form)[1]. There then followed a series of votes on the make-up of the House of Lords, and the proportion of those sitting in it who should be elected, appointed, or there on hereditary grounds.

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  • [1] http://www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?id=2007-03-07b.1524.1

Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by party

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)aye absent
Tim BoswellDaventryConaye absent
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)aye absent
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)aye absent
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)aye absent
Derek ConwayOld Bexley and Sidcupwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenCon (front bench)aye absent
Nigel EvansRibble ValleyConaye absent
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)aye absent
John GreenwayRyedaleConaye absent
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)aye absent
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)aye absent
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)aye absent
Peter LuffMid WorcestershireCon (front bench)aye absent
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)aye absent
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)aye absent
Michael MatesEast HampshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)aye absent
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)aye absent
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)aye absent
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Con (front bench)aye absent
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)aye absent
Robert WalterNorth DorsetConaye absent
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark FieldCities of London and WestminsterConno aye
Christopher ChopeChristchurchCon (front bench)absent aye
David DaviesMonmouthCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael FallonSevenoaksCon (front bench)absent aye
David GaukeSouth West HertfordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Nick GibbBognor Regis and LittlehamptonCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael GoveSurrey HeathCon (front bench)absent aye
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)absent aye
Adam HollowayGraveshamCon (front bench)absent aye
John HowellHenleyConabsent aye
Eleanor LaingEpping ForestCon (front bench)absent aye
James PaiceSouth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael SpicerWest WorcestershireCon (front bench)absent aye
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichConabsent aye
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)absent aye
Nigel DoddsBelfast NorthDUP (front bench)absent aye
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)absent aye
William McCreaSouth AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPabsent aye
Sammy WilsonEast AntrimDUP (front bench)absent aye
Dai DaviesBlaenau GwentIndependentno aye
Andrew PellingCroydon Centralwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)absent aye
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentabsent aye
Clare ShortBirmingham, Ladywoodwhilst Independent Labouraye absent
Nick AingerCarmarthen West and South PembrokeshireLab (minister)aye no
Douglas AlexanderPaisley and Renfrewshire SouthLab (minister)aye no
Graham AllenNottingham NorthLabaye no
Hilary ArmstrongNorth West DurhamLab (minister)aye no
Ian AustinDudley NorthLab (minister)aye no
Edward BallsNormantonLab (minister)aye no
Gordon BanksOchil and South PerthshireLab (minister)aye no
Hugh BayleyCity of YorkLab (minister)aye no
Stuart BellMiddlesbroughLab (minister)aye no
Roger BerryKingswoodLab (minister)aye no
Clive BettsSheffield, AttercliffeLab (minister)aye no
Liz BlackmanErewashLab (minister)aye no
Ben BradshawExeterLab (minister)aye no
Kevin BrennanCardiff WestLab (minister)aye no
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)aye no
Des BrowneKilmarnock and LoudounLab (minister)aye no
Chris BryantRhonddaLabaye no
Andy BurnhamLeighLab (minister)aye no
Dawn ButlerBrent SouthLab (minister)aye no
Liam ByrneBirmingham, Hodge HillLab (minister)aye no
Colin ChallenMorley and RothwellLab (minister)aye no
Ben ChapmanWirral SouthLab (minister)aye no
David ChaytorBury NorthLab (minister)aye no
Paul ClarkGillinghamLab (minister)aye no
David ClellandTyne BridgeLab (minister)aye no
Ann ClwydCynon ValleyLab (minister)aye no
Vernon CoakerGedlingLab (minister)aye no
Yvette CooperPontefract and CastlefordLab (minister)aye no
Jim CousinsNewcastle upon Tyne CentralLab (minister)aye no
Mary CreaghWakefieldLab (minister)aye no
Ann CryerKeighleyLab (minister)aye no
Alistair DarlingEdinburgh South WestLab (minister)aye no
Wayne DavidCaerphillyLab (minister)aye no
John DenhamSouthampton, ItchenLab (minister)aye no
Parmjit DhandaGloucesterLab (minister)aye no
David DrewStroudLab (minister)aye no
Angela EagleWallaseyLab (minister)aye no
Maria EagleLiverpool, GarstonLab (minister)aye no
Louise EllmanLiverpool, RiversideLab (minister)aye no
Jim FitzpatrickPoplar and Canning TownLab (minister)aye no
Barbara FollettStevenageLab (minister)aye no
Michael Jabez FosterHastings and RyeLab (minister)aye no
