Comparison of Divisions: Points of Order — Emergency Debate — Pre-Budget Report — 26 Nov 2008 at 16:17 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

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Vote (a) (unedited): Points of Order — Emergency Debate — Pre-Budget Report - 26 Nov 2008 at 16:17 - Division No. 339

I beg to move,

That this House has considered the matter of the Pre-Budget Report.

Question put, That the Question be now put:-

The House divided: Ayes 67, Noes 422.

Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by constituency

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Gerald HowarthAldershotCon (front bench)absent aye
Richard ShepherdAldridge-BrownhillsCon (front bench)absent aye
Graham BradyAltrincham and Sale WestCon (front bench)no aye
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)no absent
Nick HerbertArundel and South DownsCon (front bench)no aye
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)no absent
Damian GreenAshfordCon (front bench)no aye
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)no absent
David LidingtonAylesburyCon (front bench)no aye
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)no absent
Tony BaldryBanburyConno aye
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)no absent
Maria MillerBasingstokeCon (front bench)no aye
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)no absent
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabno aye
Martin LintonBatterseaLab (minister)no absent
Dominic GrieveBeaconsfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
Jacqui LaitBeckenhamCon (front bench)no aye
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)no absent
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPabsent aye
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)absent aye
Alan BeithBerwick-upon-TweedLDem (front bench)absent aye
Graham StuartBeverley and HoldernessCon (front bench)both aye
Gregory BarkerBexhill and BattleCon (front bench)no aye
David EvennettBexleyheath and CrayfordCon (front bench)no aye
John BaronBillericayCon (front bench)absent aye
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)no absent
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)no absent
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLabno absent
Andrew RobathanBlabyCon (front bench)no aye
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)no aye
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabno aye
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLabno absent
Nick GibbBognor Regis and LittlehamptonCon (front bench)no aye
Joe BentonBootleLab (minister)absent no
Mark SimmondsBoston and SkegnessCon (front bench)no aye
David TredinnickBosworthConno aye
Tobias EllwoodBournemouth EastCon (front bench)no aye
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)no absent
Andrew MacKayBracknellCon (front bench)no aye
Terry RooneyBradford NorthLab (minister)absent no
Gerry SutcliffeBradford SouthLab (minister)absent no
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)no absent
Brooks NewmarkBraintreeCon (front bench)no aye
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)tellaye absent
Ann KeenBrentford and IsleworthLab (minister)absent no
Eric PicklesBrentwood and OngarCon (front bench)absent aye
Ian Liddell-GraingerBridgwaterCon (front bench)absent aye
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)absent aye
Desmond TurnerBrighton, KemptownLab (minister)absent no
Bob NeillBromley and ChislehurstCon (front bench)no aye
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)no absent
Charles WalkerBroxbourneCon (front bench)no aye
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)no aye
John BercowBuckinghamwhilst Con (front bench)no aye
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)no absent
David RuffleyBury St EdmundsCon (front bench)no aye
Julian BrazierCanterburyCon (front bench)no aye
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)no aye
Alun MichaelCardiff South and PenarthLab (minister)absent no
Eric MartlewCarlisleLab (minister)absent no
Tom BrakeCarshalton and WallingtonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)no aye
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)absent aye
Dame Cheryl GillanChesham and AmershamCon (front bench)no aye
Andrew TyrieChichesterCon (front bench)no aye
Iain Duncan SmithChingford and Woodford GreenConno aye
Theresa VilliersChipping BarnetCon (front bench)no aye
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)no absent
Christopher ChopeChristchurchCon (front bench)no aye
Mark FieldCities of London and WestminsterCon (front bench)no aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLabno aye
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)no absent
David JonesClwyd WestCon (front bench)no aye
Ann WintertonCongletonCon (front bench)no aye
Betty WilliamsConwyLabno absent
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)no absent
Geoffrey Clifton-BrownCotswoldCon (front bench)absent aye
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichCon (front bench)no aye
Richard OttawayCroydon SouthCon (front bench)absent aye
Rosemary McKennaCumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch EastLab (minister)absent no
Jon CruddasDagenhamLabno absent
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)no absent
Michael AncramDevizesCon (front bench)no aye
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)no absent
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)no aye
Andrew SlaughterEaling, Acton and Shepherd's BushLab (minister)absent no
Hugo SwireEast DevonConno aye
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Michael MatesEast HampshireCon (front bench)no absent
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)absent aye
Peter AinsworthEast SurreyCon (front bench)no aye
Tim LoughtonEast Worthing and ShorehamCon (front bench)no aye
Greg KnightEast YorkshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Nigel WatersonEastbourneCon (front bench)absent aye
Ian StewartEcclesLab (minister)absent no
Stephen O'BrienEddisburyCon (front bench)no aye
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)no absent
Colin BurgonElmetLabno absent
David BurrowesEnfield, SouthgateCon (front bench)absent aye
Eleanor LaingEpping ForestCon (front bench)no aye
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)absent aye
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)no absent
Ian TaylorEsher and WaltonConno aye
Ben BradshawExeterLab (minister)absent no
Mark HobanFarehamCon (front bench)no aye
Hugh RobertsonFaversham and Mid KentCon (front bench)no aye
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLabno absent
Michael HowardFolkestone and HytheConno aye
Mark HarperForest of DeanCon (front bench)no aye
Mark DurkanFoyleSDLP (front bench)no absent
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)no absent
Edward LeighGainsboroughCon (front bench)no aye
Mohammad SarwarGlasgow CentralLab (minister)absent no
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLabno absent
Peter ViggersGosportCon (front bench)no aye
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)no absent
Adam HollowayGraveshamCon (front bench)no aye
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)no absent
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabno aye
Anne MiltonGuildfordCon (front bench)no aye
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLababsent aye
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)no absent
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)absent aye
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenConno absent
Greg HandsHammersmith and FulhamCon (front bench)no aye
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLababsent aye
Edward GarnierHarboroughCon (front bench)no aye
Gareth ThomasHarrow WestLab (minister)absent no
Douglas CarswellHarwichCon (front bench)no aye
David WillettsHavantCon (front bench)no aye
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabno aye
Mike PenningHemel HempsteadCon (front bench)absent aye
Jon TrickettHemsworthLab (minister)absent no
Andrew DismoreHendonLab (minister)absent no
John HowellHenleyCon (front bench)no aye
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)aye absent
Mark PriskHertford and StortfordCon (front bench)no aye
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)no absent
Peter AtkinsonHexhamCon (front bench)no aye
James BrokenshireHornchurchCon (front bench)no aye
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)no absent
Jonathan DjanoglyHuntingdonCon (front bench)no aye
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)no absent
Lee ScottIlford NorthCon (front bench)no aye
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)no absent
Andrew TurnerIsle of WightCon (front bench)no aye
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabno aye
Ann CryerKeighleyLab (minister)absent no
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaConabsent aye
Philip HolloboneKetteringCon (front bench)absent aye
Roger BerryKingswoodLab (minister)absent no
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)absent no
George HowarthKnowsley North and Sefton EastLab (minister)absent no
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)no absent
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)absent aye
Ben WallaceLancaster and WyreCon (front bench)no aye
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)no absent
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)no absent
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)no absent
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)no aye
Bill WigginLeominsterCon (front bench)no aye
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)no absent
Joan RuddockLewisham, DeptfordLab (minister)absent no
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)no aye
Michael FabricantLichfieldCon (front bench)no aye