Hywel FrancisAberavonLab (minister)aye no
Bruce GeorgeWalsall SouthLabaye no
Paul GogginsWythenshawe and Sale EastLab (minister)aye no
Helen GoodmanBishop AucklandLab (minister)aye no
John GroganSelbyLab (minister)aye no
Peter HainNeathLab (minister)aye no
Harriet HarmanCamberwell and PeckhamLab (minister)aye no
Tom HarrisGlasgow SouthLab (minister)aye no
John HealeyWentworthLab (minister)aye no
John HeppellNottingham EastLab (minister)aye no
Patricia HewittLeicester WestLab (minister)aye no
Sharon HodgsonGateshead East and Washington WestLab (minister)aye no
John HuttonBarrow and FurnessLab (minister)aye no
Brian IddonBolton South EastLab (minister)aye no
Huw Irranca-DaviesOgmoreLab (minister)aye no
Tessa JowellDulwich and West NorwoodLab (minister)aye no
Sally KeebleNorthampton NorthLab (minister)aye no
Ruth KellyBolton WestLab (minister)aye no
Sadiq KhanTootingLab (minister)aye no
Jim KnightSouth DorsetLab (minister)aye no
David LammyTottenhamLab (minister)aye no
Mark LazarowiczEdinburgh North and LeithLab (minister)aye no
Tom LevittHigh PeakLab (minister)aye no
Andrew LoveEdmontonLab (minister)aye no
Fiona MactaggartSloughLab (minister)aye no
Shahid MalikDewsburyLab (minister)aye no
Thomas McAvoyRutherglen and Hamilton WestLab (minister)aye no
Kerry McCarthyBristol EastLab (minister)aye no
Sarah McCarthy-FryPortsmouth NorthLab (minister)aye no
Ian McCartneyMakerfieldLab (minister)aye no
Pat McFaddenWolverhampton South EastLab (minister)aye no
Ann McKechinGlasgow NorthLab (minister)aye no
Gillian MerronLincolnLab (minister)aye no
Alun MichaelCardiff South and PenarthLabaye no
Alan MilburnDarlingtonLabaye no
Laura MoffattCrawleyLab (minister)aye no
Madeleine MoonBridgendLab (minister)aye no
Elliot MorleyScunthorpeLabaye no
Chris MullinSunderland SouthLab (minister)aye no
Meg MunnSheffield, HeeleyLab (minister)aye no
Denis MurphyWansbeckLab (minister)aye no
Jim MurphyEast RenfrewshireLab (minister)aye no
Paul MurphyTorfaenLab (minister)aye no
Bill OlnerNuneatonLab (minister)aye no
James PlaskittWarwick and LeamingtonLab (minister)aye no
Gordon PrenticePendleLab (minister)aye no
Gwyn ProsserDoverLab (minister)aye no
James PurnellStalybridge and HydeLab (minister)aye no
Geoffrey RobinsonCoventry North WestLabaye no
Chris RuaneVale of ClwydLab (minister)aye no
Joan RuddockLewisham, DeptfordLab (minister)aye no
Christine RussellCity of ChesterLab (minister)aye no
Jonathan R ShawChatham and AylesfordLab (minister)tellaye no
Angela SmithSheffield, HillsboroughLab (minister)aye no
Jacqui SmithRedditchLab (minister)aye no
Peter SoulsbyLeicester SouthLab (minister)aye no
Phyllis StarkeyMilton Keynes South WestLab (minister)aye no
Jack StrawBlackburnLab (minister)aye no
Gareth ThomasHarrow WestLab (minister)aye no
Emily ThornberryIslington South and FinsburyLab (minister)aye no
Stephen TimmsEast HamLab (minister)aye no
Mark ToddSouth DerbyshireLab (minister)aye no
Alan WhiteheadSouthampton, TestLab (minister)aye no
Malcolm WicksCroydon NorthLab (minister)aye no
Alan WilliamsSwansea WestLab (minister)aye no
Michael WillsNorth SwindonLabaye no
David WinnickWalsall NorthLab (minister)aye no
David WrightTelfordLab (minister)aye no
Iain WrightHartlepoolLab (minister)aye no
Tony WrightCannock ChaseLab (minister)aye no
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)aye both
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)aye absent
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)aye absent
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)aye absent
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)aye absent
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLab (minister)aye absent
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLabaye absent
Gwyneth DunwoodyCrewe and NantwichLab (minister)aye absent
Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)aye absent
Paul FlynnNewport WestLab (minister)aye absent
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)aye absent
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)aye absent
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)aye absent
Margaret HodgeBarkingLab (minister)aye absent
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)aye absent
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Piara S KhabraEaling, SouthallLab (minister)aye absent
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Martin LintonBatterseaLab (minister)aye absent
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLabaye absent
Khalid MahmoodBirmingham, Perry BarrLabaye absent
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)aye absent
Chris McCaffertyCalder ValleyLabaye absent
Anne McGuireStirlingLab (minister)aye absent
Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLabaye absent
David MilibandSouth ShieldsLab (minister)aye absent
Ed MilibandDoncaster NorthLab (minister)aye absent
Austin MitchellGreat GrimsbyLab (minister)aye absent
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)aye absent
John PrescottKingston upon Hull EastLab (minister)aye absent
Bill RammellHarlowLab (minister)aye absent
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)aye absent
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)aye absent