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLabno absent
Jane KennedyLiverpool, WavertreeLab (minister)absent no
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentno aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)no aye
Peter TapsellLouth and HorncastleConno aye
Philip DunneLudlowCon (front bench)no aye
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)no aye
Nicholas WintertonMacclesfieldCon (front bench)no aye
Theresa MayMaidenheadCon (front bench)no aye
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConabsent aye
John WhittingdaleMaldon and East ChelmsfordCon (front bench)no aye
Graham StringerManchester, BlackleyLab (minister)absent no
Gerald KaufmanManchester, GortonLab (minister)absent no
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLababsent aye
Elfyn LlwydMeirionnydd Nant ConwyPC (front bench)absent aye
Caroline SpelmanMeridenCon (front bench)no aye
Nadine DorriesMid BedfordshireCon (front bench)no aye
Keith SimpsonMid NorfolkCon (front bench)no aye
Nicholas SoamesMid SussexCon (front bench)no aye
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLab (minister)no absent
Paul BeresfordMole ValleyCon (front bench)no aye
David DaviesMonmouthCon (front bench)no aye
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDemaye absent
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLab (minister)absent no
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)aye absent
Peter HainNeathLababsent no
Julian LewisNew Forest EastCon (front bench)absent aye
Desmond SwayneNew Forest WestCon (front bench)no aye
Patrick MercerNewarkCon (front bench)no aye
Richard BenyonNewburyCon (front bench)no aye
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)no aye
Jessica MordenNewport EastLab (minister)absent no
Edward BallsNormantonLab (minister)absent no
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)no absent
Dan RogersonNorth CornwallLDem (front bench)absent tellaye
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)absent aye
Alistair BurtNorth East BedfordshireCon (front bench)no aye
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)no absent
Natascha EngelNorth East DerbyshireLababsent no
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)absent aye
James ArbuthnotNorth East HampshireCon (front bench)no aye
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
Mark LancasterNorth East Milton KeynesCon (front bench)absent aye
Bernard JenkinNorth EssexCon (front bench)absent aye
Norman LambNorth NorfolkLDem (front bench)absent aye
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)no absent
Roger GaleNorth ThanetCon (front bench)no aye
Shailesh VaraNorth West CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Hilary ArmstrongNorth West DurhamLababsent no
George YoungNorth West HampshireCon (front bench)no aye
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)no both
Henry BellinghamNorth West NorfolkCon (front bench)no aye
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)no absent
Sally KeebleNorthampton NorthLab (minister)absent no
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)no absent
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)no absent
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLabno absent
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabno aye
Derek ConwayOld Bexley and Sidcupwhilst Independent (front bench)no absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)aye absent
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)no absent
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabno aye
David MacleanPenrith and The BorderCon (front bench)absent aye
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)absent aye
Stewart JacksonPeterboroughCon (front bench)no aye
Alison SeabeckPlymouth, DevonportLababsent no
Linda GilroyPlymouth, SuttonLab (minister)absent no
Robert SymsPooleCon (front bench)no aye
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)aye absent
Stephen CrabbPreseli PembrokeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Paul TruswellPudseyLabno aye
Justine GreeningPutneyCon (front bench)no aye
Mark FrancoisRayleighCon (front bench)no aye
Rob WilsonReading EastCon (front bench)no aye
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)no absent
Vera BairdRedcarLab (minister)absent no
Jacqui SmithRedditchLab (minister)absent no
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)no absent
Crispin BluntReigateCon (front bench)no aye
William HagueRichmond (Yorks)Con (front bench)absent aye
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)aye absent
James DuddridgeRochford and Southend EastCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew RosindellRomfordCon (front bench)no aye
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLabno absent
Jeremy WrightRugby and KenilworthCon (front bench)no aye
Nick HurdRuislip - NorthwoodCon (front bench)absent aye
Philip HammondRunnymede and WeybridgeCon (front bench)no aye