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLab (minister)aye absent
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLabaye absent
Paddy TippingSherwoodLab (minister)aye absent
Neil TurnerWiganLab (minister)aye absent
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)aye absent
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)no aye
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)no aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)no aye
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)no aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLab (minister)no aye
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)no aye
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabno aye
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabno aye
Keith VazLeicester EastLabno aye
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)no absent
Colin BurgonElmetLabno absent
Stephen ByersNorth TynesideLabno absent
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLab (minister)no absent
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)no absent
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)no absent
Jon CruddasDagenhamLabno absent
Jim DobbinHeywood and MiddletonLab (minister)no absent
Bill EtheringtonSunderland NorthLabno absent
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)no absent
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLabno absent
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLabno absent
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)no absent
Doug HendersonNewcastle upon Tyne NorthLabno absent
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)no absent
Jimmy HoodLanark and Hamilton EastLab (minister)no absent
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)no absent
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)no absent
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)no absent
Lynne JonesBirmingham, Selly OakLab (minister)no absent
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLabno absent
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLab (minister)no absent
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)no absent
David MarshallGlasgow EastLab (minister)no absent
Alan MealeMansfieldLab (minister)no absent
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)no absent
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)no absent
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)no absent
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLab (minister)no absent
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)no absent
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)no absent
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLabno absent
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Labno absent
Betty WilliamsConwyLabno absent
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)no absent
Charlotte AtkinsStaffordshire MoorlandsLab (minister)absent no
Vera BairdRedcarLab (minister)absent no
Joe BentonBootleLab (minister)absent no
Roberta Blackman-WoodsCity of DurhamLab (minister)absent no
Bob BlizzardWaveneyLab (minister)absent no
David BlunkettSheffield, BrightsideLababsent no
Quentin DaviesGrantham and Stamfordwhilst Lab (front bench)absent no
Barry GardinerBrent NorthLab (minister)absent no
Nigel GriffithsEdinburgh SouthLab (minister)absent no
Stephen HesfordWirral WestLab (minister)absent no
Phil HopeCorbyLab (minister)absent no
Kim HowellsPontypriddLab (minister)absent no
Beverley HughesStretford and UrmstonLab (minister)absent no
Alan JohnsonKingston upon Hull West and HessleLab (minister)absent no
Gerald KaufmanManchester, GortonLab (minister)absent no
Margaret MoranLuton SouthLab (minister)absent no
Jessica MordenNewport EastLab (minister)absent no
Dan NorrisWansdykeLab (minister)absent no
Lindsay RoyGlenrothesLababsent no
Virendra SharmaEaling, SouthallLababsent no
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLababsent no
Don TouhigIslwynLab (minister)absent no
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLababsent no
Phil WoolasOldham East and SaddleworthLab (minister)absent no
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)aye absent
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)aye absent
Charles KennedyRoss, Skye and LochaberLDemaye absent
Mark OatenWinchesterLDemaye absent
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)no absent
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)both absent
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)absent aye
Angus RobertsonMoraySNP (front bench)no aye
Michael WeirAngusSNP (front bench)no aye
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)no aye
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)no absent
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)no absent
Alex SalmondBanff and BuchanSNP (front bench)no absent
John MasonGlasgow EastSNPabsent aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 342 voted the same way, with 128 voting in opposite ways. There were 26 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 150 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
342
(342 + 128 + 0.2x150)
=
342
500
= 0.684 = 68.4 %.


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