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)no absent
Alan DuncanRutland and MeltonCon (front bench)no aye
Hazel BlearsSalfordLab (minister)absent no
Robert KeySalisburyCon (front bench)no aye
Robert GoodwillScarborough and WhitbyCon (front bench)no aye
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLab (minister)absent no
Michael FallonSevenoaksCon (front bench)no aye
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLabno absent
Meg MunnSheffield, HeeleyLababsent no
Philip DaviesShipleyConno aye
Daniel KawczynskiShrewsbury and AtchamCon (front bench)no aye
David CurrySkipton and RiponCon (front bench)no aye
Douglas HoggSleaford and North HykehamConabsent aye
Fiona MactaggartSloughLab (minister)absent no
Andrew LansleySouth CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
James PaiceSouth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
John HayesSouth Holland and The DeepingsCon (front bench)no aye
Richard BaconSouth NorfolkCon (front bench)no aye
Patrick CormackSouth StaffordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)absent aye
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLabno absent
Andrew SelousSouth West BedfordshireCon (front bench)no aye
Gary StreeterSouth West DevonCon (front bench)no aye
David GaukeSouth West HertfordshireCon (front bench)no aye
Christopher FraserSouth West NorfolkCon (front bench)no aye
Jeremy HuntSouth West SurreyCon (front bench)no aye
Sir David AmessSouthend WestCon (front bench)no aye
John PughSouthportLDem (front bench)absent aye
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)no absent
Anne MainSt AlbansCon (front bench)no aye
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)no absent
Andrew GeorgeSt IvesLDem (front bench)absent aye
Anne McGuireStirlingLabno absent
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLababsent aye
Bill CashStoneCon (front bench)absent aye
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)no absent
David DrewStroudLab (minister)absent no
John GummerSuffolk CoastalConabsent aye
Michael GoveSurrey HeathCon (front bench)no aye
Andrew MitchellSutton ColdfieldCon (front bench)no aye
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)no absent
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)no aye
Richard Younger-RossTeignbridgeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Laurence RobertsonTewkesburyCon (front bench)no aye
Mark PritchardThe WrekinCon (front bench)no aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)absent aye
Angela BrowningTiverton and HonitonCon (front bench)absent aye
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)no absent
Geoffrey CoxTorridge and West DevonCon (front bench)absent aye
Anthony SteenTotnesCon (front bench)no aye
David LammyTottenhamLab (minister)absent no
Matthew TaylorTruro and St AustellLDemabsent aye
Greg ClarkTunbridge WellsCon (front bench)no aye
Alan CampbellTynemouthLab (minister)absent no
Angela WatkinsonUpminsterCon (front bench)no aye
David SimpsonUpper BannDUP (front bench)aye absent
John RandallUxbridgeCon (front bench)no aye
John SmithVale of GlamorganLab (minister)absent no
Anne McIntoshVale of YorkCon (front bench)no aye
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)no aye
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)no aye
Denis MurphyWansbeckLab (minister)absent no
Ed VaizeyWantageCon (front bench)no aye
Charles HendryWealdenCon (front bench)no aye
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)no absent
Peter BoneWellingboroughCon (front bench)no aye
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)no absent
Grant ShappsWelwyn HatfieldCon (front bench)no aye
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)no absent
Simon BurnsWest ChelmsfordCon (front bench)no aye
Patrick McLoughlinWest DerbyshireCon (front bench)no aye
Oliver LetwinWest DorsetCon (front bench)no aye
Lyn BrownWest HamLab (minister)absent no
Richard SpringWest SuffolkCon (front bench)no aye
Michael SpicerWest WorcestershireCon (front bench)no aye
Andrew MurrisonWestburyCon (front bench)no aye
John PenroseWeston-Super-MareCon (front bench)no aye
Stephen HammondWimbledonCon (front bench)no aye
Adam AfriyieWindsorCon (front bench)no aye
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)absent aye
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)no absent
John RedwoodWokinghamConno aye
Liam FoxWoodspringCon (front bench)absent aye
Michael FosterWorcesterLab (minister)absent no
Peter BottomleyWorthing WestCon (front bench)no aye
Paul GoodmanWycombeCon (front bench)absent aye
Albert OwenYnys MônLab (minister)absent no

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 257 voted the same way, with 150 voting in opposite ways. There were 47 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 192 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
257
(257 + 150 + 0.2x192)
=
257
445.4
= 0.577 = 57.7 %.


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